IRC log of dwbp on 2015-09-18

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RRSAgent, make logs 351
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Zakim, this will be DWBP
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 18 September 2015
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present+
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RiccardoAlbertoni present+
12:59:07 [newtoncalegari]
present+ newtoncalegari
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present+ deirdrelee
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present+ RiccardoAlbertoni
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present+ MTCarrasco
13:00:11 [deirdrelee]
chair: deirdrelee
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scribe MTCarrasco
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present+ PeterWinstanley
13:00:28 [deirdrelee]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918
13:02:57 [phila]
-> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/3448439 Sao Paulo weather
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918
13:03:16 [phila]
phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150918 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9
13:03:24 [phila]
scribe: MTCarrasco
13:03:28 [phila]
present+ phila
13:03:33 [BernadetteLoscio]
present +BernadetteLoscio
13:03:39 [phila]
chair: Deirdre
13:03:48 [MTCarrasco]
TOPIC: Prelimenaries
13:03:50 [deirdrelee]
PROPOSED: As there was no agenda circulated previous to the meeting, accept issues closed and resolutions reached during last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11
13:04:02 [deirdrelee]
+1
13:04:07 [newtoncalegari]
+1
13:04:07 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
+1
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0+
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13:04:21 [phila]
anyone not happy?
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present+ antoine
13:04:33 [BernadetteLoscio]
i was not here in the last call :(
13:04:38 [deirdrelee]
RESOLVED: As there was no agenda circulated previous to the meeting, accept issues closed and resolutions reached during last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11
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PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11
13:04:52 [annette_g1]
present+ annette_g
13:04:56 [newtoncalegari]
+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
13:05:11 [deirdrelee]
RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-11
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present+ nandana
13:05:37 [laufer]
present+ laufer
13:06:05 [deirdrelee]
Topic:
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TOPIC: Process for publication
13:06:34 [deirdrelee]
phila: last-call and candidate recommendation are now the same
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phila: examplain the details
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MTCarrasco: we need to record the details of what phila is describing
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phila: aim for last call candiate rec
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present +BernadetteLoscio
13:08:09 [MTCarrasco]
phila: meeting with the director, editor, etc
13:08:36 [deirdrelee]
phila: once the editors are happy with final working draft, they propose last call
13:09:04 [deirdrelee]
..they then have meeting with w3c directors, chairs, editors
13:09:11 [MTCarrasco]
phila: the director is concerned with the form not the content
13:09:29 [deirdrelee]
..direcotr will ask if all issues have been addressed, all comments have been addressed, those that comment are happy wth resolution, etc
13:09:50 [MTCarrasco]
phila: only then it can go to candidate recommendation
13:10:00 [SumitPurohit]
present+ SumitPurohit
13:10:16 [MTCarrasco]
phila: aftern all this it can go to propose rec
13:10:20 [deirdrelee]
.. only then will they agree to go to last call. to go on last call there has to be a criteria agreed with the director so they know when group's work is done
13:11:04 [deirdrelee]
.. once directtor agrees with criteria of last call, then the document goes to candidate recommendation
13:11:10 [SumitPurohit]
+q
13:11:21 [MTCarrasco]
phila: the vocabularies will be notes the process do not apply
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..then the group addresses the criteria, the director takes over then, an dthe membership will vote to go to recommendation
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SumitPurohit: question to phila
13:12:33 [deirdrelee]
..bp doc criteria could be something like to find two implemenations of each bp
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ack SumitPurohit
13:13:09 [deirdrelee]
phila: this only applies to bp doc, unless we want to publish dqv and duv as recommendations too
13:13:11 [MTCarrasco]
phila: recommendation more strict - two independent implemenations
13:13:23 [BernadetteLoscio_]
q+
13:13:41 [MTCarrasco]
phila: BP less strict
13:14:31 [phila]
The process is described in detail at http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#Reports
13:14:42 [annette_g1]
last call and candidate rec are the same
13:14:42 [annette_g1]
to go to candidate rec requires
13:14:42 [annette_g1]
phone call w/dir, editors, chairs, Phil
13:14:42 [annette_g1]
we've got widespread review
13:14:43 [annette_g1]
we're ready for candidate rec phase
13:14:43 [annette_g1]
this is our exit criteria
13:14:43 [annette_g1]
usually Philipe l'hegare takes director's place
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have you answered all the comments satisfactorily
13:14:44 [annette_g1]
when you go to CR, you state your criteria for ending candidate rec
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e.g., every BP has been implemented/followed by at least 2 independent people
13:14:45 [annette_g1]
when done, go to proposed rec, membership votes
13:14:45 [annette_g1]
13:14:45 [annette_g1]
we're expecting the vocabs to be notes, so only BP doc needs all this.
13:14:50 [phila]
Notes are less strict than Recommendations. The BP doc is expected to be a Rec, the vocabs are not
13:15:23 [deirdrelee]
ack BernadetteLoscio_
13:15:54 [annette_g1]
BernadetteLoscio_: we made a proposal for a timetable, not sure how long it will take for each step
13:16:06 [BernadetteLoscio_]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_timetable
13:16:26 [MTCarrasco]
phila: the last call was minimun three weeks
13:16:34 [annette_g1]
phila: last call used to be 3 weeks, now ?? probably at least 4 weeks, um....
13:17:30 [annette_g1]
… in practical terms, what you're saying is we're not going to change this doc until you tell us to. The period should not be less than 4 weeks. In fact, it will take that long to gather all the implementation info.
13:17:47 [BernadetteLoscio_]
q+
13:18:00 [deirdrelee]
ack BernadetteLoscio_
13:18:07 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: it could be several months
13:18:13 [annette_g1]
BernadetteLoscio_: which period are you talking about?
13:18:16 [nandana]
must specify the deadline for further comments, which must be at least four weeks after publication, and should be longer for complex documents,. -> http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#revised-cr
13:19:29 [annette_g1]
phila: the point where the group says "we think we have it", this is the candidate rec. There's no defined timeline between now and when you go into CR.
13:19:32 [MTCarrasco]
phila: this doc represents the best we can do and there is not a fix time for the period gathering more information
13:19:33 [deirdrelee]
q?
13:19:40 [PeterWinstanley_]
q+
13:19:53 [annette_g1]
BernadetteLoscio_: we should review the dates together at the F2F
13:20:44 [annette_g1]
BernadetteLoscio_: first we need more feedback on the doc, then we can start the implementations
13:21:21 [annette_g1]
phila: the group runs out of time in June next year
13:21:42 [annette_g1]
… March would be the absolute latest to go to CR
13:22:01 [MTCarrasco]
phila: March is the lastest - try to have it ready by the end of the year of January
13:22:07 [annette_g1]
January would be better, so we can work out substantive changes
13:22:30 [MTCarrasco]
phile: meaningfull changes one has to go back to draft
13:22:40 [annette_g1]
phila: CR may or may not be a one-time thing.
13:23:08 [annette_g1]
phila: we should try to get to CR before Christmas
13:23:19 [gatemezi]
s/phile/phila
13:23:41 [annette_g1]
BernadetteLoscio_: do we need to wait for people to implement, or do we all do this?
13:23:51 [annette_g1]
phila: we all do it as a community
13:23:54 [phila]
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I-pGDOotOR4adCHwnayX6qYqme1K-UUHQgxuADNPQA0/viewform?c=0&w=1
13:24:21 [PeterWinstanley_]
q-
13:24:37 [deirdrelee]
q+
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13:24:42 [annette_g1]
phila: This goodle form is SharePSI's implementation form. It inlcudes a bunch of our stuff at the end, so that's a start for us.
13:24:49 [adler1]
sorry, that is not a real implementation
13:24:50 [yaso]
present+ yaso
13:25:00 [MTCarrasco]
phila: if lots of people do the form is evidence
13:25:09 [adler1]
theoretical implementations do not make a difference in the world
13:25:11 [gatemezi]
That's just an evaluation form..
13:25:12 [annette_g1]
that is a super long form!!
13:25:47 [MTCarrasco]
phila: if it has been already implemented, the meeting takes one minute
13:25:49 [yaso]
A unicorn implementation!
13:25:56 [adler1]
q+
13:26:09 [annette_g1]
phila: we'll need to build a table that shows the sets of BPs that each implementer implemented
13:26:31 [adler1]
I can wait to discuss this next week
13:26:37 [adler1]
q-
13:26:45 [newtoncalegari]
not all of "implementers" will implement each one of the BPs, is that right?
13:26:56 [deirdrelee]
ack deirdrelee
13:26:56 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: is there a way to collect names?
13:27:03 [annette_g1]
phila: yes
13:27:05 [MTCarrasco]
TOPIC: F2F
13:27:09 [deirdrelee]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo
13:27:15 [adler1]
q+
13:27:19 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: agenda for the F2F
13:27:20 [adler1]
how safe is Sao Paolo?
13:27:46 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: list with the different types of attendes
13:27:53 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: add your name to the list to say if you'll be there, be there remotely, etc.
13:28:11 [gatemezi]
How "safe"?
13:28:38 [yaso]
q+
13:28:44 [yaso]
q+
13:28:50 [newtoncalegari]
Yaso is going to answer his question
13:29:13 [deirdrelee]
ack adler1
13:29:18 [deirdrelee]
q?
13:29:22 [deirdrelee]
ack adler
13:29:30 [annette_g1]
newtoncalegari: Sao Paolo is not a dangerous place, though its' best not to be wandering alone at midnight downtown.
13:29:32 [MTCarrasco]
newtoncalegari: safe but be careful
13:29:48 [annette_g1]
adler1: some people have warned him about showing camera, touristy stuff
13:29:57 [annette_g1]
newtoncalegari: yes, you have to be careful about that
13:30:22 [annette_g1]
adler1: be careful which taxis you take, don't take out a cell phone and use it for a map
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13:30:54 [deirdrelee]
q?
13:30:58 [yaso]
q-
13:31:05 [annette_g1]
newtoncalegari: I think you don't have a problem with the cell phone as a map, just be aware at midnight. It's okay to bring a camera; I've never had a problem with taxis in SP
13:31:11 [MTCarrasco]
newtoncalegari: take the camera - not problem -be ware and be carefuk
13:31:45 [phila]
Start time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=blah&iso=20150924T08&p1=233&ah=8
13:31:58 [phila]
That's 8am SP time
13:32:09 [SumitPurohit]
SumitPurohit: and ericstephan at pacific time
13:32:12 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: time difference: SP is notable
13:32:21 [yaso]
I would start at 9
13:32:21 [annette_g1]
.. is it a problem for anyone?
13:32:27 [ericstephan]
(eric s - currently reading through IRC and flying over the Rocky Mountains) I will attempt to remotely attend as much as possible but I am only committing to the DUV session.
13:33:10 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: DUV at an appropriate time for Eric
13:33:14 [annette_g1]
I think it's okay
13:33:34 [annette_g1]
* hit return, Phil
13:33:38 [yaso]
q+
13:34:12 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: In Brasil starting early and the European not leaving too late
13:34:14 [annette_g1]
yaso: inaudible
13:34:22 [Caroline_]
Here there are some tips about São Paulo and places to visit in Engilsh http://www.fiquemaisumdia.com.br/
13:34:50 [MTCarrasco]
yaso: suggest starting at 9:00
13:35:20 [annette_g1]
yaso: I would suggest we start at 9 because of traffic
13:35:32 [laufer]
we can go by metro and train to the event... I think is ok...
13:35:40 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: only problem is that it will get very late for people elsewhere
13:35:59 [ericstephan]
SumitPurohit: we could attend DUV via a conference room if you'd prefer...
13:36:14 [MTCarrasco]
yaso: about 50 minutes to the conference place
13:36:20 [annette_g1]
yaso: the hotel is 50 minutes away from the meeting
13:36:30 [adler1]
I am staying at the hilton
13:36:33 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: remote people?
13:36:45 [adler1]
are we not meeting at the conference venue?
13:36:50 [antoine]
q+
13:36:50 [annette_g1]
It depends how late it goes
13:36:55 [newtoncalegari]
it's 50 minutes to the meeting place... and 5 minutes to the conference place
13:37:11 [adler1]
what is the address of the meeting place
13:37:14 [deirdrelee]
ack yaso
13:37:21 [laufer]
In our last F2F we have to be awake very early too... I do not see a problem in waking up at 6...
13:37:22 [deirdrelee]
ack antoine
13:37:47 [annette_g1]
antoine: pretty sure he can't do late on a Friday
13:37:50 [MTCarrasco]
antoine: not ideal ... it is as good as it can get
13:37:50 [yaso]
Guys
13:37:54 [yaso]
q+
13:38:17 [laufer]
or meeting in Austin begun 7 a.m.
13:38:36 [adler1]
what is the address of the meeting place?
13:38:49 [MTCarrasco]
yaso: cannot hear
13:39:08 [yaso]
Newton is going to help you to come to nic.br
13:39:26 [yaso]
ok to start at 8 am, Newton is going to help
13:39:33 [phila]
q?
13:39:38 [yaso]
q-
13:39:43 [phila]
q+ to talk about WebEx
13:40:16 [MTCarrasco]
phila: it is a different WebEx
13:40:25 [adler1]
I need the address info
13:40:42 [MTCarrasco]
phila: it is in the agenda
13:41:12 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: goes over agenda for the F2F
13:41:14 [newtoncalegari]
Steve: the NIC.br address Av. das Nações Unidas, 11541, 7th floor, 04578-000 - São Paulo - SP
13:41:28 [newtoncalegari]
@adler1 the NIC.br address Av. das Nações Unidas, 11541, 7th floor, 04578-000 - São Paulo - SP
13:41:41 [deirdrelee]
q?
13:41:44 [deirdrelee]
ack phila
13:41:44 [Zakim]
phila, you wanted to talk about WebEx
13:41:48 [BernadetteLoscio_]
q+
13:41:49 [SumitPurohit]
q
13:41:49 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: 4 session
13:41:56 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: what do people think?
13:42:16 [MTCarrasco]
BernadetteLoscio_: the BP doc more time
13:42:29 [MTCarrasco]
BernadetteLoscio_: as going to the final version
13:42:38 [deirdrelee]
ack BernadetteLoscio_
13:42:42 [BernadetteLoscio_]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
13:42:55 [MTCarrasco]
BernadetteLoscio_: sent message with the proposed agenda
13:43:23 [MTCarrasco]
BernadetteLoscio_: do not if it can cover all - have a try
13:44:06 [MTCarrasco]
SumitPurohit: cannot hear ( can you self-scribe?)
13:44:27 [BernadetteLoscio_]
i think so!
13:44:34 [deirdrelee]
3 hrs per vocab and 6 hrs for bp doc
13:44:46 [SumitPurohit]
SumitPurohit: We should have 3 sessions of DQV and DUV and 6 sessions for BP
13:45:02 [MTCarrasco]
TOPIC: BP doc
13:45:13 [BernadetteLoscio_]
q+
13:45:35 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: time together is very valuable - what do you want to achive?
13:45:41 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: it's important for editors to have lists of issues, acitons, questions in advance
13:46:02 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: conversation about the maturity level
13:46:32 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: we need to keep a strict timeframe for open discussions
13:46:35 [deirdrelee]
ack BernadetteLoscio_
13:46:50 [BernadetteLoscio_]
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DUV
13:47:07 [annette_g1]
BernadetteLoscio_: we have a similar agenda for DUV, sent by mail.
13:47:27 [annette_g1]
BernadetteLoscio_: for DUV, we want to close some issues before the F2F.
13:47:55 [annette_g1]
BernadetteLoscio_: there is a table of open issues. please take a look and see what can be closed.
13:48:07 [MTCarrasco]
BernadetteLoscio_: some are old
13:48:24 [MTCarrasco]
BernadetteLoscio_: try to close some
13:48:26 [annette_g1]
BernadetteLoscio_: it's… on the wiki, on the agenda page
13:48:53 [Caroline_]
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* hi Caroline!
13:49:25 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: important to clean up to focus
13:50:09 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: people in charge to decide on the issues by email
13:50:52 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: these documents a continously changing - do the homework
13:51:08 [annette_g1]
deirdrelee: we should all take an hour or so to review the docs ahead of the F2F
13:52:07 [deirdrelee]
q?
13:52:59 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: any thing about the logistics of the meeting? - from the Brasil team
13:53:17 [newtoncalegari]
http://www.fiquemaisumdia.com.br/
13:53:26 [annette_g1]
newtoncalegari: getting to NIC.br, I can get a cab and go to the hotel to pick up
13:53:50 [yaso]
Aston whatever
13:53:50 [MTCarrasco]
newtoncalegari: general tips on Sao Paulo - Caroline put-up a web site
13:54:37 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: coffe breaks not in the agenda - we play by ear
13:54:37 [annette_g1]
newtoncalegari: will look up times for breakfast
13:54:58 [MTCarrasco]
deirdrelee: languages of the conference
13:55:12 [annette_g1]
newtoncalegari: both
13:55:29 [newtoncalegari]
https://www.google.com.br/maps/place/Av.+das+Na%C3%A7%C3%B5es+Unidas,+11541+-+Cidade+Mon%C3%A7%C3%B5es,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+SP/@-23.6013762,-46.6951745,17.29z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x94ce50cd25c87a7d:0xaaeaef480109402e?hl=pt-BR
13:55:38 [newtoncalegari]
Nic.br address in the Map
13:55:43 [annette_g1]
* I love the brocure, will review it to get in the mood remotely *
13:55:51 [laufer]
see you in sp...
13:55:51 [MTCarrasco]
Bye
13:55:55 [laufer]
bye all
13:55:55 [BernadetteLoscio_]
thanks!
13:55:56 [nandana]
bye
13:56:00 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
have a nice week end!
13:56:02 [SumitPurohit]
Thanks Everyone...Bye
13:56:07 [annette_g1]
bye!
13:56:11 [annette_g1]
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13:56:12 [gatemezi]
bye
13:56:14 [phila]
RRSAgent, make logs public
13:57:02 [phila]
scribe: annette_g1
13:58:50 [AdrianoC]
Bye!
14:13:21 [phila]
zakim, this is DWBP F2F https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa +1-617-324-0000 code 645 223 304
14:13:21 [Zakim]
got it, phila
14:13:30 [phila]
zakim, code?
14:13:30 [Zakim]
I have been told this is DWBP F2F https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa +1-617-324-0000 code 645 223 304
14:14:17 [phila]
zakim, save this conference description
14:14:17 [Zakim]
this conference description has been saved, phila
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