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12:54:59 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Steve Lee
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12:55:21 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
12:55:22 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ next weeks call times and dates
12:55:24 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ review actions, and timelines (help for
12:55:25 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ personlization questions
12:55:27 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Issue papers - GA
12:55:28 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Techniques - GA
12:55:30 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)agenda+ Other issue papers
12:55:31 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
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12:59:35 <Lisa_Seeman> password 643051337
12:59:39 <Lisa_Seeman> for the webex
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13:06:03 <ayelet_seeman> who's scribing?
13:08:33 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: ayelet_seeman
13:09:18 <ayelet_seeman> LS: the period of grace in which we could be late with out anyone saying anything about it is diminishing
13:09:44 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0009.html
13:09:46 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
13:09:48 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0009.html
13:10:05 <ayelet_seeman> ... . We still need Neil & Tony's work, as well as MaryJom's
13:10:19 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
13:10:21 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/multi-modal.html
13:10:47 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0008.html
13:13:53 <ayelet_seeman> JR: looked over the multi modal issue paper
13:14:02 <ayelet_seeman>  LS: was there anything missing from the gap analysis due to the issues arising in the paper?
13:14:14 <ayelet_seeman>  JR: would be simplest to add a link to the issue paper in the techniques document
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13:15:07 <ayelet_seeman> LS: what we did with the security issue paper is added a technique not to bar people from content they could access.
13:19:14 <ayelet_seeman> .... if people follow the already existing techniques, would they have enabled this
13:19:43 <ayelet_seeman> JR: to add section by section seems like too much work.
13:19:59 <ayelet_seeman> LS: most of multi modal is addressed nicely in WCAG 2.0. the question is if there is anything missing from WCAG 2.0 to enable this.
13:20:06 <ayelet_seeman>  JR: would need to look back at this.
13:20:18 <ayelet_seeman>  LS: from quick look, symbol sets are missing.
13:20:54 <ayelet_seeman> . JR: this wasn't part of the task.
13:21:15 <ayelet_seeman>  LS: the gap analysis goes through WCAG 2.0, and adds new requirements that are missing. happy to do it herself
13:21:35 <ayelet_seeman> JR: confused about what is involved
13:22:59 <ayelet_seeman> .... would like there to be an example of exactly what to do
13:23:21 <ayelet_seeman> LS: recommends looking at previous issue papers, has explained it in previous emails
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13:25:18 <ayelet_seeman> ...one needs to look through the techniques and WCAG 2.0 and add/reference to what's missing
13:25:36 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa gap anlaisis for malit modal
13:25:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - Gap anlaisis for malit modal [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-09-25].
13:26:13 <ayelet_seeman> JR & LS agreed that it would probably be simplest for LS to do it.
13:26:40 <ayelet_seeman> MP: requested a link to the security issue paper used as an example
13:27:41 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
13:27:49 <Lisa_Seeman> Minimize the cognitive skills required to use the content and avoid barriers that stop people with cognitive disabilities from using content, such as hard to use security mechanisms.
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13:28:36 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0008.html
13:29:53 <ayelet_seeman> JR: did the same thing (added links)
13:30:10 <ayelet_seeman> (with the security)
13:30:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
13:30:37 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa gap anlaisis for secirty
13:30:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - Gap anlaisis for secirty [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-09-25].
13:30:55 <ayelet_seeman> LS: will close John's actions and will do the gap analysis for the security
13:31:44 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Sep/0020.html
13:32:11 <ayelet_seeman> * continue
13:34:32 <ayelet_seeman> LS: with the aria-function attribute, is concerned that people may use it in wrong contexts - for example use "contact us" in the "contact us" region
13:36:23 <ayelet_seeman> then thought that the attribute could be "aria-region-function", "aria-link-function", etc.
13:36:32 <ayelet_seeman> RS: have a function with an embedded role of everything
13:37:20 <ayelet_seeman> ... why not have the Java Script trigger off in correct contexts?
13:37:40 <ayelet_seeman> LS: why not have clear guidelines?
13:37:59 <ayelet_seeman> RS: what's to stop it spiralin out of control?
13:38:24 <ayelet_seeman> ... checkbox attribute, etc.
13:39:45 <Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Aug/0102.html
13:40:39 <ayelet_seeman> LS: thought at first about having it trigger in "correct" contexts, but was concerned it's too complex
13:41:19 <ayelet_seeman> ... if developers have a div with out a role, the personalisation will be messed up
13:42:26 <ayelet_seeman> RS: makes no sense to add additional semantics for semantic free items
13:44:00 <ayelet_seeman> RS: are discussing this in the task force with lists, where there is a container and things in it.
13:44:41 <ayelet_seeman> LS: the people on the call last week found it easier with action, field, region, destination attributes
13:45:12 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/links-buttons.html
13:45:19 <ayelet_seeman> RS: is there a list of what separates them from other values?
13:48:03 <ayelet_seeman> LS: the supported values are at that link, and are divided in to those categories, so it seems like it will work
13:49:09 <ayelet_seeman> AS: what with adding the context to the names instead of the attributes?
14:02:01 <Tony_Doran> anhy progress on the next f2f
14:02:03 <Lisa_Seeman> I got droped
14:02:11 <Lisa_Seeman> but we are on the hour anyway
14:02:45 <Lisa_Seeman> so I guese we will rap up?
14:02:55 <Lisa_Seeman> (ayelet can you tell everyone?
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14:03:13 <Tony_Doran> Ok.
14:03:49 <ayelet_seeman> I am still catching up on the scribing so please don't wrap up yet.
14:04:57 <ayelet_seeman> RS: IndieUI sends through an action.  a problem is that in Java Script you won't know which functions are available.
14:05:33 <ayelet_seeman>  LS: IndieUI triggers the event, which is a lot more than customisation.
14:07:59 <ayelet_seeman>  RS: apple wants device free interfaces where functions work regardless of how it was triggered. you need some indicators on the page to know how to customize it for the user
14:08:13 <ayelet_seeman> . LS: is wondering whether we sould use the same semantics as IndieUI, as sometimes it say IndieUI implies certain aria functions.
14:09:08 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
14:09:16 <Lisa_Seeman>  rrsagent, create minutes
14:09:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
14:09:40 <Lisa_Seeman> ayelet can you send the minites to the list? http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-minutes.html
14:09:51 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
14:09:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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14:09:56 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
14:09:56 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-actions.rdf :
14:09:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa gap anlaisis for malit modal [1]
14:09:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-irc#T13-25-36
14:09:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa gap anlaisis for secirty [2]
14:09:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/18-coga-irc#T13-30-37