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<AllanJ_> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 09 September 2015
<trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 09 September 2015
<AllanJ_> \Agenda+ Review Work Statement
<AllanJ_> scribe: allanj
<jeanne> scribe: jeanne
<AWK> for introductions provide: - name - what are expectations of group - what can you do
[Introductions]
<AllanJ_> Jim is also Chair of the User Agent working group
<AllanJ_> ACTION: jim to present 10 minutes on lowvision with wayne [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/09-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Present 10 minutes on lowvision with wayne [on Jim Allan - due 2015-09-16].
<AWK> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/work-statement
<jon_avila> * either is fine with me
<AllanJ_> example requirements: www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs
Wayne: It seems like all the
research I'm reading stops when the web starts. We don't seem
to have the good @@ research. Some of us will be doing the
first cut on this.
... I struggle a lot with Git, but I'm starting to get it.
Andrew: It is worth everyone having some baseline knowledge of it.
Jim: It's not all sitting on the author. There is a lot that the browsers can do, so we don't have authors writing a million different ways to do things.
<AllanJ_> the author proposed, the browser disposed
<AllanJ_> ws/disposed/disposes
Andrew: It's how end-users can get their needs met. Some falls on browsers, some on authors, and there is a squishy area between. I don't think there is a clear boundary between the two.
<AllanJ_> -- Al Gillman
ALan: Do we want to consider
things with mobile apps and low vision
... the smaller screens, and apps may not be able to turn off
CSS
Jim: The chairs will get together and see if the whole group wants to do it or if people want to get together and work on specific parts.
Andrew: SOme will have to coordinate with the Mobile Accessibility Task Force.
<AllanJ_> scribe: allanj
Jim: Jon, Alan and Jeanne are on the Mobile Accessiiblity Task Force, and Katie is also on the Cognitive Accessibility Task Force
<AllanJ_> awk: requirement - what we want to achieve, gap analysis...
<AllanJ_> ... techniques and failures for current version of WCAG is very important
<AllanJ_> ... lead to extension with perhaps new Success Criteria
<AllanJ_> awk: techniques to help current authors.
<AllanJ_> John joins, Cooper and Jeanne leave
<AllanJ_> Develop extension to WCAG 2.0 to address low-vision user needs effectively or whatever new guidelines are developed
<AllanJ_> close item 1
<AllanJ_> close item 3
<AllanJ_> open item 2
<AllanJ_> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Work_Topics
<AllanJ_> ACTION: Jeanne to create LVTF github page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/09-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Create lvtf github page [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-09-16].
<AllanJ_> khs: responsive design upto 1000%
<AllanJ_> awk: wayne posted on webaim upto 900%
<AllanJ_> wd: worked with Gordon Legge - research --- ~1000%
<AllanJ_> ... depends on viewport,
<laura> Wayne’s post: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2015JulSep/0099.html
<AllanJ_> ... and 0
<AWK> Scribe: AWK
WD: the big question is "percentage of what?"
JA: variable screen size is an issue.
WD: idea called "screen capacity" with a grid and will post to wiki as it is complicated
JR: I have pet peeve which is that he hates a certain vendor where magnification is dependent on use of the screen reader
JA: so you want magnification decoupled from speech?
JR: Yes
Jon: What specific issues?
JR: this OS has problems for ppl
with LV in that error messages are not enlargeable, menus are
not enlargeable including the accessibility menu
... other mobile platforms don't have these issues
Jon: So text resize doesn't go large enough and doesn't apply to all aspects of the UI
JR: Yes
... Text gets fuzzy at high enlargement
JA: We should document differences between OS's
Jon: commenting on JR's comment
about 3rd party apps that don't follow dynamic text size
adjustment in the OS
... agree that there is a problem
... Limited screen real estate - sometimes truncating text may
be an option
... don't want horizontal scrolling
... vertical scrolling can be ok
... uses 600x800 resolution on Windows and there are many
applications that don't fit and that is a problem
JA: similar experience, sometimes important buttons in dialogs are off screen
Jon: Doesn't like to use screen
magnification software personally
... can find those tools dizzying
... enlarged text is better
<JohnRochford> +1
WD: people find things that
work
... then you live in fear that the functionality will go away
and you will spend a lot of time finding a new solution
<AllanJ_> +1 software vanishing - a huge concern about using extensions with browsers
WD: LV-benefiting features are often not documented, and then more easily broken
<AllanJ_> extensions go away or browser changes and extension no longer works
WD: screen readers can take over the visual display of the information on screen making reading harder
Jon: use a variety of tools, depending on whether tired, having a good or less good vision day
JA: Please feel free to write thoughts/ideas on wiki: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/
<laura> Thanks. bye.
trackbot, end meeting
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