IRC log of ua on 2015-09-03

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Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
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Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 03 September 2015
17:00:31 [Greg]
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17:04:32 [Kim]
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17:07:23 [allanj]
chair: Jim
17:07:36 [allanj]
present: kim, greg, jeanne, jim
17:09:12 [allanj]
http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/Implementations-by-feature
17:12:56 [jeanne]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JulSep/0018.html
17:15:57 [allanj]
topic: 1.8.12 allow same user interface
17:16:11 [allanj]
there is some issues. greg with ff on http://rip747.github.io/popupwindow/ all open in a new tab with same interface. jim cannot make that happen in his FF.
17:17:21 [allanj]
this seems to be a programming issue. there are application that no matter what I do, the application will open a new window with no chrome.
17:17:31 [allanj]
js: this comes under recognize.
17:17:54 [allanj]
gl: there is a lot that scripts can do that the browser cannot control
17:19:11 [allanj]
gl: does the SC apply to scripts, etc. ... if so nobody does that. if just html then they all do.
17:20:30 [allanj]
js: perhaps this goes in the browsers must follow WCAG list.
17:21:01 [allanj]
... need to check with browser folks
17:24:08 [allanj]
summary: all browsers do this. tho there are applications that open new windows with no chrome that the browser cannot control
17:25:07 [allanj]
topic: 1.8.16 Provide Web Page Bookmarks
17:26:22 [allanj]
really called placemarkers
17:27:21 [allanj]
canisbos Placemarker - safari http://canisbos.com/placemarker
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yourhere placemarker - chrome - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/yourhere/fkandkgadbpobooanbmiiinlelnhbabm
17:31:13 [allanj]
topic: 1.8.15 Linearize Content:
17:31:31 [allanj]
linearize table
17:33:12 [allanj]
webdeveloper toolbar for chrome and FF will linearize tables
17:33:38 [allanj]
http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/
17:33:51 [allanj]
also Opera
17:36:42 [jeanne]
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17:36:59 [allanj]
opera will linearize table with no extensions!
17:37:03 [Greg]
http://help.opera.com/Windows/12.10/en/stylemodes.html
17:37:09 [allanj]
topic: 1.10.2 Show Element Hierarchy:
17:38:51 [allanj]
webdeveloper - firefox - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/yourhere/fkandkgadbpobooanbmiiinlelnhbabm​
17:38:53 [allanj]
17:38:54 [allanj]
f12 in most browsers
17:38:56 [allanj]
web inspector - chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/web-inspector/enibedkmbpadhfofcgjcphipflcbpelf?hl=en
17:39:53 [allanj]
webdeveloper for chrome and opera also
17:41:52 [allanj]
jim - hopes that extensiions written in xul will be rewritten in the new cross browser extension engine.
17:42:13 [Greg]
Please, God, Don't Let Mozilla Ruin Firefox - Softpedia
17:42:14 [Greg]
http://news.softpedia.com/news/please-god-don-t-let-mozilla-ruin-firefox-490376.shtml
17:42:26 [Greg]
Mozilla sets plan to dump Firefox add-ons, move to Chrome-like extensions | Ars Technica
17:42:27 [Greg]
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/mozilla-sets-plan-to-dump-firefox-add-ons-move-to-chrome-like-extensions/
17:42:42 [Greg]
"Developers will have until mid-2017 to switch to the new programming model."
17:43:58 [allanj]
topic: 2.1.4 separate selection from activation
17:44:19 [allanj]
all browsers. except radio buttons - tab to the group...arrowing around causes selection...as per w3 behavior http://www.w3.org/wiki/RadioButton
17:46:20 [allanj]
there are WCAG failures e.g. onChange events that the browser cannot control. there are surely others
17:47:48 [allanj]
no way to unselect a radio button other than refresh page
17:48:32 [allanj]
topic: 2.4.5 search alternative content
17:49:00 [allanj]
for alt text - webdeveloper - firefox - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/yourhere/fkandkgadbpobooanbmiiinlelnhbabm reveal alt then you can search
17:49:01 [allanj]
and webdeveloper - chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/web-developer/bfbameneiokkgbdmiekhjnmfkcnldhhm?hl=en reveal alt then search
17:49:03 [allanj]
chrome bug https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=496232
17:49:06 [allanj]
ff bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158757
17:50:22 [allanj]
if you turn off images in a browser to show alt text you cannot search for it
17:52:21 [allanj]
media players - youtube allow caption search
17:53:49 [allanj]
topic: 2.5.2 structural nav heading and tables (now 2.5.1)
17:54:21 [allanj]
headingsMap - ff https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/headingsmap/
17:54:22 [allanj]
scrollbar of content - chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/scrollbar-of-contents/cfmkncejaemmcobmaabfigljmnkeecdm
17:54:24 [allanj]
landmark nav - ff - https://github.com/matatk/landmarks
17:56:21 [allanj]
could find nothing about table navigation
17:57:36 [allanj]
could use chromevox with no speech for all of the element navigation and table navigation
18:10:29 [allanj]
topic: 2.6.2 Allow Restore All to Default: The user can restore all preference settings to default values. (Level A)
18:11:35 [allanj]
IE has reset to defaults
18:12:44 [Greg]
Refresh Firefox - reset add-ons and settings | Firefox Help
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https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings
18:12:47 [Greg]
"The refresh feature works by creating a new profile folder for you while saving your important data.
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Add-ons which are normally stored inside the Firefox profile folder, such as extensions and themes, will be removed. Add-ons stored in other locations, such as plugins, will not be removed but any modified preferences (such as plugins you have disabled) will be reset."
18:13:19 [allanj]
Google Chrome has an option that will reset itself to its default settings. To find this option, open Chrome's menu and select Settings. Perform a search for “reset browser” and you'll see the Reset browser settings button.
18:16:10 [allanj]
ff has extension for retore to default without removing addons http://chrispederick.com/
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topic: 2.6.3 Allow Multiple Sets of Preference Settings:
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ff can do profiles
18:17:53 [allanj]
chrome user profile https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/142059?hl=en
18:18:34 [allanj]
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2089364/how-to-create-and-manage-multiple-user-profiles-in-chrome.html
18:19:28 [allanj]
ff user profiles - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles
18:20:19 [allanj]
topic: 2.6.4 Allow Preference Changes from outside the User Interface:
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used to have this.
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chrome http://smallbusiness.chron.com/export-chrome-profile-79321.html
18:25:26 [allanj]
windows - %LOCALAPPDATA%\Google\Chrome\User Data\ huge folder - not user friendly , but it is possible to edit
18:26:38 [Greg]
Stupid Geek Tricks: Hacking the Firefox Profile Data Storage
18:26:40 [Greg]
http://www.howtogeek.com/69051/stupid-geek-tricks-hacking-the-firefox-profile-data-storage/
18:26:41 [Greg]
"Using an open source program, SQLite Database Browser, you can not only see the structure of the individual databases but browse and, if you are so inclined, manipulate all the data in each of the tables."
18:27:01 [allanj]
topic: 2.6.5 Make Preference Settings Transferable: The user can transfer all compatible user agent preference settings between devices. (Level AAA)
18:27:38 [allanj]
chrome - windows - %LOCALAPPDATA%\Google\Chrome\User Data\ huge folder - just transfer the "default" folder
18:29:34 [allanj]
Transfer the Profile to Another Computer. Close Mozilla Firefox, press "Windows-X" to open the Windows Power User menu and then click "Run" to open the Run utility. Type "%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\" (without the quotation marks) and press "Enter" to open Firefox's Profiles folder.
18:30:05 [allanj]
smallbusiness.chron.com/transfer-firefox-profile-new-computer-78755.html
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18:34:24 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been kim, greg, jeanne, jim
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