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<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#What_are_we_working_on_now.3F

<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: john to update security paper and see if anything is missing from the tchnese and gap analis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/10-coga-minutes.html#action01]

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<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: JohnRochford to update security paper and see if anything is missing from the tchnese and gap analis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/10-coga-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Update security paper and see if anything is missing from the tchnese and gap analis [on John Rochford - due 2015-08-17].

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html

<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis

LS: in the techniques, one needs to see which techniques are missing, and then see how it would fit (under which category.) if no relevant category could be found, the we may need to add a category
... with the gap analysis we've got some more flexibility
... we have the review from Jamie, as well as the metadata proposal and the proposal for graded help

<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Meta_data_support

<Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Jul/0069.html

LS: the first issue was Liddie's comment, who felt we should go more for RDFA and access for all, but we felt we preferred keeping it simpler

<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Providing_graded_help

LS: the modality issue paper hasn't been reviewed and needs a volunteer.

MP: was wondering whether aria be applicable also for mobile

LS: if you could map stuff to aria you have support. it's actually a good reason to avoid going in the direction of RDFA

<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Meta_data_support

LS: sometimes one needs to provide as many alternative versions as needed. (such as what to do when there is a siren)
... suggests adding metadata about the coga features, and linking to coga alternative content so that the alt content could be changed with out changing all links to it

<Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Jul/0069.html

LS: alternative versions are sometimes better than adaptability - such as critical\emergency information, where people are making alternative versions anyway
... additional contexts are ,educational content such as how to go to the bank, content intended for immigrants, etc.
... we don't want to disinclude the best in favor of good
... and this enables an easy way to find such content
... are we comfortable with the proposal?
... or do we not know enough about metadata

MP: there needs to be a tag somewhere

<Lisa_Seeman> action lisa review meta data with andy heath https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Jul/0069.html

<trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - Review meta data with andy heath https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015jul/0069.html [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-08-17].

LS: this will be added to the page's metadata: <meta name="coga-feature" content="http://www.w3.org/TR/coga-techniques#vocab5000" />

<Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Jul/0069.html

LS: it won't be enough - people won't build alternative pages for everything
... suggests a new aria attribute of "aria-hasAlt", in order to provide alternatives which will have a default of hidden, but with the JSON scripts would be made visible

explanation: chunk means one idea at a time

LS: if you have a long convoluted sentence you could use the easylang tag to provide a simpler version, though it doesn't let you specify how you're simplifying it

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html#break-your-content-into-manageable-chunks

RS: is there a way to determine if something is a chunk?

<Tony_Doran> Concerned about losing context in chunking?

LS: one idea per paragraph etc. (in the link)

RS: so we defined a chunk in the techniques

LS: could be called "manageable chunk

thanks Rich

LS: do we feel that the techniques don't fully describe what we need? (it's in the short term to do list)
... not seeing it there, so she's adding it
... we primarily want the techniques to be descriptive, and secondarily testable, correcct?
... For the images/symbols, used tags p0-p3 to tag the priority, but not's sure it's a good name
... also different types of images - iconic/realistic
... There are different types of extra help, such as aria-moreinfo aria-extrahelp, aria-moreinfo value: URL, aria-extrahelp supported values: tooltip/humanhelp/morehelp/glossary/dictionary/thesaurus

JR: how many provide human help? and believes that human help should be in a different category

LS: online chat for example, LS finds it annoying, for example

MP: uses more resources, and many people to prefer it. unsure how manageable it is

LS: so do we want it in a different category?

JR: doesn't object, but thinks it's very different to the others

AS: thinks it seems similar on the user end, but different on the developer's end

LS: it's a first draft, and we may want to word it better. suggests thinking about it and writing to the list

MP: suggests having a special feature so that human help is only available to people who need it

LS: such as with registeration, which opens a kettle of warms with privacy
... wondering if human help should be removed, as we don't know what it would look like

<Lisa_Seeman> action lisa and mike to think though aria-extrahelp=”humanhelp” and possibly remove from proposal for now

<trackbot> Created ACTION-128 - And mike to think though aria-extrahelp=”humanhelp” and possibly remove from proposal for now [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-08-17].

<Tony_Doran> Reminders? You mean distractions?

<Tony_Doran> :)

LS: we might want different levels of reminders, because it will annoy some of the people
... a normal reminder, such as your daughter's birthday, which most people want
... one most won't want, and one that ~5% will want
... We also have levels for distracting features, such as ads. the problem is that no one wants them

MP: what is a distraction for one person is an oppurtunity for another. (such as do you want promotional offers or not)

<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.htm

LS: additional attributes include screen reading, etc.

<Tony_Doran> need to drop off

LS: We are passed the hour, so suggests people look at the techniques and see what they think

<Lisa_Seeman> thank u everyoen

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