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15:50:46 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:50:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:50:47 <trackbot> Date: 29 July 2015
15:50:47 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:51:32 <janina> agenda?
15:51:40 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:51:40 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:51:45 <janina> agenda?
15:51:51 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:51:51 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:51:51 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:51:51 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:51:52 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
15:51:53 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
15:51:56 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:51:58 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
15:52:01 <janina> agenda+ MAUR Finalization (Redux)
15:52:03 <janina> agenda+ Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion
15:52:06 <janina> agenda+ Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Continued Discussion
15:52:08 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:52:11 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:52:14 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:52:27 <janina>  agenda?
15:53:07 <janina> present+ Janina
15:54:25 <MichielBijl> present+ Michiel_Bijl
16:03:53 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:04:40 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC, Gottfried, JamesN
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16:06:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich
16:08:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Rich
16:08:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:08:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:09:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: Miguell Bell is joining us for the first time in this meeting
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16:09:35 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
16:10:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> jmd: I work for Igalia and I am the Orca screen reader and developer as well as an aria spec. co-editor
16:10:46 <joanie> s/reader and developer/reader maintainer and developer/
16:10:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> gottfried: I am at stuttgart university. I work on the universal remote console and the GPII
16:11:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> Ryladog: I am Katie Harito-Shea. I am getting geared up at PF.
16:11:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/Miguel/Michiel/
16:12:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michiel: I work fo lechine in the Netherlands and want to contribute to ARIA
16:12:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:12:22 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:12:23 <MichielBijl> Lukkien*
16:12:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: action 1665 tracking compliance and scope
16:12:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: not yet
16:13:00 <MichaelC> action-1685 due 15 aug
16:13:00 <trackbot> Set action-1685 Manage review of http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) due date to 2015-08-15.
16:13:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: advance the due date to August 15
16:13:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: James, Cynthia, and me to review the CSS interface module
16:13:49 <MichaelC> action-1669 due 2 weeks
16:13:49 <trackbot> Set action-1669 Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ due date to 2015-08-12.
16:13:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> Katie: can we split … this out for the next 2 weeks - action 1669
16:14:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: action 1654
16:14:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action-w654?
16:14:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> action-1654?
16:14:20 <trackbot> action-1654 -- Gottfried Zimmermann to Take preliminary look at discovery & registration of multimodal modality components: state handling http://www.w3.org/tr/mmi-mc-discovery/ -- due 2015-07-08 -- OPEN
16:14:20 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1654
16:14:29 <MichaelC> action-1654 due 30 aug
16:14:29 <trackbot> Set action-1654 Take preliminary look at discovery & registration of multimodal modality components: state handling http://www.w3.org/tr/mmi-mc-discovery/ due date to 2015-08-30.
16:14:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> gottfried: make the end of August please
16:14:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: Action 1648
16:14:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> action-1648?
16:14:58 <trackbot> action-1648 -- James Nurthen to Review entry point regulation http://www.w3.org/tr/epr/ -- due 2015-06-24 -- OPEN
16:14:58 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1648
16:15:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> JN: I have not done it yet. I need to get to this, this week
16:15:20 <MichaelC> action-1648 due 1 week
16:15:20 <trackbot> Set action-1648 Review entry point regulation http://www.w3.org/tr/epr/ due date to 2015-08-05.
16:15:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: I will put that out a week
16:15:50 <MichaelC> action-1648 due 29 aug
16:15:50 <trackbot> Set action-1648 Review entry point regulation http://www.w3.org/tr/epr/ due date to 2015-08-29.
16:15:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: make that August 29
16:16:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> action-1629?
16:16:12 <trackbot> action-1629 -- James Nurthen to Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ -- due 2015-06-24 -- OPEN
16:16:12 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1629
16:16:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: review the manifest for an application
16:16:54 <MichaelC> action-1629 due 29 Aug
16:16:54 <trackbot> Set action-1629 Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ due date to 2015-08-29.
16:17:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Fred
16:17:13 <MichaelC> present+ Fred
16:17:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> action-1615?
16:17:25 <trackbot> action-1615 -- Janina Sajka to Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ -- due 2015-07-29 -- OPEN
16:17:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1615
16:17:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: closed to finished.
16:17:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> action-1597?
16:17:48 <trackbot> action-1597 -- Janina Sajka to Review web midi api http://www.w3.org/tr/webmidi/ -- due 2015-07-27 -- OPEN
16:17:48 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1597
16:17:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: give me another week please
16:17:59 <MichaelC> action-1597 due 1 week
16:17:59 <trackbot> Set action-1597 Review web midi api http://www.w3.org/tr/webmidi/ due date to 2015-08-05.
16:18:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:18:06 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:18:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: no new publications in the last week
16:19:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, close this item
16:19:04 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:19:05 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:19:05 <Zakim> 4. Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/ [from janina]
16:19:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:19:12 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:19:20 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/wearableweb/ Wearable Web Community Group
16:19:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: wearable web community group
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16:19:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: the mission is to investigate technical standardizations
16:19:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: I think it is dead
16:21:18 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/annoux/ Annotation UX Community Group
16:21:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: there is a chair but no mailing list represenatitives
16:22:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: nothing happening in the community group
16:22:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: put this in the would have like to track list
16:23:12 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-energy/ BDE-Secure, clean and efficient energy Community Group
16:23:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: bde secure clean and efficient energy
16:23:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we don’t need to track this one
16:23:56 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-transport/ BDE-Smart, green and integrated transport Community Group
16:24:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: there were 2 things on the mailling list. one was a workshop
16:24:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we don’t need to track this
16:24:56 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/restonto/ Restaurant Ontology Community Group
16:25:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we don’t need to track
16:25:59 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/webassembly/ WebAssembly Community Group
16:27:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: Script in general breaks the declarative aspects. this takes it a step further and makes it unreadable.
16:27:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: this is more cross browser
16:27:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: I don’t know if there are accessibility issues
16:27:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: I thought applets were dead
16:27:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: this is the replacement for applets.
16:28:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: the issue of script proliferation is something we need to look at
16:28:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> Micheiel: You don’t have a source if you compile
16:29:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: if your script engine is capable of interpreting the byte code …
16:29:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: not really our problem
16:29:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we should not really track but have a discussion on tracking
16:29:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/tracking/scripting
16:30:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we don’t want to oppose it.
16:30:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we would not oppose it on principle. We would want to ensure that whatever is there is accessible. That gets broken too.
16:31:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: there are issues to scripting and there need to be best practices.
16:31:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michiel: any complications for AT?
16:32:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: Cynthia is going to lead an effort on a javascript api for accessibility
16:32:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: maybe they should look at this at some point
16:32:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: let’s log it
16:33:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> Cynthia: this is going to start an incubator CG
16:33:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/Cynthia/Janina/
16:34:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we need to get down to the nuts and bolts of this for tpac
16:34:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: PF is monday, tuesday, thursday and Friday. ARIA is monday and tuesday. APA is thursday and Friday
16:35:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> JN: when is the registration deadline before the fees go up?
16:35:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: It is not until October
16:35:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> Michael: October 7 is a bit late. so I am bugging you all :-)
16:36:10 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/ TPAC 2015
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16:37:20 <fesch> present + fesch
16:37:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: as we get to August we will need actual agendas to develop
16:39:00 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: I think DPUB is going
16:40:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: there may be a need to talk about math at TPAC as DPUB is there
16:40:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:40:25 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below]
16:40:40 <Ryladog> Main Page:      http://www.w3.org/2015/11/TPAC/
16:41:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we have a lot of votes but we are waiting for a few. There are 36 hours left
16:41:25 <Ryladog> APA Wiki:       https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/APA
16:41:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael, those organizations were over pinged. (some that had not responded)
16:43:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we had a couple objections we need to respond to
16:43:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we may provide an explanation of why a comment has not been accepted.
16:44:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: some objects are addressable with some clarifications
16:44:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/objects/objections/
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16:49:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: the more objections there are the more there we need to look at them
16:49:11 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:49:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/29-pf-minutes.html jamesn
16:49:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: the presence of a lot of votes in favor does help
16:49:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim close this item
16:49:37 <MichaelC> but objections are considered on their merits
16:49:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, close this item
16:49:42 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
16:49:43 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:49:43 <Zakim> 6. TPAC 2013 Update [from See Below via janina]
16:49:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:49:46 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
16:49:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:49:51 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, richardschwerdtfeger
16:50:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, close this item
16:50:13 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:50:14 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:50:14 <Zakim> 8. Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization [from janina]
16:51:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: we are turning and burning in ARIA. all good
16:51:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: coga is doing well
16:51:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: we are working on a chart taxonomy for svg2
16:52:31 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: we found a way to handle issues even if they did not have commit access
16:52:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> michael: this is svg2-aria. I will bring it to an editor’s agenda
16:53:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: the module approach has proven to be very succesfful. the dpub-aria group is doing well too
16:53:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/succesfful/successful/
16:53:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: Shane is following web payments for accessibility
16:54:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: there is a call to discuss web payments
16:54:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: this is part of the HTML task force
16:54:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: the html a11y task force call is tomorrow.
16:54:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: Thursday, 11 Boston time
16:54:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: #html-a11y
16:55:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:55:16 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization" taken up [from janina]
16:55:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, close this item
16:55:26 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
16:55:27 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:55:27 <Zakim> 9. MAUR Finalization (Redux) [from janina]
16:56:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:56:12 <Zakim> agendum 9. "MAUR Finalization (Redux)" taken up [from janina]
16:56:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we are waiting for me to send out the emails
16:58:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, close this item
16:58:36 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
16:58:37 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:58:37 <Zakim> 10. Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion [from janina]
16:58:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
16:58:40 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion" taken up [from janina]
16:59:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: the world is moving toward driverless vehicles.
16:59:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: there are all kinds of technology.
16:59:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: there is a proposal for future work. There is also a community group on driverless APIs
17:00:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: cross platform in how you interface and control it. we should take the Maur approach on driverless and take it disability by disability
17:00:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: at TPAC we might offer to do this.
17:01:01 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: … this is what you need to do to support it.
17:01:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we should have interfaces that work with talk back
17:01:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: comments, questions?
17:01:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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17:01:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> katie: I think it is a good idea
17:01:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: nobody has said no to this
17:02:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we are at the stage of socializing this
17:02:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: i am offering to work on it
17:02:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> janina: we could organize top categories in time for TPAC
17:02:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make minutes
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17:03:13 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
17:03:13 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Continued Discussion" taken up [from janina]
17:03:20 <MichaelC> above discussion was under this topic
17:03:26 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/29-pf-minutes.html MichaelC
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