IRC log of pf on 2015-07-29
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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- Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 29 July 2015
- 15:50:47 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
- 15:51:32 [janina]
- agenda?
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- agenda?
- 15:51:51 [janina]
- agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
- 15:51:51 [janina]
- agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
- 15:51:51 [janina]
- agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
- 15:51:51 [janina]
- agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
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- agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
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- agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
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- agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
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- agenda+ Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
- 15:52:01 [janina]
- agenda+ MAUR Finalization (Redux)
- 15:52:03 [janina]
- agenda+ Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion
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- agenda+ Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Continued Discussion
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
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- agenda+ be done
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- agenda?
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- present+ Janina
- 15:54:25 [MichielBijl]
- present+ Michiel_Bijl
- 16:03:53 [joanie]
- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
- 16:04:40 [MichaelC]
- present+ MichaelC, Gottfried, JamesN
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- Present+ Rich
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- scribe: Rich
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
- 16:09:08 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: Miguell Bell is joining us for the first time in this meeting
- 16:09:18 [Ryladog]
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- Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
- 16:10:21 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- jmd: I work for Igalia and I am the Orca screen reader and developer as well as an aria spec. co-editor
- 16:10:46 [joanie]
- s/reader and developer/reader maintainer and developer/
- 16:10:52 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- gottfried: I am at stuttgart university. I work on the universal remote console and the GPII
- 16:11:23 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Ryladog: I am Katie Harito-Shea. I am getting geared up at PF.
- 16:11:45 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- s/Miguel/Michiel/
- 16:12:06 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michiel: I work fo lechine in the Netherlands and want to contribute to ARIA
- 16:12:22 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
- 16:12:22 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
- 16:12:23 [MichielBijl]
- Lukkien*
- 16:12:45 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: action 1665 tracking compliance and scope
- 16:12:49 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: not yet
- 16:13:00 [MichaelC]
- action-1685 due 15 aug
- 16:13:00 [trackbot]
- Set action-1685 Manage review of http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) due date to 2015-08-15.
- 16:13:00 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: advance the due date to August 15
- 16:13:23 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: James, Cynthia, and me to review the CSS interface module
- 16:13:49 [MichaelC]
- action-1669 due 2 weeks
- 16:13:49 [trackbot]
- Set action-1669 Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ due date to 2015-08-12.
- 16:13:50 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Katie: can we split … this out for the next 2 weeks - action 1669
- 16:14:04 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Topic: action 1654
- 16:14:11 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Action-w654?
- 16:14:20 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- action-1654?
- 16:14:20 [trackbot]
- action-1654 -- Gottfried Zimmermann to Take preliminary look at discovery & registration of multimodal modality components: state handling http://www.w3.org/tr/mmi-mc-discovery/ -- due 2015-07-08 -- OPEN
- 16:14:20 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1654
- 16:14:29 [MichaelC]
- action-1654 due 30 aug
- 16:14:29 [trackbot]
- Set action-1654 Take preliminary look at discovery & registration of multimodal modality components: state handling http://www.w3.org/tr/mmi-mc-discovery/ due date to 2015-08-30.
- 16:14:35 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- gottfried: make the end of August please
- 16:14:52 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Topic: Action 1648
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- action-1648?
- 16:14:58 [trackbot]
- action-1648 -- James Nurthen to Review entry point regulation http://www.w3.org/tr/epr/ -- due 2015-06-24 -- OPEN
- 16:14:58 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1648
- 16:15:15 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JN: I have not done it yet. I need to get to this, this week
- 16:15:20 [MichaelC]
- action-1648 due 1 week
- 16:15:20 [trackbot]
- Set action-1648 Review entry point regulation http://www.w3.org/tr/epr/ due date to 2015-08-05.
- 16:15:25 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: I will put that out a week
- 16:15:50 [MichaelC]
- action-1648 due 29 aug
- 16:15:50 [trackbot]
- Set action-1648 Review entry point regulation http://www.w3.org/tr/epr/ due date to 2015-08-29.
- 16:15:53 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: make that August 29
- 16:16:12 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- action-1629?
- 16:16:12 [trackbot]
- action-1629 -- James Nurthen to Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ -- due 2015-06-24 -- OPEN
- 16:16:12 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1629
- 16:16:27 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: review the manifest for an application
- 16:16:54 [MichaelC]
- action-1629 due 29 Aug
- 16:16:54 [trackbot]
- Set action-1629 Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ due date to 2015-08-29.
- 16:17:13 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Present+ Fred
- 16:17:13 [MichaelC]
- present+ Fred
- 16:17:25 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- action-1615?
- 16:17:25 [trackbot]
- action-1615 -- Janina Sajka to Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ -- due 2015-07-29 -- OPEN
- 16:17:25 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1615
- 16:17:38 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: closed to finished.
- 16:17:48 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- action-1597?
- 16:17:48 [trackbot]
- action-1597 -- Janina Sajka to Review web midi api http://www.w3.org/tr/webmidi/ -- due 2015-07-27 -- OPEN
- 16:17:48 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1597
- 16:17:57 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: give me another week please
- 16:17:59 [MichaelC]
- action-1597 due 1 week
- 16:17:59 [trackbot]
- Set action-1597 Review web midi api http://www.w3.org/tr/webmidi/ due date to 2015-08-05.
- 16:18:06 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
- 16:18:25 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: no new publications in the last week
- 16:19:04 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
- 16:19:05 [Zakim]
- I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/ [from janina]
- 16:19:12 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
- 16:19:20 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/community/wearableweb/ Wearable Web Community Group
- 16:19:33 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: wearable web community group
- 16:19:33 [Gottfried]
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- michael: the mission is to investigate technical standardizations
- 16:19:54 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: I think it is dead
- 16:21:18 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/community/annoux/ Annotation UX Community Group
- 16:21:44 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: there is a chair but no mailing list represenatitives
- 16:22:14 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: nothing happening in the community group
- 16:22:39 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: put this in the would have like to track list
- 16:23:12 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-energy/ BDE-Secure, clean and efficient energy Community Group
- 16:23:17 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: bde secure clean and efficient energy
- 16:23:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we don’t need to track this one
- 16:23:56 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/community/bde-transport/ BDE-Smart, green and integrated transport Community Group
- 16:24:24 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: there were 2 things on the mailling list. one was a workshop
- 16:24:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: we don’t need to track this
- 16:24:56 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/community/restonto/ Restaurant Ontology Community Group
- 16:25:43 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: we don’t need to track
- 16:25:59 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/community/webassembly/ WebAssembly Community Group
- 16:27:17 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: Script in general breaks the declarative aspects. this takes it a step further and makes it unreadable.
- 16:27:27 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: this is more cross browser
- 16:27:37 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: I don’t know if there are accessibility issues
- 16:27:46 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- fred: I thought applets were dead
- 16:27:54 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: this is the replacement for applets.
- 16:28:21 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: the issue of script proliferation is something we need to look at
- 16:28:44 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Micheiel: You don’t have a source if you compile
- 16:29:06 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: if your script engine is capable of interpreting the byte code …
- 16:29:12 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: not really our problem
- 16:29:30 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we should not really track but have a discussion on tracking
- 16:29:53 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- s/tracking/scripting
- 16:30:13 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: we don’t want to oppose it.
- 16:30:50 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we would not oppose it on principle. We would want to ensure that whatever is there is accessible. That gets broken too.
- 16:31:08 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: there are issues to scripting and there need to be best practices.
- 16:31:26 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michiel: any complications for AT?
- 16:32:19 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Rich: Cynthia is going to lead an effort on a javascript api for accessibility
- 16:32:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Rich: maybe they should look at this at some point
- 16:32:51 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: let’s log it
- 16:33:12 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Cynthia: this is going to start an incubator CG
- 16:33:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- s/Cynthia/Janina/
- 16:34:00 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we need to get down to the nuts and bolts of this for tpac
- 16:34:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: PF is monday, tuesday, thursday and Friday. ARIA is monday and tuesday. APA is thursday and Friday
- 16:35:04 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JN: when is the registration deadline before the fees go up?
- 16:35:13 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: It is not until October
- 16:35:36 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Michael: October 7 is a bit late. so I am bugging you all :-)
- 16:36:10 [MichaelC]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/ TPAC 2015
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- present + fesch
- 16:37:24 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: as we get to August we will need actual agendas to develop
- 16:39:00 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: I think DPUB is going
- 16:40:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Rich: there may be a need to talk about math at TPAC as DPUB is there
- 16:40:25 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
- 16:40:25 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below]
- 16:40:40 [Ryladog]
- Main Page: http://www.w3.org/2015/11/TPAC/
- 16:41:09 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we have a lot of votes but we are waiting for a few. There are 36 hours left
- 16:41:25 [Ryladog]
- APA Wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2015/APA
- 16:41:44 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael, those organizations were over pinged. (some that had not responded)
- 16:43:07 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: we had a couple objections we need to respond to
- 16:43:35 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: we may provide an explanation of why a comment has not been accepted.
- 16:44:16 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: some objects are addressable with some clarifications
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- s/objects/objections/
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- michael: the more objections there are the more there we need to look at them
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/29-pf-minutes.html jamesn
- 16:49:14 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: the presence of a lot of votes in favor does help
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- zakim close this item
- 16:49:37 [MichaelC]
- but objections are considered on their merits
- 16:49:42 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 5 closed
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- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:49:43 [Zakim]
- 6. TPAC 2013 Update [from See Below via janina]
- 16:49:46 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
- 16:49:51 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 was just opened, richardschwerdtfeger
- 16:50:13 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 6 closed
- 16:50:14 [Zakim]
- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:50:14 [Zakim]
- 8. Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization [from janina]
- 16:51:15 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Rich: we are turning and burning in ARIA. all good
- 16:51:28 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: coga is doing well
- 16:51:50 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- fred: we are working on a chart taxonomy for svg2
- 16:52:31 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: we found a way to handle issues even if they did not have commit access
- 16:52:48 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- michael: this is svg2-aria. I will bring it to an editor’s agenda
- 16:53:19 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- rich: the module approach has proven to be very succesfful. the dpub-aria group is doing well too
- 16:53:34 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- s/succesfful/successful/
- 16:53:50 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: Shane is following web payments for accessibility
- 16:54:02 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: there is a call to discuss web payments
- 16:54:09 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: this is part of the HTML task force
- 16:54:23 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: the html a11y task force call is tomorrow.
- 16:54:36 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: Thursday, 11 Boston time
- 16:54:53 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: #html-a11y
- 16:55:16 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
- 16:55:16 [Zakim]
- agendum 8. "Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization" taken up [from janina]
- 16:55:26 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 8 closed
- 16:55:27 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:55:27 [Zakim]
- 9. MAUR Finalization (Redux) [from janina]
- 16:56:12 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
- 16:56:12 [Zakim]
- agendum 9. "MAUR Finalization (Redux)" taken up [from janina]
- 16:56:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we are waiting for me to send out the emails
- 16:58:36 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 9 closed
- 16:58:37 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:58:37 [Zakim]
- 10. Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion [from janina]
- 16:58:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 10. "Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion" taken up [from janina]
- 16:59:14 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: the world is moving toward driverless vehicles.
- 16:59:29 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: there are all kinds of technology.
- 16:59:55 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: there is a proposal for future work. There is also a community group on driverless APIs
- 17:00:27 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: cross platform in how you interface and control it. we should take the Maur approach on driverless and take it disability by disability
- 17:00:44 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: at TPAC we might offer to do this.
- 17:01:01 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: … this is what you need to do to support it.
- 17:01:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we should have interfaces that work with talk back
- 17:01:23 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: comments, questions?
- 17:01:35 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/29-pf-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger
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- katie: I think it is a good idea
- 17:01:52 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: nobody has said no to this
- 17:02:04 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we are at the stage of socializing this
- 17:02:20 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: i am offering to work on it
- 17:02:34 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- janina: we could organize top categories in time for TPAC
- 17:02:46 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/29-pf-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 11. "Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Continued Discussion" taken up [from janina]
- 17:03:20 [MichaelC]
- above discussion was under this topic
- 17:03:26 [MichaelC]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/29-pf-minutes.html MichaelC
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- janina has changed the topic to: PF Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 5 August at 16:00Z; Webex 647 857 439; Passwd: pfwg
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