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17:01:12 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
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17:13:01 <jamesn> Agenda+ New example development planning and planning wiki page (James)
17:13:01 <jamesn> Agenda+ Complete TreeView review
17:13:01 <jamesn> Agenda+ Discuss Accordion and how to tackle
17:13:13 <Michiel> I actually started on a aria-errormessage sample today after @jamesn proposal on the mailinglist: http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/cabaf9fa42087fe04ea9c1ad66994553
17:13:21 <annabbott> Ann Abbott, scribe
17:13:29 <jamesn> scribe: annabbott
17:13:35 <Michiel> I only just started so it’s not that much yet.
17:13:41 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 1
17:13:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "New example development planning and planning wiki page (James)" taken up [from jamesn]
17:13:52 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status
17:14:32 <annabbott> Reviewed column not up-to-date, since last update.
17:14:49 <annabbott> Jon Gunderson has added several
17:15:01 <annabbott> Missing lots of code samples
17:15:16 <annabbott> James: how to add new
17:15:44 <annabbott> Ian hopes to have some time
17:16:11 <annabbott> Katie: have tried looking at ARIA techniques and modifying them?
17:16:31 <annabbott> James: we could, but most are not full widget patterns
17:16:58 <annabbott> Brian: work on full widgets?
17:17:17 <annabbott> James: yes, some are more simple and should be easier
17:17:28 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/master/practices
17:17:33 <annabbott> James: all examples are in github
17:17:54 <annabbott> James: in examples directory
17:18:16 <annabbott> James: Jon added spinbutton and slider
17:18:38 <annabbott> James: post in wiki if working on one
17:18:54 <annabbott> James: add name and some text in column
17:19:03 <annabbott> James: add link if applicable
17:19:32 <annabbott> James: currently do not have pattern for error messages
17:19:52 <annabbott> James: refer to Jon's examples for consistency
17:20:37 <annabbott> Ann: pattern for error messages - is that for alert messages?
17:21:02 <annabbott> Michiel: no, not really
17:22:06 <annabbott> Brian: Rich has list of highest priority bugs
17:24:11 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=ARIA
17:24:34 <Michiel> Link to the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#alert
17:26:30 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28914
17:29:40 <annabbott> Ian: any priority?
17:29:53 <annabbott> James: start on ones that have been reviewed
17:30:12 <annabbott> James: and most interesting
17:30:12 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:30:12 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Complete TreeView review" taken up [from jamesn]
17:30:50 <Michiel> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#TreeView
17:30:50 <jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#TreeView
17:31:40 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=58001&query_format=advanced&short_desc=pattern-treeview&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr
17:33:44 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28840
17:37:10 <annabbott> Group agrees: make  * expands all nodes "Optional"
17:38:25 <annabbott> James: no one is likely to do that and it is platform-specific
17:39:14 <annabbott> James: what do we loose whether it is "Optional" or dropped entirely?
17:39:56 <annabbott> James: numeric keypad only is so it doesn't look for first entry starting with *
17:41:29 <annabbott> James: let's not worry about it as it will be "Optional"
17:41:40 <annabbott> Group agrees
17:41:54 <jamesn> zakim, next item
17:41:54 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Discuss Accordion and how to tackle" taken up [from jamesn]
17:42:02 <jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#accordion
17:42:24 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26254
17:44:53 <annabbott> James: if someone implements Accordion per spec will cause problems
17:45:20 <annabbott> Bryan: aria roles are what is causing problem
17:45:30 <annabbott> James: that's an AT problelm
17:45:58 <annabbott> James: kbd pattern would have to change dramatically
17:47:56 <annabbott> James: wary of pulling it out entirely. Proposes to leave existing as is and add new with expand/collapse regions
17:48:33 <annabbott> James: hopes to obsolete existing in favor of new
17:48:50 <annabbott> James: make sure existing is implement-able
17:49:23 <annabbott> Bryan: indicate which is more usable
17:49:51 <annabbott> Group agrees
17:50:07 <annabbott> James: description will need to change
17:50:42 <annabbott> James: do we have simple hide/show pattern?
17:51:08 <annabbott> Group agrees we do not have
17:54:09 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28917
17:54:16 <annabbott> Bryan: main problem is reading order issue
17:54:28 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28916
17:55:29 <jamesn> https://jqueryui.com/accordion/
17:55:46 <annabbott> James: jqueryui example demonstrates kbd issues
17:56:24 <annabbott> James: this example doesn't have form elements
17:56:41 <annabbott> Bryan: developers try to fix using role="application"
17:57:15 <annabbott> James: hierarchy is broken
17:58:24 <Ryladog_> ciao
17:58:54 <annabbott> James: Doesn't intend to go thru existing accordion pattern
17:59:24 <annabbott> James: need grouping technique
17:59:48 <annabbott> James: will attempt in next couple weeks
18:00:11 <annabbott> James: no other agenda items for today
18:00:21 <annabbott> James: Matt should be back next week
18:00:55 <annabbott> Call ends at 1:00pm Central
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18:01:55 <Michiel> I want to thank everyone, this was interesting, I’ve added it to my calander; so I’ll try and attend more often.
18:02:25 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/2015/07/06-aria-apg-minutes.html,text
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