IRC log of wot-ap on 2015-07-01

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Zakim, this will be
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Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 01 July 2015
06:56:19 [jhund]
Meeting: WoT IG taskforce on APIs and protocols regular call
06:57:33 [kaz]
Present+ Johannes, Neeraj, Kaz
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Jun/0096.html
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Present+ Daniel, Dave, Joerg, Louay
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Present+ Claes
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Present+ Arne
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Present+ Matsuda
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present+ Dave
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scribe: dape
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scribenick:dape
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scribeNick: dp
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JH: Agenda, additions to agenda
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... 1. preliminaries
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.... 2. assignment of tech landscape (presentations)
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... 3. joint meeting IRTF
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... 4. F2F brainstorming for Sunnyvale
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JH: Any changes?
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All: None
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TOPIC: Tech Landscape
07:11:23 [dape]
JH: We got comment to list also existing frameworks... this is up to discussion
07:11:55 [dape]
... would like to assign presentations/people to this landscape on the wiki
07:12:51 [dape]
Louay: Wonder whether list is complete? See missing portions, eg. UPNP
07:13:35 [dape]
... also WebSocket on Client side
07:13:45 [dape]
JH: May I ask you to extend list
07:13:54 [dape]
Louay: Will do
07:14:36 [kaz]
Present+ Danh
07:14:37 [dape]
Joerg: Need to find a way to categorize technologies.. similar to what the discovery group does
07:15:01 [kaz]
Present+ Dan
07:15:36 [dape]
JH: Relations from discovery features to encoding protocol should be added
07:16:13 [dape]
JH: Louay, please also add relations when adding new protocols. Thanks!
07:16:36 [dape]
JH: More people to list findings or present protocols during the call?
07:16:38 [kaz]
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07:16:59 [dape]
.. eg. IPSO, HTTP, ..?
07:17:24 [dape]
... any people with experience? please send mail or speak up
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Danh: Transport layer vs. application layer... list focuses on transport
07:19:29 [dape]
... on top of protocol we need to deal with API
07:19:37 [dape]
JH: true
07:20:21 [dape]
... idea is to define resource model... and same API can be used no matter which encoding protocol is used
07:21:58 [dape]
Louay: W3C Presentation API deals with same task... we just define API... and this can be mapped to many protocols
07:22:24 [dape]
... worthwhile checking what was done in this W3C group
07:22:33 [dape]
JH: Can you give a summary on our call?
07:23:12 [dape]
Louay: Sure, have some material.. next week is possible. After that I am 3 weeks on vacation..
07:23:48 [DanhLePhuoc]
present+ DanhLePhuoc
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JH: Any more comments on tech landscape? .. else use wiki
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All: None
07:24:11 [Louay]
Presentation API Working Draft: http://w3c.github.io/presentation-api/
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TOPIC: Joint IRTF, 18-19 July Prague
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JH: We have overlap with T2T research group
07:25:21 [Louay]
Second Screen WG Homepage: http://www.w3.org/2014/secondscreen/
07:25:26 [dape]
... there will be presentations and also a break outs
07:27:18 [dape]
... breakouts A: 1. orchestration, 2. uses cases, requiremenst & modeling of subscriptions and 3. modeling of web thing
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07:29:17 [kaz]
s/Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference/Web of Things IG - AP TF/
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Chair: Johannes
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07:29:34 [dape]
... breakouts B: 1. security & privacy, 2. existing infrastructure vs. new challenges, 3.experiences with IOT, 4, ACE, and 5. Sec Features & Plans
07:30:18 [dape]
JH: Wiki https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Joint_IRTF_T2T_RG_/_W3C_WoT_IG_meeting_18-19_July_2015_in_Prague,_Czech_Republic is about what we can add/contribute
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i/additions to agenda/scribenick: dape/
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07:31:11 [dape]
JH: Question: What seems relevant to present? Any ideas / comments
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i/additions to agenda/topic: Preliminaries/
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07:32:41 [dape]
Dave: Suggest to plan agenda for both meeting IRTF and F2F now..
07:33:53 [dape]
JH: OK, lets postpone IRTF agenda and maybe take it to the list..
07:34:29 [kaz]
s/F2F/Sunnyvale F2F/
07:34:32 [dape]
Dave: I wonder what is ready w.r.t. security&privacy... this is important
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TOPIC: F2F in Sunnyvale
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JH: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting_29-31_July_2015_in_Sunnyvale_CA#Agenda
07:35:30 [dape]
... what would we as a task fork want to address?
07:36:08 [dape]
Dave: working group charter seems to be very important to me
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...charter should be ready by the end of the year
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.. real work is going to start next year
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JH: each task force should know which topics are important
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...eg. come up with a common resource model .... reach consensus and write it down in a document
07:38:40 [dape]
Dave: focus also on metadata, which format a server is supporting
07:39:37 [dape]
Joerg: agree to look ahead. nevertheless we also should try to conclude topics we can agree on
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q?
07:41:03 [dape]
JH: outcome for me could be about 1.resource modeling, 2. metadata, 3. tech landscape, and 4. architecture model
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Dave: working groups has to work on deliverables... like architecture models etc
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(I’ve just updated the agenda, so please reload the page)
07:43:01 [dape]
JH: We could start adding the afore mentioned objectives for the outcome of the f2f
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.. also ask other task forces to do the same
07:43:17 [dape]
Dave: great
07:44:08 [dape]
JH: Open day in Sunnyvale, any topics/outreach we want to see there
07:44:33 [dape]
Dave: Talked to Simon Mayer. He is in contact with people we can invite..
07:44:49 [Louay]
Technology Landscape section in the Wiki is updated: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/APIs_and_Protocols_TF#Technology_Landscape
07:45:32 [dape]
Joerg: first day is about "guests"... and syncing between task forces
07:46:40 [dape]
JH: Agree, need to wrap-up some discussion for each objective.. maybe also giving a short summary
07:46:56 [dape]
Dave: We should also welcome demos...
07:47:10 [dape]
JH: Any demos planned?
07:47:31 [dape]
... none... lets add a point on that on wiki
07:47:40 [dape]
JH: Lets come back to Prague meeting
07:48:02 [Claes_]
Present+ Claes_Nilsson
07:48:26 [dape]
... would it make sense to give a summary of our discussions during that meeting?
07:49:03 [dape]
... summary should be ready for Prague so that we can even further improve it for our F2F
07:49:44 [dape]
... modeling of type resources... have contribution from EVRTHING.. should this be the starting point
07:50:06 [dsr]
my regrets due to a conflicting meeting
07:50:14 [dape]
JH: Who plans to attend Prague meeting?
07:50:40 [dape]
JH: It looks like only Joerg and me (Johannes) is attending..
07:51:03 [dape]
.. let me ask what we should take to Prague...
07:51:11 [DanhLePhuoc]
present +DanhLePhuoc
07:51:17 [dape]
... questions? white spaces?
07:52:23 [dape]
Dave: there are a lot technical challenges... from small to big.. security privacy.. depends on the people attending the meeting
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Joerg: We also have challenge to share same understanding of web of things and modeling... common reference
07:53:55 [dape]
Dave: Yes, there should be a number of principles people can agree on
07:54:20 [dape]
JH: Yes, let list them
07:54:34 [dape]
... would be very good for the discussion
07:55:02 [dape]
Dave: also linked data in relation to semantics..
07:55:26 [dape]
JH: Could we summarize it to the Web principles..
07:55:58 [dape]
Dave: Layering is also of importance.. especially for developers
07:56:43 [dape]
JH: Should try to list principles
07:57:44 [dape]
JH: wrap-up: tech landscape (following presentations), IRTF meeting (consensus on basic principles), F2F (4 objectives to achieve)
07:58:15 [kaz]
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