IRC log of wot-ap on 2015-07-01
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- Zakim, this will be
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- Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
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- Date: 01 July 2015
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- Meeting: WoT IG taskforce on APIs and protocols regular call
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- Present+ Johannes, Neeraj, Kaz
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Jun/0096.html
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- Present+ Daniel, Dave, Joerg, Louay
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- Present+ Claes
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- Present+ Arne
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- Present+ Matsuda
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- present+ Dave
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- scribe: dape
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- JH: Agenda, additions to agenda
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- ... 1. preliminaries
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- .... 2. assignment of tech landscape (presentations)
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- ... 3. joint meeting IRTF
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- ... 4. F2F brainstorming for Sunnyvale
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- JH: Any changes?
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- All: None
- 07:10:35 [DanhLePhuoc]
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- TOPIC: Tech Landscape
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- JH: We got comment to list also existing frameworks... this is up to discussion
- 07:11:55 [dape]
- ... would like to assign presentations/people to this landscape on the wiki
- 07:12:51 [dape]
- Louay: Wonder whether list is complete? See missing portions, eg. UPNP
- 07:13:35 [dape]
- ... also WebSocket on Client side
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- JH: May I ask you to extend list
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- Louay: Will do
- 07:14:36 [kaz]
- Present+ Danh
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- Joerg: Need to find a way to categorize technologies.. similar to what the discovery group does
- 07:15:01 [kaz]
- Present+ Dan
- 07:15:36 [dape]
- JH: Relations from discovery features to encoding protocol should be added
- 07:16:13 [dape]
- JH: Louay, please also add relations when adding new protocols. Thanks!
- 07:16:36 [dape]
- JH: More people to list findings or present protocols during the call?
- 07:16:38 [kaz]
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- 07:16:59 [dape]
- .. eg. IPSO, HTTP, ..?
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- ... any people with experience? please send mail or speak up
- 07:17:38 [Louay]
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- Danh: Transport layer vs. application layer... list focuses on transport
- 07:19:29 [dape]
- ... on top of protocol we need to deal with API
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- JH: true
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- ... idea is to define resource model... and same API can be used no matter which encoding protocol is used
- 07:21:58 [dape]
- Louay: W3C Presentation API deals with same task... we just define API... and this can be mapped to many protocols
- 07:22:24 [dape]
- ... worthwhile checking what was done in this W3C group
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- JH: Can you give a summary on our call?
- 07:23:12 [dape]
- Louay: Sure, have some material.. next week is possible. After that I am 3 weeks on vacation..
- 07:23:48 [DanhLePhuoc]
- present+ DanhLePhuoc
- 07:24:02 [dape]
- JH: Any more comments on tech landscape? .. else use wiki
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- All: None
- 07:24:11 [Louay]
- Presentation API Working Draft: http://w3c.github.io/presentation-api/
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- TOPIC: Joint IRTF, 18-19 July Prague
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- JH: We have overlap with T2T research group
- 07:25:21 [Louay]
- Second Screen WG Homepage: http://www.w3.org/2014/secondscreen/
- 07:25:26 [dape]
- ... there will be presentations and also a break outs
- 07:27:18 [dape]
- ... breakouts A: 1. orchestration, 2. uses cases, requiremenst & modeling of subscriptions and 3. modeling of web thing
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- s/Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference/Web of Things IG - AP TF/
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- Chair: Johannes
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- 07:29:34 [dape]
- ... breakouts B: 1. security & privacy, 2. existing infrastructure vs. new challenges, 3.experiences with IOT, 4, ACE, and 5. Sec Features & Plans
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- JH: Wiki https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Joint_IRTF_T2T_RG_/_W3C_WoT_IG_meeting_18-19_July_2015_in_Prague,_Czech_Republic is about what we can add/contribute
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- i/additions to agenda/scribenick: dape/
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- 07:31:11 [dape]
- JH: Question: What seems relevant to present? Any ideas / comments
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- i/additions to agenda/topic: Preliminaries/
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- 07:32:41 [dape]
- Dave: Suggest to plan agenda for both meeting IRTF and F2F now..
- 07:33:53 [dape]
- JH: OK, lets postpone IRTF agenda and maybe take it to the list..
- 07:34:29 [kaz]
- s/F2F/Sunnyvale F2F/
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- Dave: I wonder what is ready w.r.t. security&privacy... this is important
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- TOPIC: F2F in Sunnyvale
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- JH: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting_29-31_July_2015_in_Sunnyvale_CA#Agenda
- 07:35:30 [dape]
- ... what would we as a task fork want to address?
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- Dave: working group charter seems to be very important to me
- 07:36:23 [dape]
- ...charter should be ready by the end of the year
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- .. real work is going to start next year
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- JH: each task force should know which topics are important
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- ...eg. come up with a common resource model .... reach consensus and write it down in a document
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- Dave: focus also on metadata, which format a server is supporting
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- Joerg: agree to look ahead. nevertheless we also should try to conclude topics we can agree on
- 07:40:25 [dsr]
- q?
- 07:41:03 [dape]
- JH: outcome for me could be about 1.resource modeling, 2. metadata, 3. tech landscape, and 4. architecture model
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- Dave: working groups has to work on deliverables... like architecture models etc
- 07:42:02 [dsr]
- (I’ve just updated the agenda, so please reload the page)
- 07:43:01 [dape]
- JH: We could start adding the afore mentioned objectives for the outcome of the f2f
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- .. also ask other task forces to do the same
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- Dave: great
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- JH: Open day in Sunnyvale, any topics/outreach we want to see there
- 07:44:33 [dape]
- Dave: Talked to Simon Mayer. He is in contact with people we can invite..
- 07:44:49 [Louay]
- Technology Landscape section in the Wiki is updated: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/APIs_and_Protocols_TF#Technology_Landscape
- 07:45:32 [dape]
- Joerg: first day is about "guests"... and syncing between task forces
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- JH: Agree, need to wrap-up some discussion for each objective.. maybe also giving a short summary
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- Dave: We should also welcome demos...
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- JH: Any demos planned?
- 07:47:31 [dape]
- ... none... lets add a point on that on wiki
- 07:47:40 [dape]
- JH: Lets come back to Prague meeting
- 07:48:02 [Claes_]
- Present+ Claes_Nilsson
- 07:48:26 [dape]
- ... would it make sense to give a summary of our discussions during that meeting?
- 07:49:03 [dape]
- ... summary should be ready for Prague so that we can even further improve it for our F2F
- 07:49:44 [dape]
- ... modeling of type resources... have contribution from EVRTHING.. should this be the starting point
- 07:50:06 [dsr]
- my regrets due to a conflicting meeting
- 07:50:14 [dape]
- JH: Who plans to attend Prague meeting?
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- JH: It looks like only Joerg and me (Johannes) is attending..
- 07:51:03 [dape]
- .. let me ask what we should take to Prague...
- 07:51:11 [DanhLePhuoc]
- present +DanhLePhuoc
- 07:51:17 [dape]
- ... questions? white spaces?
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- Dave: there are a lot technical challenges... from small to big.. security privacy.. depends on the people attending the meeting
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- Joerg: We also have challenge to share same understanding of web of things and modeling... common reference
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- Dave: Yes, there should be a number of principles people can agree on
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- JH: Yes, let list them
- 07:54:34 [dape]
- ... would be very good for the discussion
- 07:55:02 [dape]
- Dave: also linked data in relation to semantics..
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- JH: Could we summarize it to the Web principles..
- 07:55:58 [dape]
- Dave: Layering is also of importance.. especially for developers
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- JH: Should try to list principles
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- JH: wrap-up: tech landscape (following presentations), IRTF meeting (consensus on basic principles), F2F (4 objectives to achieve)
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