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15:09:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:09:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
15:09:32 <trackbot> Date: 01 July 2015
15:09:46 <Steven_> Chair: Steven
15:10:26 <Steven_> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Jul/0001.html
15:10:35 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Jul/0001
15:10:40 <Steven_> Regrets: Nick
15:11:02 <Steven_> Topic: Summer period (holidays etc).
15:11:02 <Steven_> [No link]
15:11:24 <Steven_> Steven: I will be away July 14- Aug 7.
15:13:23 <Steven_> Steven: So I propose we stop mid-July, and restart Mid August
15:14:08 <Steven_> ... so the last call will be next week, and we will restart Aug 19th
15:14:21 <Steven_> Topic: Summer period (holidays etc).
15:14:21 <Steven_> [No link]
15:14:34 <Steven_> Topic: Access to wiki
15:14:34 <Steven_> [No link]
15:14:41 <Steven_> Steven: Still no news.
15:15:43 <Steven_> ... no replies to my emails; time to get cross
15:15:46 <Steven_> Erik: I would say
15:16:03 <Steven_> Topic: Debrief on Cross-device UIs workshop
15:16:03 <Steven_> [No link]
15:19:14 <Steven_> Steven: I went to a workshop in Germany, and got some interesting use cases. It would be easy in XForms, all we have to do is ensure that instances are synchronised with a server
15:19:34 <Steven_> Erik: I know some javascript packages thhat try to do that.
15:19:56 <Steven_> ... Google had Google Wave, where the idea was that changes were synchronised
15:20:12 <Steven_> ... it's now in Google docs, the underrlying protocol
15:20:18 <Steven_> s/rr/r/
15:20:27 <Steven_> ... Operationsal <something>
15:20:31 <Steven_> s/sal/al/
15:20:53 <Steven_> ... what it is you are sunchronising exactly is not important.
15:21:10 <Steven_> Steven: Something interesting to think about for the future.
15:21:21 <ebruchez> http://www.waveprotocol.org/whitepapers/operational-transform
15:21:22 <Steven_> Erik: Operational transformation is what it was called
15:21:40 <Steven_> Topic: XML Amsterdam
15:21:40 <Steven_> [No link]
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15:22:10 <ebruchez> Meteor was the JS framework I was looking for: https://www.meteor.com/
15:22:35 <Steven_> Steven: There will be an XML Amsterdam,, early November, at CWI.
15:23:21 <Steven_> ... 6 November
15:23:32 <Steven_> ... and I will be doing one of the keynotes.
15:24:07 <Steven_> Topic: public-xformsusers
15:24:07 <Steven_> [No link]
15:24:28 <Steven_> Steven: So Mark Seaborne has said he'll pick up the baton for the CG
15:24:53 <Steven_> ... and he's working on it.
15:25:30 <Steven_> Steven: The implementations I mentioned to him are: The living ones I know of are: XSLTForms, Orbeon, BetterForms, CM Pro, Jadu, Inventive Designers, OpenOffice/LibreOffice, IBM Lotus. If I think of any more I'll let you know.
15:25:30 <Steven_> http://www.cmprofessionals.eu/nieuws/xforms-workbench-trial-edition-announced-(english-only).aspx
15:25:30 <Steven_> http://www.jadu.net/xforms-professional-forms-solution
15:25:30 <Steven_> https://www.scripturaengage.com/blog/xforms-20
15:27:11 <Steven_> Alain: ODK
15:27:16 <Steven_> Steven: This one? https://opendatakit.org/
15:27:44 <Steven_> Alain: That's it.
15:28:06 <Steven_> Topic: Making <repeat> more usable
15:28:06 <Steven_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2015Jul/0000.html
15:29:23 <Steven_> Erik: We have this in Orben
15:29:28 <Steven_> ... we use a component
15:29:28 <ebruchez> https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/wiki/Form-Runner-~-XBL-Components-~-Grid#basic-usage
15:29:40 <Steven_> s/Orben/Orbeon/
15:29:50 <Steven_> Erik: We have components based on XBL
15:30:08 <Steven_> ... it's a bit more specific than what you suggest.
15:30:22 <Steven_> ... Go to the link, and you will see something similar
15:31:12 <Steven_> ... there are constraints involved, frozen rows, and other things
15:31:29 <Steven_> Steven: I'll take a look
15:31:45 <Steven_> Erik: Let me find a link to a screenshot
15:31:58 <ebruchez> https://github.com/orbeon/orbeon-forms/wiki/Form-Builder-~-Repeated-Grids
15:32:33 <Steven_> Erik: Also allows you to move things
15:33:17 <Steven_> ... so basically I agree, you usually want the same thing, and that is more than XForms offers
15:34:03 <Steven_> Topic: AOB
15:34:07 <Steven_> Erik: Nothing
15:34:10 <Steven_> Alain: No thanks
15:34:27 <Steven_> [ADJOURN]
15:34:40 <Steven_> Present: Steven, Erik, Alain
15:34:45 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
15:34:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-forms-minutes.html Steven_
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