IRC log of pf on 2015-06-10

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/06/10-pf-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 42 minutes
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 10 June 2015
15:19:02 [janina]
agenda?
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Chair: Janina
15:19:07 [janina]
agenda: this
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agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes; Webex continued
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agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
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agenda+ Rechartering Continued
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agenda+ TPAC 2013; Extended Schedule
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agenda+ CSS and Grids
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agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
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agenda+ Other Task Force Updates; COGA; HTML-A11Y; SVG; D-Pub
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
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agenda+ be done
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16:00:34 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
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WAI_PF()12:00PM has not yet started, janina
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On IRC I see fesch, Zakim, RRSAgent, asurkov, MichaelC, janina, joanie, trackbot
16:01:04 [janina]
zakim, this will be wai_pf
16:01:04 [Zakim]
"wai_pf" matches WAI_PF()12:00PM, and WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)1:00PM, janina
16:02:11 [janina]
present+ Janina
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes; Webex continued" taken up [from janina]
16:05:38 [joanie]
present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:06:55 [fesch]
scribe: fesch
16:07:58 [fesch]
jk: any groups not transition to webex?
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jk: any comments about WebEx?
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:09:56 [fesch]
action-1629
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action-1629 -- James Nurthen to Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ -- due 2015-05-29 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1629
16:10:00 [MichaelC]
action-1629 due 2 weeks
16:10:00 [trackbot]
Set action-1629 Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ due date to 2015-06-24.
16:10:08 [ShaneM]
Present +ShaneM
16:10:13 [fesch]
action-1631
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action-1631 -- Shane McCarron to Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1631
16:10:46 [fesch]
action-1615
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action-1615 -- Janina Sajka to Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ -- due 2015-05-06 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1615
16:11:01 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:11:17 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/webstorage/ Web Storage (Second Edition)
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zakim, who is here?
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WAI_PF()12:00PM has not yet started, JF
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On IRC I see JF, ShaneM, fesch, Zakim, RRSAgent, asurkov, MichaelC, janina, joanie, trackbot
16:17:57 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/geofencing/ Geofencing API
16:19:15 [fesch]
mc: need to have use cases...
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js: We should ask for use cases
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mc: seems to me we should look at this
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js: and it would be from the use case side of things
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mc: the first comment is we need use cases from them
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js: without the use case, how do we know if the API meets the need
16:21:24 [fesch]
mc: no use cases on home page...
16:21:48 [fesch]
jf: privacy is TODO, maybe we should ask about accessibility
16:22:12 [fesch]
js: if they have us listed as a liaison, that may be good enough for now
16:22:30 [fesch]
ls: we have issues like that in COGA
16:22:35 [JF]
Q+
16:23:08 [fesch]
mc: I image they will have privacy section, potentially security...
16:23:28 [fesch]
mc: accessibility use cases - can be used in navigation devices
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js: discusses a use case...
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mc: can react to when you enter or leave a region.
16:25:15 [fesch]
mc: are there use cases for this that are problematic?
16:25:40 [fesch]
js: only if you want to change the boundary...narrower or wider than the norm
16:25:50 [richardschwerdtfeger]
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16:26:08 [janina]
ack jf
16:26:51 [fesch]
jf: we can guess about potential use cases.... ask them for use cases.... we need to know how they plan to use this.
16:27:45 [fesch]
js: Michael can send them a note about needed use cases
16:28:22 [fesch]
jf: need plain language...
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cs: don't know the scale, a sidewalk may be too small of boundary
16:28:59 [richardschwerdtfeger]
Present+ Rich
16:29:19 [fesch]
sm: this is a web app... but the determination of location occurs in your device
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cs: resolution is terrible
16:31:19 [fesch]
cs: usability issue, but that is at the app not the API
16:32:29 [fesch]
js: Michael to send message asking for use cases
16:34:13 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/epr/ Entry Point Regulation
16:36:26 [MichaelC]
action: nurthen to review Entry Point Regulation http://www.w3.org/TR/epr/ - due 2 weeks
16:36:26 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1648 - Review entry point regulation http://www.w3.org/tr/epr/ [on James Nurthen - due 2015-06-24].
16:36:59 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:37:35 [fesch]
zakim, close this item
16:37:35 [Zakim]
agendum 4 closed
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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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5. Rechartering Continued [from janina]
16:37:46 [MichaelC]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Rechartering Continued" taken up [from janina]
16:39:00 [fesch]
rs: are they going to submit the whole block or one at a time
16:39:19 [fesch]
mc: yes all at one time, but they look at them individually
16:39:48 [fesch]
js: we think the 30 day review will start in the next few days
16:40:22 [fesch]
js: we have been moving toward it already, like taking PF totally public
16:41:37 [fesch]
cs: there is a similar reorg happening in HTML and WebApps...
16:41:55 [fesch]
js: not sure what will happen to the task force...
16:42:11 [fesch]
cs: we might want to talk about it before, so we have influence
16:42:38 [fesch]
cs: they are talking about how HTML and WebApps should be organized, and it could be different
16:42:53 [fesch]
js: I think media will be seperate...
16:43:08 [fesch]
s/seperate/separate/
16:44:36 [fesch]
js: I think HTML has some loose ends, that need shoring up..
16:45:11 [fesch]
cs: no one seems interested in HTML 5.1.... they have a different culture - all email no phone call culture
16:45:52 [fesch]
cs: we might morph the HTML task force into WebApps task force...
16:46:57 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "TPAC 2013; Extended Schedule" taken up [from janina]
16:48:08 [fesch]
js: we are already acting like we have two groups, and ARIA might want some joint time with WebApps and APA might want joint time with ...j
16:48:35 [fesch]
rs: is the registration up?
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mc: I think it will be up in July
16:49:10 [fesch]
js: need to put reasons so people can get funded to go on the pages
16:49:25 [fesch]
zakim, next item
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agendum 7. "CSS and Grids" taken up [from janina]
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js: had an email exchange about grids and gss
16:50:25 [MichaelC]
-> http://gridstylesheets.org/ Grid Style Sheets
16:51:37 [fesch]
mc: css wg aware of gss, had implementation concerns
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mc: css has overlap, not a competitor
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mc: a11y issues - visual order not matching the DOM order
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/10-pf-minutes.html jamesn
16:56:28 [fesch]
mc: I don't see whether gss or grids work better...
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zakim, next item
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agendum 8. "ARIA.Next Items" taken up [from janina]
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Q+
16:57:41 [fesch]
js: expecting 48 hr call, next week
16:58:34 [fesch]
rs: may be around next Thursday night, dpub agreed to hyphenated names for roles. assuming dpub meets next week
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js: next week should not be to late
16:59:59 [fesch]
jf: related to ARIA, new attribute keyboard shortcuts... need to be mindful of coordinating with HTML access key
17:00:13 [fesch]
rs: access key only gives focus
17:00:21 [fesch]
jn: depends on the browser and element
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cs: it does sometimes actives things
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jn: sometimes it does
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rs: need the access key to be redone,
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cs: as part of the reorg - we need a fresh look at keyboard shortcuts
17:02:01 [JF]
ack JF
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jf: coordinating across three calls,
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rs: have it on agenda tomorrow
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rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:40 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/10-pf-minutes.html fesch