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15:18:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:18:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:18:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 42 minutes
15:18:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:18:39 <trackbot> Date: 10 June 2015
15:19:02 <janina> agenda?
15:19:07 <janina> Chair:  Janina
15:19:07 <janina> agenda: this
15:19:07 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes; Webex continued
15:19:07 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:19:08 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:19:10 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:19:12 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Continued
15:19:15 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2013; Extended Schedule
15:19:17 <janina> agenda+ CSS and Grids
15:19:20 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:19:22 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; HTML-A11Y; SVG; D-Pub
15:19:25 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:19:27 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:19:30 <janina> agenda+ be done
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16:00:34 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:00:36 <Zakim> WAI_PF()12:00PM has not yet started, janina
16:00:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see fesch, Zakim, RRSAgent, asurkov, MichaelC, janina, joanie, trackbot
16:01:04 <janina> zakim, this will be wai_pf
16:01:04 <Zakim> "wai_pf" matches WAI_PF()12:00PM, and WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)1:00PM, janina
16:02:11 <janina> present+ Janina
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16:04:35 <janina> zakim, next item
16:04:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes; Webex continued" taken up [from janina]
16:05:38 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:06:55 <fesch> scribe: fesch
16:07:58 <fesch> jk: any groups not transition to webex?
16:08:34 <fesch> jk: any comments about WebEx?
16:08:49 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:08:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:09:56 <fesch> action-1629
16:09:56 <trackbot> action-1629 -- James Nurthen to Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ -- due 2015-05-29 -- OPEN
16:09:56 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1629
16:10:00 <MichaelC> action-1629 due 2 weeks
16:10:00 <trackbot> Set action-1629 Review manifest for a web application http://www.w3.org/tr/appmanifest/ due date to 2015-06-24.
16:10:08 <ShaneM> Present +ShaneM
16:10:13 <fesch> action-1631
16:10:13 <trackbot> action-1631 -- Shane McCarron to Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN
16:10:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1631
16:10:46 <fesch> action-1615
16:10:46 <trackbot> action-1615 -- Janina Sajka to Review media capture and streams http://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ -- due 2015-05-06 -- OPEN
16:10:46 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1615
16:11:01 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:11:01 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:11:17 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/webstorage/ Web Storage (Second Edition)
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16:13:09 <JF> zakim, who is here?
16:13:09 <Zakim> WAI_PF()12:00PM has not yet started, JF
16:13:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, ShaneM, fesch, Zakim, RRSAgent, asurkov, MichaelC, janina, joanie, trackbot
16:17:57 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/geofencing/ Geofencing API
16:19:15 <fesch> mc: need to have use cases...
16:19:40 <fesch> js: We should ask for use cases
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16:19:54 <fesch> mc: seems to me we should look at this
16:20:10 <fesch> js: and it would be from the use case side of things
16:20:23 <fesch> mc: the first comment is we need use cases from them
16:20:57 <fesch> js: without the use case, how do we know if the API meets the need
16:21:24 <fesch> mc: no use cases on home page...
16:21:48 <fesch> jf: privacy is TODO, maybe we should ask about accessibility
16:22:12 <fesch> js: if they have us listed as a liaison, that may be good enough for now
16:22:30 <fesch> ls: we have issues like that in COGA
16:22:35 <JF> Q+
16:23:08 <fesch> mc: I image they will have privacy section, potentially security...
16:23:28 <fesch> mc: accessibility use cases - can be used in navigation devices
16:24:05 <fesch> js: discusses a use case...
16:24:25 <fesch> mc: can react to when you enter or leave a region.
16:25:15 <fesch> mc: are there use cases for this that are problematic?
16:25:40 <fesch> js: only if you want to change the boundary...narrower or wider than the norm
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16:26:08 <janina> ack jf
16:26:51 <fesch> jf: we can guess about potential use cases.... ask them for use cases.... we need to know how they plan  to use this.
16:27:45 <fesch> js: Michael can send them a note about needed use cases
16:28:22 <fesch> jf: need plain language...
16:28:40 <fesch> cs: don't know the scale, a sidewalk may be too small of boundary
16:28:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich
16:29:19 <fesch> sm: this is a web app... but the determination of location occurs in your device
16:29:34 <fesch> cs: resolution is terrible
16:31:19 <fesch> cs: usability issue, but that is at the app not the API
16:32:29 <fesch> js: Michael to send message asking for use cases
16:34:13 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/epr/ Entry Point Regulation
16:36:26 <MichaelC> action: nurthen to review Entry Point Regulation http://www.w3.org/TR/epr/ - due 2 weeks
16:36:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1648 - Review entry point regulation http://www.w3.org/tr/epr/ [on James Nurthen - due 2015-06-24].
16:36:59 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:36:59 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:37:35 <fesch> zakim, close this item
16:37:35 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
16:37:36 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:37:36 <Zakim> 5. Rechartering Continued [from janina]
16:37:46 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
16:37:46 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Rechartering Continued" taken up [from janina]
16:39:00 <fesch> rs: are they going to submit the whole block or one at a time
16:39:19 <fesch> mc: yes all at one time, but they look at them individually
16:39:48 <fesch> js: we think the 30 day review will start in the next few days
16:40:22 <fesch> js: we have been moving toward it already, like taking PF totally public
16:41:37 <fesch> cs: there is a similar reorg happening in HTML and WebApps...
16:41:55 <fesch> js: not sure what will happen to the task force...
16:42:11 <fesch> cs: we might want to talk about it before, so we have influence
16:42:38 <fesch> cs: they are talking about how HTML and WebApps should be organized, and it could be different
16:42:53 <fesch> js: I think media will be seperate...
16:43:08 <fesch> s/seperate/separate/
16:44:36 <fesch> js: I think HTML has some loose ends, that need shoring up..
16:45:11 <fesch> cs: no one seems interested in HTML 5.1.... they have a different culture - all email no phone call culture
16:45:52 <fesch> cs: we might morph the HTML task force into WebApps task force...
16:46:57 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:46:57 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC 2013; Extended Schedule" taken up [from janina]
16:48:08 <fesch> js: we are already acting like we have two groups, and ARIA might want some joint time with WebApps and APA might want joint time with ...j
16:48:35 <fesch> rs: is the registration up?
16:48:50 <fesch> mc: I think it will be up in July
16:49:10 <fesch> js: need to put reasons so people can get funded to go on the pages
16:49:25 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:49:25 <Zakim> agendum 7. "CSS and Grids" taken up [from janina]
16:49:52 <fesch> js: had an email exchange about grids and gss
16:50:25 <MichaelC> -> http://gridstylesheets.org/ Grid Style Sheets
16:51:37 <fesch> mc: css wg aware of gss, had implementation concerns
16:52:27 <fesch> mc: css has overlap, not a competitor
16:52:47 <fesch> mc: a11y issues - visual order not matching the DOM order
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16:53:16 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:53:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/10-pf-minutes.html jamesn
16:56:28 <fesch> mc: I don't see whether gss or grids work better...
16:57:00 <fesch> zakim, next item
16:57:00 <Zakim> agendum 8. "ARIA.Next Items" taken up [from janina]
16:57:03 <JF> Q+
16:57:41 <fesch> js: expecting 48 hr call, next week
16:58:34 <fesch> rs: may be around next Thursday night, dpub agreed to hyphenated names for roles. assuming dpub meets next week
16:58:44 <fesch> js: next week should not be to late
16:59:59 <fesch> jf: related to ARIA, new attribute keyboard shortcuts... need to be mindful of coordinating with HTML access key
17:00:13 <fesch> rs: access key only gives focus
17:00:21 <fesch> jn: depends on the browser and element
17:00:43 <fesch> cs: it does sometimes actives things
17:00:57 <fesch> jn: sometimes it does
17:01:14 <fesch> rs: need the access key to be redone,
17:01:50 <fesch> cs: as part of the reorg - we need a fresh look at keyboard shortcuts
17:02:01 <JF> ack JF
17:02:07 <fesch> jf: coordinating across three calls,
17:02:19 <fesch> rs: have it on agenda tomorrow
17:02:40 <fesch> 	rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/10-pf-minutes.html fesch