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<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
<Lisa_Seeman> MichaelC reminder we can not start the webex without you!
<Lisa_Seeman> or check the audio etc
<MichaelC> you should be able to
<MichaelC> 5 minutes before the call
<Lisa_Seeman> not giving em audio
<Lisa_Seeman> ayelet are you on webex
<Lisa_Seeman> audio is not working
i think we might need michael to join to have audio
<MichaelC> only see Ayelet on it
<Lisa_Seeman> I lgged back in
<Lisa_Seeman> now i seem to have audio
<Lisa_Seeman> scribe:ayelet_s
waiting for quorum
<Lisa_Seeman> next item
<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
<Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/user-research/aging.html
LS: updated the techniques and aging.
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
LS: mid June, techniques should
be ready for the next draft
... but we need E. A. and Niell's contributions, who aren't on
the call
... could we close action items that were open for over a
year?
MC: if they are no longer needed
LS: action 10 - is needed. will
see if she could ping Suzanne to do it
... action 13 - review of aria - not needed, will be
closed
... action 17: usability review, still needed
... Review daisy and epub - unneeded
... dyscalculia and numbers, neill and E.a. will add
... interoperable paper - Mike wrote 2 drafts, will consult
before closing
... rich will Ask gotfreid if we can review urc
... Ayelet did initial check on harmonizing taxonomies, will
continue working on the harmonization
... Check that litral or mefor is in the page of suggested aria
sematics done
<Lisa_Seeman> next item
LS: had a concern - priority of helping SVG vs. giving the WCAG support deliverables
<Lisa_Seeman> June 7th: Release of 2nd editors draft of techniques - to include more techniques including for numbers and restructuring 31st July - Frease 1st Working Draft to go to WCAG and PF for approval for: Issue papers, Techniques, Gap analysis 31st August Editors draft of the roadmap 1st November Editors draft for information for WCAG 1st November 2nd Working Draft of user research module 1st...
<Lisa_Seeman> ...December Editors draft of the glossary
LS: deadlines are important
because WCAG put in their deadlines having a COGA extension by
november
...
RS: SVG might go slowly, and take pieces of it. have a lot to do about providing semantics for graphics and robots at the moment. if we have ideas for navigation, that will be welcome.
MC: in the short term, what will
be done will be more in the category of techniques. the rest is
further down the road
... so far, nothing SVG specific
... gap analysis originally against WCAG.
LS: it will need a phase 2
<Lisa_Seeman> next item
<Lisa_Seeman> next item
discussion: when will aria modules be ready
<MichaelC> Draft ARIA charter
<Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015May/0046.html
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Syntax_for_adaptable_links_and_buttons
In terms of charter: if the coga group splits, we will joint work between groups
*MC:
LS: the idea is to have aria like semantics where people could list the function/task, importance, numbers free alterntive text, etc.
Rich: wouldn't make it a role, but aria-function, or aria-task
LS: prefers the term function, in case we need the term task later on
<Lisa_Seeman> prosal for aria-function
<Lisa_Seeman> +1
does anyone object or has alternative suggestions?
+1
RS: will be a joint deliverable for the aria group and whichever group COGA is joined to
LS:
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: Lisa to right up the aria proposal as requirment and add aria-function [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/18-coga-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Right up the aria proposal as requirment and add aria-function [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-05-25].
will need 1) aria-function; 2) aria-importance; 3) number free text, 4) non literal
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/draft-aria-charter
MC: should focus on on requirements rather than semantics
Rich: timelines - in charter, working draft by 2017
LS: need it by November 2015, as WCAG need it for then
if we don't push for that day, any changes will be in next version
RS: need it to be reviewed by both groups by that date
LS: 1st public working draft by
Nov 2015
... we have 5 volunteers making JSON scripts, including out of
W3C
... believes it will take one year further
... November 2015: first working draft. November 2016: CR
RS: do you believe it will go quickly from CR to recommendation?
LS: 5 different organisations implementing
Janina: better early than late, so better be careful with the dates
LS: fine with longer gap between 1st working draft and CR
Michael: how long will it be in CR?
RS: guess 6 months - August 2017
1st public working draft: november 2015. CR draft: January 2017. PR draft: Jan 2018.
PR: May 2018. gives longer for multiple CRs
Michael: April 2018 for recommendation
LS: concerned with wcag
MC: wcag recommends techniques
twice a year
... timelines for WCAG extensions are seperate issue
LS: concerned with WCAG extensions. could they use techniques in working draft
<richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: Regrets for next 2 weeks as I am on vacation
MC: it will be in recommendations. we could have recommendations not dependant on aria
LS: such techniques will be horrible
MC: wcag had some horrible techniques. strongly disrecommends teqhniques that rely only on one technology
LS: would like aria to see how much it could be synched
<Lisa_Seeman> MC: do not depend on one technology for wcag
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