IRC log of ldp on 2015-05-11
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/05/11-ldp-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be LDP
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- ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 11 May 2015
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- SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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- +deiu
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- +OpenLink_Software
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- +Arnaud
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- Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
- 14:01:35 [Zakim]
- +MacTed; got it
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- Zakim, mute me
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- MacTed should now be muted
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- +bblfish
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- +EricP
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- Zakim, MacTed is really me
- 14:03:50 [Zakim]
- +TallTed; got it
- 14:04:57 [deiu]
- scribenick: deiu
- 14:05:14 [Arnaud]
- Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27
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- Topic: approval of minutes from last call
- 14:05:32 [Arnaud]
- Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27
- 14:05:35 [deiu]
- Arnaud: I was wondering if I should give that up at this point...
- 14:05:57 [TallTed]
- May 25 == Memorial Day in USA
- 14:05:58 [deiu]
- ...we'll be meeting again in 2 weeks, with 2 open actions
- 14:06:19 [TallTed]
- regrets from me for May 25
- 14:06:21 [Zakim]
- +Roger
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- Arnaud: Andrei hasn't yet completed his action (he promises to do it this week)
- 14:06:51 [deiu]
- ...no news from Rob either so I guess his action is till pending
- 14:07:02 [deiu]
- Topic: paging
- 14:07:36 [deiu]
- Arnaud: the next step, if we don't force any change, and if people won't step up and say they plan to implement it, then we have to turn it into a WG note
- 14:08:21 [deiu]
- ...if we are to recharter the LDP WG (which I am now more optimistic about), I don't know if we should leave it as a WD, or publish it as a note
- 14:08:21 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:08:23 [nmihindu]
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- 14:08:25 [MiguelAraCo]
- Umbreon21
- 14:08:33 [deiu]
- ...what do people think about it?
- 14:08:54 [deiu]
- ...publishing it as a WG note shouldn't take too much time
- 14:09:31 [deiu]
- ...also, from a process p.o.v. doesn't prevent LDPNext to pick it up and continue working on it
- 14:09:33 [bblfish]
- seems like a good idea. I can't implement it just because there is so much work on other things.
- 14:09:47 [deiu]
- ...so my conclusion is to publish it as a WG note right now
- 14:09:52 [MiguelAraCo]
- Zakim, IPcaller is me
- 14:09:52 [Zakim]
- +MiguelAraCo; got it
- 14:10:08 [deiu]
- Arnaud: the current charter expires at the end of July (soon)
- 14:10:12 [roger]
- +1 to publishing as a note
- 14:10:18 [deiu]
- ...we should work on publishing it as a WG note by then
- 14:10:56 [deiu]
- ericP: did you ask around during the LDP f2f if people were interested in implementing
- 14:11:07 [deiu]
- Arnaud: yes, there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm
- 14:11:25 [deiu]
- ...paging as it is drafted now is not what people seem to want
- 14:11:35 [deiu]
- ...people want more control from the client perspective
- 14:11:56 [deiu]
- ...people are also interested in the context of query/search mechanism
- 14:12:04 [bblfish]
- q+
- 14:12:31 [deiu]
- ericP: was there a contrast between that and SPARQL? (i.e. SPARQL describe)
- 14:12:32 [Arnaud]
- ack bblfish
- 14:13:16 [deiu]
- bblfish: describe works if you have a structured document that is going to come back; in Atom, the paging made sense because results were returned in a certain order, which is not the case for RDF
- 14:13:23 [MiguelAraCo]
- s/Umbreon21//
- 14:13:29 [deiu]
- Arnaud: we had paging in the context of containers
- 14:14:08 [deiu]
- ...anyway, I found it interesting that paging is not really attractive right now in its current shape
- 14:15:12 [deiu]
- ...if we decide to publish it as a WG, we will need a formal resolution
- 14:15:49 [deiu]
- ...for now I have assumed that it's still a work in progress, but I haven't heard anyone trying to intervene and stop me
- 14:16:11 [deiu]
- Arnaud: should we just do that?
- 14:16:25 [Arnaud]
- PROPOSED: remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note
- 14:16:30 [deiu]
- bblfish: I find it nicely structured, so it's worth publishing as a note
- 14:16:34 [deiu]
- +1
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- +q
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- q-
- 14:16:45 [TallTed]
- +0
- 14:16:46 [bblfish]
- +1
- 14:16:48 [roger]
- +1
- 14:16:49 [MiguelAraCo]
- +1
- 14:16:51 [ericP]
- +0
- 14:17:20 [Arnaud]
- RESOLVED: remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note
- 14:17:32 [deiu]
- Arnaud: even if we publish it as a WG note, we can still move it to REC if we get people saying they've implemented it
- 14:17:44 [deiu]
- ...maybe Ashok can take a pass at it
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- ...or I can do it
- 14:18:01 [Zakim]
- +??P17
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- Topic: LD Patch
- 14:18:08 [deiu]
- Arnaud: any progress there?
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- q+
- 14:18:14 [nmihindu]
- Zakim, ??P17 is me
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- +nmihindu; got it
- 14:18:16 [Arnaud]
- ack deiu
- 14:18:24 [nmihindu]
- Zakim, mute me
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- nmihindu should now be muted
- 14:19:07 [nmihindu]
- LDP4j does not implement paging at the moment.
- 14:19:09 [deiu]
- Arnaud: anyone implementing LD Patch, other than Alexandre and PA?
- 14:19:27 [deiu]
- nmihindu, we're talking about LD Patch now :)
- 14:20:14 [TallTed]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- TallTed should no longer be muted
- 14:20:25 [nmihindu]
- deiu, thanks! same goes for LD Patch :)
- 14:20:35 [deiu]
- Arnaud: we need at least 2 independent implementations (3 would be better)
- 14:20:50 [deiu]
- TallTed: I think we might have people working on it, I'll ask around
- 14:20:53 [deiu]
- Topic: LDP primer
- 14:20:56 [TallTed]
- Zakim, mute me
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- TallTed should now be muted
- 14:21:07 [nmihindu]
- no
- 14:21:15 [deiu]
- Arnaud: I realized that we never actually published more than the FPWD
- 14:21:16 [nmihindu]
- we published it as a note
- 14:21:32 [nmihindu]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp-primer/
- 14:22:21 [deiu]
- Arnaud: my bad, I had a browser cache issue. It didn't show as a WG note
- 14:22:42 [deiu]
- Topic: LDP next
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- Arnaud: Andrei has the action item to publish the new draft
- 14:22:58 [deiu]
- q+
- 14:23:05 [bblfish]
- do we have a link?
- 14:23:10 [deiu]
- ...we need to do that fast
- 14:23:12 [bblfish]
- q+
- 14:23:35 [deiu]
- ...the process is quite slow, so we need to move fast since our group expires at the end of July
- 14:24:01 [deiu]
- ...one of the things that didn't make the cut at the f2f was POSTing multiple resources
- 14:24:19 [deiu]
- ...we did talk about GETting multiple resources (i.e. inline on GET)
- 14:24:34 [deiu]
- ...in the Social Web WG we had people doing this already
- 14:24:53 [bblfish]
- yes, that would be interesting to POST a whole zip of files
- 14:25:20 [deiu]
- ...some of us are interested in using LDP in the context of the Social Web WG, so my point is that we didn't put on the list "creating multiple resources with one POST"
- 14:25:21 [bblfish]
- +1 for that
- 14:25:25 [deiu]
- +1 too
- 14:25:54 [deiu]
- Arnaud: if we define inlining through multipart, it shouldn't be too complicated to do this for POST
- 14:26:06 [deiu]
- ...we need to start the discussion as soon as possible
- 14:26:14 [nmihindu]
- +1 we also had a use case of POSTing inlined/multiple documents
- 14:26:39 [deiu]
- Arnaud: Andrei will handle the process re. taking the charter to W3M
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- ack deiu
- 14:27:22 [Arnaud]
- ack bblfish
- 14:27:29 [deiu]
- ...to avoid discontinuity, we need to work on this now
- 14:27:58 [deiu]
- bblfish: I thought the Social Web WG mentioned something interesting -- i.e. a notification mechanism
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- 14:28:12 [deiu]
- ...I wondered if that shouldn't be added to the charter
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- Arnaud: you can bring it up once Andrei sends the new charter for review by the group
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- q+
- 14:29:10 [deiu]
- Arnaud: at the meetup we made an effort to pick the 5 top items we can work on
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- ...to avoid failing because of too many goals
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- q-
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- q+
- 14:29:44 [Arnaud]
- ack deiu
- 14:30:48 [TallTed]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- TallTed should no longer be muted
- 14:31:59 [deiu]
- TallTed: I don't remember the meeting being "official", so I'm not sure what real weight the proposed items have
- 14:32:20 [deiu]
- Arnaud: you're right, those may not be the _final_ items
- 14:32:53 [deiu]
- TallTed: just a reminder, two weeks from now there's a US holiday
- 14:33:17 [deiu]
- Arnaud: let's meet on June 1st then
- 14:33:28 [deiu]
- q+
- 14:33:36 [bblfish]
- +1
- 14:33:43 [Arnaud]
- ack deiu
- 14:34:19 [deiu]
- Arnaud: ok, let's do that; we're meeting on June 1st next time
- 14:34:44 [deiu]
- ...I think we're done for the time being
- 14:34:49 [bblfish]
- thanks
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- -nmihindu
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- -MiguelAraCo
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- -TallTed
- 14:34:53 [deiu]
- ...thank you all!
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- -Roger
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- -Arnaud
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- -bblfish
- 14:35:02 [deiu]
- [meeting adjourned]
- 14:35:04 [Arnaud]
- trackbot, end meeting
- 14:35:04 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 14:35:04 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been deiu, Arnaud, bblfish, EricP, TallTed, Roger, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu
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- -deiu
- 14:35:12 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 14:35:12 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/11-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
- 14:35:13 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 14:35:13 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items