IRC log of aria on 2015-04-28
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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- Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 28 April 2015
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- zakim, who's here?
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- WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM has not yet started, janina
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, jamesn, clown, mgylling, newtron, joanie, MichaelC, janina_, ed, janina, trackbot
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- zakim, this will be WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM
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- ok, janina; I see WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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- zakim, who's here?
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- WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM has not yet started, janina
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, jamesn, clown, mgylling, newtron, joanie, MichaelC, janina_, ed, janina, trackbot
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- zakim, this will be 92473
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- ok, janina; I see Team_(aria)17:00Z scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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- zakim, who's here?
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- Team_(aria)17:00Z has not yet started, janina
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, jamesn, clown, mgylling, newtron, joanie, MichaelC, janina_, ed, janina, trackbot
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- zakim, this will be Team_(aria)17:00Z
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- ok, janina, I see Team_(aria)17:00Z already started
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see ??P0
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, jamesn, clown, mgylling, newtron, joanie, MichaelC, janina_, ed, janina, trackbot
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- zakim, ??P0 is me
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- +janina; got it
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- Chair: RichS
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- scribe: janina
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- +Tzviya
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- +Fred_Esch
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- zakim, dial ivan-voip
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- ok, ivan; the call is being made
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- +Ivan
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, IPcaller is mgarrish
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- +mgarrish; got it
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- +ShaneM
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- +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- +Joanmarie_Diggs
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- +Markus
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- +??P12
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see janina, Tzviya, Fred_Esch, Ivan, mgarrish, ShaneM, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joanmarie_Diggs, Markus, Michael_Cooper (muted)
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- rich: Suggest to start looking at what raised issues not yet resolved
- 17:02:41 [tzviya]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html
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- +[GVoice]
- 17:03:12 [clown]
- zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
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- zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- +[Apple]
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- Zakim, Apple is jcraig
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- +jcraig; got it
- 17:03:51 [janina]
- ts: Spent time preparing for this call, prefix is issue
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- ts: Concerned to understand what an ARIA "module" actually is
- 17:04:37 [janina]
- rs: Situations like role "part" will be a problem
- 17:04:47 [janina]
- tz: But not resolved before FPWD?
- 17:04:58 [janina]
- rs: Don't think so, but others may have other view.
- 17:05:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:05:13 [tzviya]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#co-evolution
- 17:06:21 [janina]
- janina: Noting that early 1.0 implementations burned our spec development -- People are now careful from that experience
- 17:06:30 [jcraig]
- q+ to say FPWD is first opportunity to implement. Reluctance to change implemented values was a major drawback.
- 17:06:44 [janina]
- rs: We have a different situation here, but it does explain the careful approach
- 17:06:47 [jcraig]
- ack me
- 17:06:47 [Zakim]
- jcraig, you wanted to say FPWD is first opportunity to implement. Reluctance to change implemented values was a major drawback.
- 17:07:21 [janina]
- jc: Yes, early adoption of properties and role values that weren't best choice, but we were later reluctant to improve because of existing implementations
- 17:08:04 [ivan]
- +1 to put a note in the document
- 17:08:15 [janina]
- jc: Even if it stays for FPWD, issues with known problems should be well labeled to avoid implementations
- 17:08:25 [mgylling]
- +1 to put notes in the document for all props with issues
- 17:08:43 [janina]
- ts: Certainly OK with adding notes, but have a proposal ...
- 17:09:02 [janina]
- mg: Started with Shane's email comments ...
- 17:10:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q+
- 17:10:18 [janina]
- mg: Struck by RDFA comments, lack of same flexibility, i.e. global
- 17:10:34 [ShaneM]
- Note that the Role Attribute Recommendation ALREADY supports @vocab as a way of changing the default vocabulary for @role
- 17:10:42 [janina]
- mg: Seems rdfa considered multiiple vocabs
- 17:10:45 [tzviya]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2015AprJun/0031.html
- 17:11:00 [ShaneM]
- ARIA doesn't necessarily embrace this presently
- 17:11:04 [janina]
- mg: The rdfa approach would be very helpful for us
- 17:11:39 [tzviya]
- q+
- 17:11:49 [janina]
- mg: q becomes is it a good idea to pack things into a single vocab
- 17:12:04 [janina]
- mg: concerned with maintanance
- 17:12:12 [ShaneM]
- q+
- 17:12:14 [ivan]
- q+
- 17:12:16 [jcraig]
- q+ to say that potentially solves parsing confusion, but not author confusion.
- 17:12:31 [ShaneM]
- ack richardschwerdtfeger
- 17:12:58 [janina]
- rs: Unfortunately, will be pulling semantics for tests, drawings, etc., etc., and all that will end up in books
- 17:13:20 [janina]
- rs: And we have no way to switch vocabs on the fly
- 17:13:39 [janina]
- rs: What happens to an svg drawing in the middle of a book? Etc.
- 17:14:35 [janina]
- mg: This an age-old problem now ...
- 17:15:10 [janina]
- mg: But declaring a default then using the available mechanism to declare additional should help
- 17:15:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:15:50 [janina]
- mg: If PF will expand and involve other content domains, can there really be one list?
- 17:15:54 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack tzviya
- 17:16:00 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:16:38 [janina]
- ts: Just want to note that we believe there are existing roles that we believe will be more generally useful -- without prefix,
- 17:16:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack ShaneM
- 17:16:49 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:17:20 [janina]
- sm: Don't believe any AT's support vocab switch, but the spec does support
- 17:17:36 [clown]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/role-attribute/
- 17:17:49 [janina]
- sm: Vocab is not the solution, vocab is good to use, but the switch won't solve the problem
- 17:18:15 [janina]
- sm: Please remember we're trying to expose meaningful semantics for a11y
- 17:18:21 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack ivan
- 17:19:18 [janina]
- ivan: Noting how it works in rdfa, vocab attrib on anything, so ...
- 17:19:26 [janina]
- ivan: think it should be different for aria
- 17:19:40 [janina]
- ivan: we think there are values that should be global
- 17:20:03 [janina]
- ivan: suggest working out what's global and what's local to a particular doc
- 17:20:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:20:21 [janina]
- ivan: Don't understand why rdfa switch isn't a solution, even if it's not the best solution
- 17:21:07 [janina]
- sm: Syntax is well defined, but not for additional name spaces
- 17:21:39 [jcraig]
- ack me
- 17:21:39 [Zakim]
- jcraig, you wanted to say that potentially solves parsing confusion, but not author confusion.
- 17:21:44 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack jcraig
- 17:21:49 [janina]
- sm: Don't know how to say XX is an ARIA term, not a generic
- 17:22:04 [janina]
- jc: My main concern is author confusion
- 17:22:19 [janina]
- jc: Unlikely a definitve source of values
- 17:22:27 [janina]
- s/definite/definitive/
- 17:22:51 [janina]
- jc: Agree we will find globally useful terms
- 17:23:09 [jcraig]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#text
- 17:23:20 [jcraig]
- As with any ARIA 1.1 role, authors may provide a fallback ARIA 1.0 role.
- 17:23:45 [janina]
- jc: Future of ARIA was set up to have chain of roles
- 17:24:02 [jcraig]
- <p>I <span role="text img" aria-label="love">♥︎</span> New York.</p>
- 17:24:22 [ShaneM]
- From an ontology perspective, if we are creating independent vocabularies, it would be MUCH better to use dpub:foo than dpub-foo. Then then semantics are well understood
- 17:25:14 [janina]
- jc: Best path is to start with prefix, and wait for review and adoption to promote some to generic
- 17:25:30 [janina]
- jc: no risk of name trampling this way
- 17:25:37 [ShaneM]
- note that @prefix is part of HTML 5 and allows definition of the mappings from a prefix to a URI
- 17:25:56 [ShaneM]
- so follow your nose interpretation of terms comes for free
- 17:26:05 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:26:11 [tzviya]
- q+
- 17:26:41 [jcraig]
- q+ shaneM to explain @prefix is part of HTML 5 and allows definition of the mappings from a prefix to a URI
- 17:26:42 [janina]
- rs: Q: Won't the mark up for epub be auto-generated? by author tools? not by hand?
- 17:26:46 [ivan]
- q+
- 17:27:17 [janina]
- mg: Tried over the past years, but hasn't succeeded so far
- 17:27:23 [janina]
- jc: Can you explain the concern?
- 17:27:38 [janina]
- mg: People do still hand code
- 17:28:24 [janina]
- mg: It's a hard sell in the epub world, these are people who probably care more than anyone about semantics--that's historic to publishing
- 17:29:26 [janina]
- mg: Concerned that starting with prefix, but after sometime transitioning to a generic role would be a problem as well
- 17:29:35 [janina]
- mg: We would be stuck actually
- 17:29:42 [jcraig]
- fallback role set up to support="chapter pub-chapter"
- 17:29:42 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:29:53 [jcraig]
- role="chapter pub-chapter"
- 17:30:32 [ShaneM]
- note that role="chapter pub:chapter" is also supported
- 17:30:42 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- :-P
- 17:30:44 [janina]
- jc: At least in webkit, adding prefixes is trivial, so not as concerned about prefix petrification
- 17:31:40 [ShaneM]
- and prefix="pub: http://www.example.org/myvocab#"
- 17:31:45 [ShaneM]
- q?
- 17:31:48 [janina]
- jc: notes that role=none for role=presentation was one line of code in webkit
- 17:31:53 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack tzviya
- 17:31:53 [ivan]
- ack tzviya
- 17:32:25 [janina]
- ts: hyphen is valid?
- 17:32:33 [janina]
- rs: yes
- 17:33:06 [janina]
- ts: our goal is wide adoption, we had problem with takeup in epub
- 17:33:34 [jcraig]
- role="pub-abstract summary"
- 17:34:06 [janina]
- rs: Noting we're considering a draft ....
- 17:34:23 [janina]
- rs: What if we put the prefix in for fpwd, add a note, then go discuss with pubs
- 17:34:48 [janina]
- rs: This would actually lock in semantics, no one could take them elsewhere
- 17:35:14 [jcraig]
- q+ to mention that the role parsing in UAs is a flat list, so the dpub roles could be used outside the epub context... just in regular web apps
- 17:35:43 [janina]
- ts: Noting current participants are pub representatives, that's why we're here
- 17:36:05 [janina]
- rs: Still trying to understand why it's a problem
- 17:36:21 [janina]
- rs: Recall the concern for validation, but we can achieve that
- 17:36:28 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:36:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack shaneM
- 17:36:32 [Zakim]
- shaneM, you wanted to explain @prefix is part of HTML 5 and allows definition of the mappings from a prefix to a URI
- 17:36:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack shaneM
- 17:38:04 [janina]
- rs: Noting our history arguing with HTML over the delimiter -- half a year over hyphen vs colon
- 17:38:41 [janina]
- sm: Noting again that machine understanding for semantics is well defined by rdfa
- 17:39:11 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:39:17 [janina]
- q+
- 17:39:46 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack ivan
- 17:40:27 [janina]
- ivan: Skeptical that people will use only authoring tools, it hasn't yet happened, still have to go into code from time to time
- 17:40:40 [janina]
- ivan: If someone can pull this off for HTML, o0utstanding
- 17:41:03 [jcraig]
- q+ to say especially hand coding the javascript: el.setAttribute("role", "bagel");
- 17:41:13 [janina]
- q-
- 17:41:41 [ShaneM]
- q+ to talk about why using @vocab is not the solution
- 17:41:52 [janina]
- ivan: Our problem is that publishers would have difficulty using prefix
- 17:42:23 [jcraig]
- ack Sh
- 17:42:23 [Zakim]
- ShaneM, you wanted to talk about why using @vocab is not the solution
- 17:43:04 [janina]
- sm: Today ARIA spec doesn't indicate that vocab controls -- a substantial problem because we already have many implementations
- 17:43:33 [janina]
- ivan: which is why I don't like vocab, it's not the same as rdfa
- 17:43:52 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q+
- 17:43:59 [ShaneM]
- so its @role-vocab?
- 17:44:12 [janina]
- ivan: believe we're offering roles that will work for many communities
- 17:44:56 [ShaneM]
- defines the URI prefix for naked terms used in attribute values
- 17:45:01 [janina]
- ivan: role vocab would define a dom subtree, where we could use terms without prefix
- 17:45:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:45:30 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack jcraig
- 17:45:30 [Zakim]
- jcraig, you wanted to mention that the role parsing in UAs is a flat list, so the dpub roles could be used outside the epub context... just in regular web apps and to say
- 17:45:33 [Zakim]
- ... especially hand coding the javascript: el.setAttribute("role", "bagel");
- 17:46:02 [janina]
- jc: Don't want to digress but understand xh+rdfa complaint was runtime access to on line
- 17:46:05 [janina]
- ivan: not the case here
- 17:46:09 [ShaneM]
- XHTML2 never required that sort of external resource retrieval... but whatever
- 17:46:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:46:37 [janina]
- ivan: I want to keep away from rdfa
- 17:46:55 [ShaneM]
- q+ to ask what happens to references to core roles?
- 17:47:02 [janina]
- ian: we're defining a module that makes the author's life simpler
- 17:47:31 [jcraig]
- q?
- 17:47:37 [janina]
- rs: so if we put vocab at beginning, start role=chapter, then mid point we put an svg drawing
- 17:47:40 [janina]
- rs: what happens?
- 17:47:41 [ShaneM]
- AND what gets passed to the AT
- 17:48:03 [janina]
- rs: Note we're also talking attribs, not just roles
- 17:48:18 [jcraig]
- q+ to mention that the role parsing in UAs is a flat list, so the dpub roles could be used outside the epub context... just in regular web apps
- 17:48:38 [jcraig]
- q+ to say especially hand coding the javascript: el.setAttribute("role", "bagel");
- 17:48:46 [ShaneM]
- remember that a role name is not just a string of characters. it conveys rich semantic information that influences the current element and its children?
- 17:48:49 [jcraig]
- q+ ShaneM later
- 17:48:56 [ShaneM]
- s/children?/children!/
- 17:48:57 [janina]
- ivan: is it much more complex for the author to make those switches?
- 17:49:10 [jcraig]
- q later ShaneM
- 17:49:20 [janina]
- ivan: we know we don't have a 100% solution, we're deciding among suboptimal solutions
- 17:49:25 [jcraig]
- q+ later ShaneM
- 17:49:45 [jcraig]
- ack me
- 17:49:45 [Zakim]
- jcraig, you wanted to mention that the role parsing in UAs is a flat list, so the dpub roles could be used outside the epub context... just in regular web apps and to say
- 17:49:48 [Zakim]
- ... especially hand coding the javascript: el.setAttribute("role", "bagel");
- 17:49:50 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack richardschwerdtfeger
- 17:50:40 [ShaneM]
- q?
- 17:51:06 [janina]
- jc: noting that javascript is often hand coded
- 17:51:42 [janina]
- jc: all roles are parsed as in a flat list, anyone can use any role in any context
- 17:51:55 [janina]
- q+
- 17:52:21 [tzviya]
- q+
- 17:52:31 [ShaneM]
- technically role="main" today should be passed to the AT as http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#main
- 17:52:42 [ShaneM]
- I know that it is not... but it should have been.
- 17:52:58 [ShaneM]
- ack me
- 17:52:58 [Zakim]
- ShaneM, you wanted to ask what happens to references to core roles? and to and to ask what happens to references to core roles? and to and to
- 17:53:02 [ivan]
- ack ShaneM
- 17:53:02 [ivan]
- ack later
- 17:53:03 [Zakim]
- later, you wanted to ask what happens to references to core roles? and to and to
- 17:53:04 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack ShaneM
- 17:54:13 [janina]
- sm: implication that nonvocab specific generic terms will still be available ??
- 17:54:42 [janina]
- sm: role=baegel main
- 17:54:54 [janina]
- sm: need at that knows "this is the main content"
- 17:55:08 [janina]
- sm: just don't understand how it mapps out
- 17:55:12 [mgylling]
- q+
- 17:55:13 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:55:53 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack janina
- 17:56:43 [ShaneM]
- +1
- 17:56:43 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:56:51 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack tzviya
- 17:57:02 [ShaneM]
- URIs are SUCH a good way of disambiguating terms
- 17:57:04 [ivan]
- q+
- 17:57:10 [janina]
- janina: suggesting we're pushing user agents to be smarter with domain specific semantics
- 17:57:43 [joanie]
- q+
- 17:57:49 [mgylling]
- q-
- 17:57:57 [janina]
- rs: Clearly we have more discussion, but what gets us to an fpwd?
- 17:58:06 [jcraig]
- prefix placeholder is the only suggestions I've heard that will satisfy me for a FPWD
- 17:58:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 17:58:42 [jcraig]
- ack in
- 17:58:42 [ivan]
- ack ivan
- 17:58:51 [ShaneM]
- +1 to adding notes about role values that are of concern
- 17:59:18 [janina]
- ivan: Make the situation clear, publish as is but note the prefix concern in a global way
- 17:59:30 [janina]
- ivan: add both solutions discussed, and ask for comments
- 18:00:04 [janina]
- ivan: clearly note this needs solution before the document can progress
- 18:00:16 [jcraig]
- q+ if you publish without profixes, you need a clear RFC-2119 "User Agents MUST NOT implement this FPWD"
- 18:00:20 [ShaneM]
- sorry _ uave to leave
- 18:00:21 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 18:00:28 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ack joanie
- 18:00:31 [jcraig]
- q+ to say if you publish without profixes, you need a clear RFC-2119 "User Agents MUST NOT implement this FPWD"
- 18:00:33 [Zakim]
- -ShaneM
- 18:01:15 [janina]
- jd: like most of the proposed roles, suggest putting a subset of these as fpwd
- 18:02:20 [janina]
- ivan: yes because i believe mosttterms are indeed generic, but no because we need to vet the problem terms and approaches
- 18:02:56 [jcraig]
- ack me
- 18:02:56 [Zakim]
- jcraig, you wanted to say if you publish without profixes, you need a clear RFC-2119 "User Agents MUST NOT implement this FPWD"
- 18:02:57 [janina]
- q+ to say that we particularly want input on the problem parts
- 18:02:57 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- q?
- 18:03:17 [janina]
- jc: suggest a clear rfc2119 "MUST NOT" implement
- 18:03:30 [tzviya]
- q+
- 18:03:41 [janina]
- jc: Could also take the generally agreed ones directly into aria-1.1
- 18:04:33 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- we are looking to get into cr later this year
- 18:04:38 [janina]
- ts: gets fpwd, but what to do with the problem terms isn't vetted
- 18:04:42 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- toward year end
- 18:05:11 [janina]
- rs: also discussion in pf of how modules work
- 18:05:36 [janina]
- jc: don't understand why publishing is waiting on this?
- 18:05:49 [janina]
- ts: not everything is epub
- 18:06:08 [Zakim]
- -jcraig
- 18:07:20 [janina]
- rs: the role attrib will validate, which helps pub
- 18:07:44 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- aria-value=
- 18:07:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- “pub”
- 18:08:10 [janina]
- ivan: likes rs's idea -- we're trying to get proposals
- 18:10:47 [Zakim]
- -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
- 18:10:48 [Zakim]
- -Ivan
- 18:10:48 [Zakim]
- -Fred_Esch
- 18:10:49 [MichaelC]
- ack me
- 18:10:49 [Zakim]
- -mgarrish
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- -Joanmarie_Diggs
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- -Markus
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- -Joseph_Scheuhammer
- 18:10:53 [Zakim]
- -Tzviya
- 18:11:29 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 18:11:31 [janina]
- zakim, bye
- 18:11:31 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were janina, Tzviya, Fred_Esch, Ivan, mgarrish, ShaneM, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joanmarie_Diggs, Markus, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer,
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- ... jcraig
- 18:11:36 [janina]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 18:11:36 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/28-aria-minutes.html janina
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- 20:56:21 [janina]
- janina has changed the topic to: ARIA Teleconference; Thursday 30 April at 16:30Z; Zakim 2742#
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- rrsagent, make log world
- 22:15:54 [MichaelC_]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/28-aria-minutes.html MichaelC_
- 22:16:42 [MichaelC_]
- rrsagent, bye
- 22:16:42 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items