IRC log of dwbp on 2015-04-17
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- RRSAgent, make logs 351
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- Zakim, this will be DWBP
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- ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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- Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 17 April 2015
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- Chair: Hadley
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- regrets: Makx, Antoine, Deirdre
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- + +1.609.947.aaaa
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- +??P19
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- -??P19
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- +[IPcaller.a]
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- zakim, 554 is me
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- sorry, ericstephan, I do not recognize a party named '554'
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- zakim, ipcaller.a is me
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- +phila; got it
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see +1.609.947.aaaa, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, +1.509.554.aabb, phila
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- On IRC I see MTCarrasco, ericstephan, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, giancarlo_guizzardi, annette_g, laufer, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, trackbot, rhiaro, hadleybeeman
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- zakim, +554 is me
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- sorry, ericstephan, I do not recognize a party named '+554'
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- +??P22
- 13:02:26 [MTCarrasco]
- zakim, ??P22 is me
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- +MTCarrasco; got it
- 13:02:26 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- zakim, [ is me
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- +giancarlo_guizzardi; got it
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- + +1.510.384.aacc
- 13:02:51 [ericstephan]
- zakim, is aabb is me
- 13:02:51 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'is aabb is me', ericstephan
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- zakim, aabb is me
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- +ericstephan; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
- 13:03:15 [ericstephan]
- whew got it finally
- 13:03:16 [laufer]
- Zakim, IPcaller is me
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- +laufer; got it
- 13:03:17 [annette_g]
- Zakim, aacc is me
- 13:03:18 [Zakim]
- +annette_g; got it
- 13:03:24 [phila]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/13-dwbp-minutes.html F2F Day 1
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html F2F Day 2
- 13:03:30 [laufer]
- zakim, mute me
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- laufer should now be muted
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see +1.609.947.aaaa, giancarlo_guizzardi, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, laufer (muted)
- 13:03:37 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Ig_Bittencourt, MTCarrasco, ericstephan, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, giancarlo_guizzardi, annette_g, laufer, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, trackbot, rhiaro, hadleybeeman
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- Hello brother blue laufer
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- zakim, aaaa is me
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- +Eric_Kauz; got it
- 13:04:37 [laufer]
- hi, bluebro
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- bluebro I like it better sounds cooler laufer
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- +??P1
- 13:05:55 [jerdeb]
- Zakim, P1 is me
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- sorry, jerdeb, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
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- Zakim, ??P1 is me
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- +jerdeb; got it
- 13:06:40 [hadleybeeman]
- scribe: phila
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- http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-04-10
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- PROPOSED: Accepts previous call's minutes
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- s/Accepts/Accept
- 13:07:23 [ericstephan]
- +1
- 13:07:24 [annette_g]
- +1
- 13:07:27 [AdrianoC-UFMG]
- +1
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- 0 (was not in the call)
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- +[IPcaller]
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- (I wasn't there)
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- 0 (not in the call)
- 13:07:46 [Ig_Bittencourt]
- Zakim +[IPcaller] is me
- 13:07:52 [ericstephan]
- we had a small quorum right before the f2f
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- Zakim: mute me
- 13:07:53 [phila]
- RESOLVED: Accept previous call's minutes
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- +!
- 13:08:04 [phila]
- Topic: F2F minutes
- 13:08:04 [Ig_Bittencourt]
- +1
- 13:08:18 [gatemezi]
- s/!/1
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- Day 1 minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2015/04/13-dwbp-minutes.html
- 13:08:31 [ericstephan]
- It was a monumental effort by all
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- day2 at http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-dwbp-minutes.html
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- + +39.349.096.aadd
- 13:08:38 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- +1
- 13:08:48 [laufer]
- +1
- 13:08:49 [phila]
- PROPOSED: Accept F2F Meeting minutes
- 13:08:49 [Ig_Bittencourt]
- +1
- 13:08:51 [annette_g]
- * hey, congrats Hadley, on appointment to the TAG
- 13:08:55 [hadleybeeman]
- +1
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- +1
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- +1
- 13:09:02 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- +1
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- +1
- 13:09:06 [phila]
- RESOLVED: Accept F2F Meeting minutes
- 13:09:13 [Ig_Bittencourt]
- Yes. Congrats hadleybeeman. Amazing.
- 13:09:20 [phila]
- Does anyone here not know what the TAG is?
- 13:09:51 [Ig_Bittencourt]
- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, Ig_Bittencourt, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- zakim, mute me
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- MTCarrasco should now be muted
- 13:10:29 [ericstephan]
- Yes that is tremendous, Hadley I am very excited to have someone there from a scientific org / government web perspective
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- +Reinaldo
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- Zakim, Reinaldo is Caroline
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- +Caroline; got it
- 13:11:09 [phila]
- RESOLVED: Accept F2F Meeting minutes
- 13:11:18 [annette_g]
- * LOL
- 13:11:39 [ericstephan]
- :-)
- 13:11:45 [phila]
- TOPIC: Dataset Usage Vocabulary
- 13:11:47 [Caroline]
- Congratulations, hadleybeeman!
- 13:11:54 [hadleybeeman]
- Thanks, Caroline :)
- 13:12:09 [phila]
- ericstephan: Only a few days after the f2f. Appreciate people being here today
- 13:12:31 [phila]
- ... we had a little bit of a situation where part of the WG in UK had to end work at 21:00 to catch trains etc
- 13:12:53 [Zakim]
- +[GVoice]
- 13:12:58 [phila]
- ... I wanted to go through the stuff we talked about after that and share a map of where we are
- 13:13:05 [yaso]
- zakim, gvoice is yaso
- 13:13:05 [Zakim]
- +yaso; got it
- 13:13:26 [phila]
- ericstephan: The model is very fluid
- 13:13:48 [phila]
- ericstephan: There are placeholders for new bits of the model
- 13:13:59 [ericstephan]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Wqrh4SKhFcHPykGPyXlljNNw8WJgMnpwzinvvGXn0o/edit?usp=sharing
- 13:14:02 [phila]
- ericstephan: I wanted to share...
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- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HnmNmVIR_R6egbDagWYgzML-9mvdp_0Sp_JXqL4bJ_k/edit?usp=sharing
- 13:14:39 [yaso]
- zakim, mute me
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- yaso should now be muted
- 13:14:42 [phila]
- ericstephan: That's the doc we have so far. Sumit is going to put that into GH
- 13:14:58 [gatemezi_]
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- 13:15:18 [phila]
- ... It's a mental map. There are things like PROV-O in here
- 13:15:24 [phila]
- ... there's a use called usage annotation
- 13:15:37 [phila]
- ... but there's some follow up work to do with the Annotation WG before the 18 May deadline
- 13:16:00 [phila]
- ... also one part where the rating, opinion and quality criteria - we've designed that as future DQV work
- 13:16:28 [phila]
- ... so we want to make sure we're in scope for the DUV
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- q+
- 13:16:39 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- q+
- 13:16:40 [phila]
- ack ,e
- 13:16:44 [phila]
- ack me
- 13:17:41 [MTCarrasco]
- Which EU project?
- 13:17:45 [ericstephan]
- phila: yesterday between the f2f and today I met with the EU to the share-psi project and that we are making progress, one point picked up on was the data usage vocab
- 13:18:05 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- q-
- 13:18:27 [ericstephan]
- phila: it occured to me that part of or some of the questions are "who has used or what did you do to my data"?
- 13:18:59 [MTCarrasco]
- Share-PSI 2.0 - http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi
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- This one?
- 13:19:20 [ericstephan]
- phila: intersection between data usage and data quality...looking at various activities and liked it for the portals to make it easier for people to use the data.
- 13:19:36 [phila]
- q?
- 13:19:37 [yaso]
- q?
- 13:19:53 [phila]
- giancarlo_guizzardi: I had some questions about the model... but maybe later
- 13:20:39 [phila]
- s/ what did you do to my data/ what did you have to do to my data before you were able to use is/
- 13:20:42 [yaso]
- q+
- 13:20:54 [phila]
- giancarlo_guizzardi: In my mind, an application can have different uses of the same dataset
- 13:21:04 [gatemezi_]
- IMO, an aspect of data usage could be to send feedback on the "quality" of the data itself
- 13:21:07 [phila]
- ... an agent could play the role of a consumer or publisher in the usage of the DS
- 13:21:29 [phila]
- ... why did you decide to represent a usage as a subtype of usage cf. relationship with the DS
- 13:21:54 [phila]
- ericstephan: The star of the show is the DS. That's the central thing. We're capturing people's reactions and impressions of hte DS
- 13:22:07 [phila]
- ... so it's in that spirit that we captured this general concept of data usage
- 13:22:25 [gatemezi_]
- s/hte/the
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- ericstephan: I want to iterate over what you said in e-mail
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- ericstephan: It's like being able to cross reference things from an application - I see what you're saying giancarlo_guizzardi
- 13:25:00 [ericstephan]
- phila: giancarlo_guizzardi could you phrase a proposal this is where we came from?
- 13:25:50 [yaso]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:25:50 [Zakim]
- yaso was already muted, yaso
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- zakim, unmute me
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- yaso should no longer be muted
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- q?
- 13:26:40 [phila]
- ack yaso
- 13:26:42 [annette_g]
- q+
- 13:27:10 [Zakim]
- -Eric_Kauz
- 13:27:38 [phila]
- yaso: How much can we take advantage of datasets ... Git has its own structure for naming actions, pakacges of code etc. It maps all the actions that anyone can take
- 13:27:49 [phila]
- ... it's very similar to what you can do with a dataset
- 13:28:03 [phila]
- ... can we takle advantage of that as a collaboration model?
- 13:28:15 [phila]
- ericstephan: So are you suggesting GH as an example of examples in GH?
- 13:28:53 [SumitPurohit]
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- yaso: When developers.... {break up}... it's what you're thinking now. How can people work with some code together. How can we see what is made of our piece of code - things like that.
- 13:29:14 [Zakim]
- + +1.617.646.aaee
- 13:29:23 [yaso]
- https://sselab.de/lab2/public/wiki/sselab/images/thumb/4/4f/Git_workflow.png/800px-Git_workflow.png
- 13:29:23 [Zakim]
- +??P28
- 13:29:40 [phila]
- ericstephan: I love those ideas
- 13:29:44 [phila]
- phila: +1 very interesting
- 13:29:50 [phila]
- yaso: GitHub is amazing
- 13:29:55 [yaso]
- it is not the best example of this, but can help with some inspiration
- 13:30:08 [yaso]
- phila: agree!
- 13:30:12 [CarlosIglesias]
- zakim, ??P28 is me
- 13:30:12 [Zakim]
- +CarlosIglesias; got it
- 13:30:41 [SumitPurohit]
- zakim, ??aaee is me
- 13:30:41 [Zakim]
- sorry, SumitPurohit, I do not recognize a party named '??aaee'
- 13:30:51 [gatemezi_]
- There is a tool https://github.com/mmlab/Git2PROV to expose Git actions into PROV-O
- 13:30:55 [phila]
- q?
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- 13:31:00 [phila]
- ack AdrianoC-UFMG
- 13:31:03 [phila]
- ack annette_g
- 13:31:15 [SumitPurohit]
- zakim, aaee is me
- 13:31:15 [Zakim]
- +SumitPurohit; got it
- 13:31:15 [Ig_Bittencourt]
- hadleybeeman, i think the other is me.
- 13:31:25 [hadleybeeman]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:31:25 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see giancarlo_guizzardi, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, phila, MTCarrasco (muted), annette_g, laufer (muted), jerdeb, [IPcaller], +39.349.096.aadd, Caroline, yaso,
- 13:31:29 [phila]
- annette_g: Looking at the little diagram. I notice we have a single line from dataset -> consumed -> an application
- 13:31:29 [Zakim]
- ... SumitPurohit, CarlosIglesias
- 13:31:29 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see giancarlo_guizzardi, SumitPurohit, CarlosIglesias, gatemezi_, Caroline, yaso, jerdeb, AdrianoC-UFMG, Ig_Bittencourt, MTCarrasco, ericstephan, Eric_Kauz, annette_g,
- 13:31:29 [Zakim]
- ... laufer, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, trackbot, rhiaro, hadleybeeman
- 13:31:36 [phila]
- annette_g: A reusage dataset would be one of them
- 13:31:47 [phila]
- annette_g: WE have the annotations, annotating the original dataset
- 13:31:57 [phila]
- ... might be better to annotate the reused dataset or application
- 13:32:07 [phila]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:32:07 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see giancarlo_guizzardi, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, phila, MTCarrasco (muted), annette_g, laufer (muted), jerdeb, [IPcaller], +39.349.096.aadd, Caroline, yaso,
- 13:32:10 [Zakim]
- ... SumitPurohit, CarlosIglesias
- 13:32:10 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see giancarlo_guizzardi, SumitPurohit, CarlosIglesias, gatemezi_, Caroline, yaso, jerdeb, AdrianoC-UFMG, Ig_Bittencourt, MTCarrasco, ericstephan, Eric_Kauz, annette_g,
- 13:32:10 [Zakim]
- ... laufer, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, trackbot, rhiaro, hadleybeeman
- 13:32:28 [phila]
- ericstephan: When you talk about the reuse dataset - what does that mean to you?
- 13:32:37 [Ig_Bittencourt]
- hadleybeeman, maybe IPCaller, but I am not sure.
- 13:32:47 [phila]
- annette_g: I take your DS and I make a subset of it and I put that on the Web, or a cleaned up version
- 13:32:53 [phila]
- annette_g: A mash up, etc.
- 13:33:04 [phila]
- ericstephan: This is one of the things - annotations, annotation history
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- 13:33:12 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- There are a number of interesting aspects of the Dataset usage Diagram that I believe are worth discussing through email. For instance, it seems to me at first thought that perhaps data usage could be better captured as a relational property between Application and Dataset. For instance, an application can have different types of usages of a given dataset.
- 13:33:18 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- Moreover, it seems to me that an Application/Agent could play different roles (provider/consumer) w.r.t. to a dataset in the context of a given usage.
- 13:33:30 [phila]
- ericstephan: What botehrs me about this model is that from a PROV perspective, you can look at prov as an entire backplane, tracking every aspect
- 13:33:32 [phila]
- q+
- 13:33:41 [phila]
- ericstephan: And hte same for annotation
- 13:34:10 [phila]
- ericstephan: I wanted to stay away from reinventing PROV-O and all that work.
- 13:34:23 [phila]
- ericstephan: How can we talk about tracking provenance without doing that
- 13:34:54 [laufer]
- q+
- 13:34:57 [phila]
- annette_g: There's a lot in PROV-O that we can reus
- 13:35:00 [ericstephan]
- ack phila
- 13:35:47 [ericstephan]
- phila: yes important discussion and a dataset is a subset of another dataset and mashup is important.
- 13:36:08 [ericstephan]
- phila: bottom line is that we want the model to be simple to use for data portals
- 13:36:14 [annette_g]
- q+
- 13:36:40 [phila]
- ericstephan: Yep, and that's why PROV-O - it's almost an illustrated example of how you can picture re-use
- 13:37:02 [phila]
- ... you can keeo your DUV vcery simple, but if you want to do more then these otehr vocabs are available
- 13:37:32 [phila]
- ericstephan: The ORG model - nice job of showing one organisation linked to another
- 13:37:36 [phila]
- q?
- 13:37:40 [laufer]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:37:40 [Zakim]
- laufer should no longer be muted
- 13:37:40 [phila]
- ack laufer
- 13:37:43 [ericstephan]
- ack laufer
- 13:37:47 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- Another issue that comes to mind is regarding versioning of the dataset. Can an application play different roles in different usages w.r.t. different versions of a dataset?
- 13:37:54 [phila]
- laufer: zakim, who is noisy?
- 13:37:58 [gatemezi_]
- Clearly, it emerges that we have two types of reusing DS: applications (or mashups) and DS+ (new version of original DS)
- 13:38:13 [phila]
- laufer: I can see that feedback seems to be a central thing
- 13:38:44 [phila]
- ... the idea we have a DS that is used by someone, and then we have the feedback. WE need feedback from the user as input to the next thing
- 13:39:02 [phila]
- ... what I can see is that from one DS we'll have a lot of data related to it. Opinions, analysis,
- 13:39:21 [phila]
- ... very good contribution - it's a way to reference a lot of data related to the first DS
- 13:39:22 [gatemezi_]
- Re giancarlo_guizzardi question, could you give uus some roles that you have in mind?
- 13:39:48 [phila]
- ... this first diagra, I can see blogs and opinions, but I can envisage articles about it and so on
- 13:40:07 [laufer]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:40:07 [Zakim]
- laufer should now be muted
- 13:40:07 [phila]
- ericstephan: I agree
- 13:40:11 [ericstephan]
- http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/
- 13:40:27 [gatemezi_]
- I can group articles, blogs and opinions in the same bag
- 13:40:34 [phila]
- ericstephan: I'm looking towards the end of the F2F, Laufer had shared this core spec (SiOC)
- 13:40:43 [gatemezi_]
- .. or Class
- 13:40:59 [phila]
- ericstephan: I was stuck in a middle seat on the plane home and could just read this on my phone
- 13:41:40 [phila]
- phila: Notes that SiOC, like DCAT and more all came from the same place (DERI Galway)
- 13:41:48 [phila]
- Oh and VoID
- 13:41:50 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- Let me rephrase the question. Can an agent play different roles w.r.t. (different versions of a) data set? By role here, I mean producer/consumer.
- 13:42:04 [phila]
- q?
- 13:42:11 [phila]
- ack annette_g
- 13:42:12 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- but also, perhaps a given application can make different uses of a dataset across different versions as well
- 13:42:20 [ericstephan]
- ack annette_g
- 13:42:32 [phila]
- annette_g: I keep thinking about how we're going to make this connection happen between a re-use and the original use
- 13:42:48 [hadleybeeman]
- Q+
- 13:42:48 [phila]
- annette_g: Is there any thought on how this might be used?
- 13:42:56 [phila]
- ... or just cme up with it and hope it's used?
- 13:43:12 [Caroline]
- s/cme/come
- 13:43:16 [phila]
- annette_g: I can imagine in HTML people can specify things but is it used?
- 13:43:24 [CarlosIglesias]
- note that to be fair others have also made *huge* amount of work for SIOC to happen, namely CTIC for example
- 13:43:35 [phila]
- ericstephan: I can see the vocab being wrapped into an API where the publisher can provide the means for collecting feedback
- 13:43:46 [phila]
- ... or as an exchange medium so diff sites can reflect diff feedback
- 13:43:55 [phila]
- ... so there can be a way to translate their feeback into the DUV
- 13:44:16 [gatemezi_]
- Answering to giancarlo_guizzardi, I would say "YES", since you can play at different moment both roles, consumer and producer
- 13:44:22 [hadleybeeman]
- q?
- 13:44:35 [phila]
- ... I think most of our specific use cases might be what a publisher might provie, but I;m also looking at the Social WEb WG. What happens between diff people interacting and interconnecting
- 13:44:51 [SumitPurohit]
- +1 ericstephan for API
- 13:45:19 [phila]
- annette_g: From my own interest, it would be great if people can feed back - and the Web works with links going forward, not backward.
- 13:45:36 [laufer]
- the social connection that has the dataset as its centre is very interesting...
- 13:45:39 [phila]
- annette_g: Publishers need tobe able to discover on their own what use has been made
- 13:45:40 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- Agreed. We should consider the best way to reflect that in the model
- 13:45:49 [phila]
- hadleybeeman: Something that people haven't talked about is search
- 13:46:01 [phila]
- ... if we do this well, the use of datasets will be crawlable
- 13:46:09 [phila]
- ... and we can tkae that into account for PageRank
- 13:46:36 [phila]
- ... we'll have some sense of popularity and reliability of PageRank, but it's a nice interface for publishers to see what we're doing
- 13:46:41 [ericstephan]
- +1 hadleybeeman
- 13:46:54 [gatemezi_]
- annette_g: that's why you can specify "owl:sameAs" to make also backward working in the Web of data. Isn't it?
- 13:46:59 [phila]
- hadleybeeman: On PageRank, other search engines are available
- 13:47:10 [phila]
- q+ to talk about schema.org
- 13:47:17 [phila]
- q- ha
- 13:47:45 [phila]
- ericstephan: I see people using a lot more libraries - this ability to see what data is available but not what tools are available
- 13:48:03 [phila]
- ericstephan: Almost every project on GH has an example of a dataset in its documentation
- 13:48:18 [phila]
- ack me
- 13:48:18 [Zakim]
- phila, you wanted to talk about schema.org
- 13:49:02 [MTCarrasco]
- +1 scheme.org
- 13:49:10 [ericstephan]
- http://rdesc.org
- 13:49:20 [Zakim]
- -[IPcaller]
- 13:49:28 [phila]
- ericstephan: The project that's driving Sumit and me is this resource discovery one
- 13:49:42 [phila]
- ... one of the things we've done is to provide some of the terms from schema.org
- 13:49:56 [phila]
- ... and we want to incorporate the DUV into that
- 13:50:18 [phila]
- ericstephan: So this schema.org angle is interesting. We want the great search engines to pick up what scientists are doing
- 13:50:28 [phila]
- q+ to talk about implementation
- 13:50:35 [phila]
- ack me
- 13:50:35 [Zakim]
- phila, you wanted to talk about implementation
- 13:50:38 [MTCarrasco]
- https://schema.or
- 13:50:45 [MTCarrasco]
- https://schema.org
- 13:51:02 [hadleybeeman]
- @ericstephan: This is a fantastic discussion. I'm sorry I didn't jump into it earlier!
- 13:51:24 [MTCarrasco]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:51:24 [Zakim]
- MTCarrasco should no longer be muted
- 13:51:29 [hadleybeeman]
- q?
- 13:51:36 [MTCarrasco]
- q+
- 13:51:39 [ericstephan]
- q+
- 13:51:53 [SumitPurohit]
- +1 phila
- 13:51:55 [MTCarrasco]
- Anybody going to the Riga Summit 27-29 April 2015 - http://rigasummit2015.eu
- 13:51:58 [Caroline]
- the rdesc is a very interesting project, ericstephan
- 13:51:58 [ericstephan]
- +1
- 13:52:41 [phila]
- ericstephan: I put into the e-mail this week, some of the multilingual aspects
- 13:53:02 [phila]
- ... the number of languages spoken in this WG is exciting. We need to show our DUV in a multilingual way
- 13:53:08 [ericstephan]
- nos somos o dataset
- 13:53:16 [hadleybeeman]
- +1 to ericstephan there. A multilingual vocabulary sounds much more global and useful.
- 13:53:27 [hadleybeeman]
- :)
- 13:53:31 [phila]
- Put it on a T-shirt for TPAC
- 13:53:33 [hadleybeeman]
- q?
- 13:53:36 [laufer]
- we are the datasets!!!
- 13:53:36 [hadleybeeman]
- ack mt
- 13:53:40 [Caroline]
- +1 to ericstephan :)
- 13:53:41 [SumitPurohit]
- :-)
- 13:54:18 [phila]
- ericstephan: One of the things that Share-PSI offers... a vast use case. I'm looking for a tour guide in terms of what kind of things can we pick and choose for the DUV
- 13:54:41 [phila]
- ... I'd love to have something... I'm thinking of sci data ... but there seems to be a lot to work on
- 13:56:00 [MTCarrasco]
- European legislation on reuse of public sector information - http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/european-legislation-reuse-public-sector-information
- 13:56:06 [ericstephan]
- phila: there is a law about data sharing, portals etc. We are making a list of areas coming from the legislations there are areas that could be applicable
- 13:56:25 [hadleybeeman]
- q?
- 13:56:31 [phila]
- q- ericstephan
- 13:56:35 [gatemezi_]
- DUV can challenge DCAT which has been already translated into 6 languages http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs/dcat.. Don't see brazilian/portuguese there ;)
- 13:56:42 [MTCarrasco]
- It is a 2003 directive (EU "law")
- 13:56:52 [phila]
- ericstephan: The assignments made at this point for actions - any questions?
- 13:56:52 [hadleybeeman]
- q+
- 13:57:06 [phila]
- ack hadleybeeman
- 13:57:14 [ericstephan]
- https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/174 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/175 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/176 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/177 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/178 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/179 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/180
- 13:57:27 [yaso]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:57:27 [Zakim]
- yaso should now be muted
- 13:57:31 [phila]
- hadleybeeman: When do you need from the chairs - when do you need more meeting time?
- 13:58:16 [phila]
- ericstephan: At thins point - we have a lot of input and volunteers. We need to fix a schedule and makde sure we're moving forward What we need on a weekly basis is a check in but at this pint we're good.
- 13:58:27 [phila]
- ericstephan: Can we talk about DUV again in 2 weeks' time?
- 13:58:30 [phila]
- hadleybeeman: Sounds good.
- 13:58:57 [phila]
- ericstephan: I'll make sure I send a mail to make sure those with actions know it.
- 13:59:03 [phila]
- hadleybeeman: Thank you Eric
- 13:59:20 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- bye
- 13:59:22 [MTCarrasco]
- bye
- 13:59:22 [phila]
- ... wishes everyone a good weekend
- 13:59:22 [CarlosIglesias]
- bye, bye
- 13:59:25 [laufer]
- bye all... nice weekend for all...
- 13:59:25 [Zakim]
- -MTCarrasco
- 13:59:26 [Zakim]
- -SumitPurohit
- 13:59:27 [jerdeb]
- happy weekend! bye
- 13:59:27 [Caroline]
- thank you! Bye
- 13:59:28 [Zakim]
- -HadleyBeeman
- 13:59:29 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- nice weekend everyone
- 13:59:29 [Zakim]
- -annette_g
- 13:59:31 [Zakim]
- -Caroline
- 13:59:32 [Zakim]
- -phila
- 13:59:32 [Zakim]
- -jerdeb
- 13:59:32 [giancarlo_guizzardi]
- buy
- 13:59:34 [yaso]
- bye!
- 13:59:35 [Zakim]
- -laufer
- 13:59:37 [gatemezi_]
- Ciao!
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- -ericstephan
- 13:59:42 [phila]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 13:59:43 [annette_g]
- nice job, Eric!
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- -giancarlo_guizzardi
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- -yaso
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- -CarlosIglesias
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- - +39.349.096.aadd
- 14:00:46 [riccardoAlbertoni]
- zakim, aadd is me
- 14:00:46 [Zakim]
- sorry, riccardoAlbertoni, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
- 14:02:49 [AdrianoC-UFMG]
- Thanks, all, bye bye!
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- disconnecting the lone participant, giancarlo_guizzardi, in DATA_DWBP()9:00AM
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- Attendees were +1.609.947.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +1.509.554.aabb, phila, MTCarrasco, giancarlo_guizzardi, +1.510.384.aacc, ericstephan, laufer, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, jerdeb,
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- ... [IPcaller], +39.349.096.aadd, Caroline, yaso, +1.617.646.aaee, CarlosIglesias, SumitPurohit
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