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15:00:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be Process
15:00:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference
15:00:55 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2015
15:00:59 <timeless> Zakim, code?
15:00:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 7762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), timeless
15:01:09 <Zakim> AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM has now started
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15:03:29 <jeff> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveZ, Jeff
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15:12:40 <jeff> chair: SteveZ
15:12:44 <jeff> scribe: Jeff
15:12:53 <jeff> Topic: Issue-152
15:13:24 <jeff> SZ: Wayne Carr has raised issues with my examples.
15:13:34 <jeff> ... been discussed over email.
15:13:44 <jeff> ... he thinks we can adequately define "editorial"
15:13:50 <jeff> ... gave a suggestion
15:13:58 <jeff> Mike: We won't resolve before we send to the AC
15:14:15 <jeff> ... with an annotation of open issues
15:14:25 <jeff> ... what you cited is what the AB discussed
15:14:45 <jeff> ... Wayne may think these are not persuasive, but they are still the AB's examples
15:15:15 <jeff> ... so we should expose to the AC
15:15:19 <jeff> Steve: Jeff
15:15:21 <jeff> ?
15:15:28 <jeff> [silence/\]
15:15:48 <jeff> ... no particular opinion?
15:15:48 <jeff> [Jeff: correct]
15:16:13 <jeff> Steve: Simplest thing is to go with my draft text
15:16:35 <jeff> ... possibly adding a comment to the last paragraph - some people believe that can add a definition
15:17:02 <jeff> Mike: We are trying to get the AC's advice
15:17:16 <jeff> ... where to draw the line: flexibility v. IP issues
15:17:32 <jeff> ... IP dictates process steps; exclusion calls
15:17:42 <jeff> ... is flexibility worth the risk?
15:17:52 <jeff> ... our CG can frame it; we can't decide
15:18:18 <jeff> Steve: I see a way forward incorporating Wayne's input and David Singer's input.
15:18:34 <jeff> ... I will update draft text based on discussion and Wayne's comments
15:18:39 <jeff> ... small change
15:18:42 <jeff> q+
15:19:23 <jeff> ... draft letter received small comments from Jeff - that we had done a lot
15:19:35 <jeff> ... text seemed to imply we did a little
15:20:18 <jeff> ... I pointed out small change to my paragraph to make clear.
15:20:27 <jeff> ... Jeff?
15:20:31 <jeff> Jeff: Fine.
15:21:26 <jeff> Mike: We did more than we signed up for.  We can always move stuff to 2016.
15:21:43 <jeff> ... we don't need to resolve everything for Process2015
15:22:00 <jeff> Steve: CG came to consensus so it is asking for input from AC.
15:22:05 <Zakim> +dsinger
15:22:11 <jeff> ... we've also kept the AC in the loop
15:22:21 <jeff> [David Singer joins]
15:23:48 <jeff> ack je
15:23:58 <jeff> Jeff: Who signs the letter?
15:24:15 <jeff> Steve: Same 3 people as last time (Steve, Chaals, Jeff)
15:24:24 <jeff> Jeff: So I can send it out as soon as I have the letter?
15:24:35 <jeff> Steve: No, we still need the document from Chaals.
15:24:42 <jeff> Dave: We also need a diff document.
15:25:36 <jeff> Steve: Dave, did we get all the issues that you nailed to the door?
15:25:43 <jeff> Dave: I'll need to check.
15:26:51 <jeff> q+
15:27:36 <jeff> Steve: Back to issue-152
15:28:04 <jeff> ... it's an ongoing discussion - my note for inclusion in the document merely indicates different viewpoints
15:28:15 <jeff> ... should go ahead with the not - even though exammples are not best
15:28:22 <jeff> s/not/note/
15:28:37 <jeff> ... I could add your silly example.
15:28:51 <jeff> David: Could we put it into cover letter rather than process document?
15:29:02 <jeff> rrsagent, make minutes
15:29:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/03-w3process-minutes.html jeff
15:29:15 <jeff> Steve: Makes sense.
15:29:54 <jeff> David: We shouldn't have an issue pointer in the process document.
15:30:29 <jeff> Steve: I will move the long text to the cover letter
15:30:39 <jeff> ... the issue is whether we can adequately define editorial change
15:30:52 <jeff> ... in a manner that can be adequately verified, w/o an exclusion call
15:31:10 <jeff> ... I can put that in without the examples
15:31:16 <jeff> ... would that work?
15:31:22 <jeff> Dave: Probably.
15:31:29 <jeff> Mike: It's fine.
15:31:32 <jeff> Jeff: Yup.
15:32:05 <jeff> q+ to ask about the AC meeting
15:32:33 <timeless> s|silence/\| Silence |
15:33:10 <jeff> ack
15:33:14 <jeff> ack je
15:33:14 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to ask about the AC meeting
15:33:17 <timeless> s/... no particular opinion/Steve: no particular opinion/
15:33:30 <jeff> Jeff: Do we you want time in AC meeting about Process2016?
15:33:37 <jeff> Steve: Wait for AB meeting
15:35:06 <jeff> Jeff: How much time do you need for Process2015?
15:35:21 <jeff> Steve: 15 minutes plenary; 45 minutes breakout
15:35:48 <jeff> Mike: Raman and I would both be quite interested in a discussion of Process2016
15:36:17 <jeff> ... we would both be interested in a discussion about CGs
15:36:29 <jeff> ... CGs merged with WGs
15:36:43 <jeff> ... Raman worries that CG outputs get thrown at WGs
15:36:50 <jeff> ... that doesn't motivate people
15:37:05 <jeff> ... a defined jump start would be better
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15:38:01 <Dsinger_> Suggest we ask the ac, in the cover letter, whether anyone needs a breakout.
15:38:29 <Dsinger_> I thought we already have the notion that a CG fsa can become a wg fpwd
15:39:25 <Dsinger_> Fsa - document from the CG that has had a final spec agreement signed
15:39:28 <jeff> Jeff: Panel about Process2016?
15:39:36 <jeff> Mike and Steve: We're in!
15:40:23 <Dsinger_> What can you do today, what could we improve?
15:40:45 <Dsinger_> Q+
15:41:06 <jeff> ack dsi
15:41:28 <jeff> Dave: What is the problem?  It is not hard to bring a document from a CG to a WG?
15:41:44 <jeff> Mike: I'll write that up in the next day or so.
15:42:06 <jeff> Steve: Plus we have a standing issue: what about CGs should be in the process?
15:42:44 <jeff> issue-128?
15:42:44 <trackbot> issue-128 -- Lack of test cases is a major contributor to schedule delay. -- raised
15:42:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/128
15:44:27 <jeff> Steve: Chaals has suggested that we close this issue.
15:44:49 <Dsinger_> Agree that this is not a process but an operations issue
15:45:11 <jeff> Mike: Anything else we could do in the process document?
15:45:27 <jeff> Steve: We put some text into "implementation experience".  That's already been done.
15:46:40 <jeff> [Steve reads the text]
15:47:28 <jeff> Mike: I would close it if there is no concrete proposal to fix it.
15:47:34 <jeff> Steve: Exactly.
15:47:48 <jeff> Mike: Who raised it?
15:48:00 <jeff> Steve: me.  I had to write issues raised with Process2014.
15:48:15 <jeff> Mike: Yes, this is more in the hands of the Chair and Team.
15:48:28 <jeff> David: Process says the right thing.  Beyond that it is operations.
15:48:36 <jeff> Steve: Exactly.
15:48:48 <jeff> Steve: Resolved. Close Issue-128
15:50:09 <SteveZ> RESOLUTION: Issue-128 is closed with reference to the final paragraph of section 7.2.4 Implementation Experience
15:50:53 <jeff> Steve: I should update Issue 151.
15:51:09 <jeff> ... not enough time to discuss Issue 100.
15:51:55 <Dsinger_> Ok
15:52:21 <jeff> ... next week: prior to AB meeting we will do a quick review of open items for Process2016.
15:52:31 <Zakim> -Mike_Champion
15:52:40 <jeff> [adjourned]
15:52:44 <jeff> rrsagent, make minutes
15:52:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/03-w3process-minutes.html jeff
15:52:44 <SteveZ> zakim, make minutes
15:52:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', SteveZ
15:53:00 <timeless> s/zakim, make minutes//
15:53:02 <Dsinger_> Thx, apologies for lateness and bus/street noise
15:53:03 <timeless> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:04:16 <SteveZ> s/issue-128?/Topic: Issue-128/
16:04:36 <SteveZ> rrsagent, make minutes
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