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14:40:49 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see Team_JEFF(EDUCATION)10:00AM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
14:41:22 <ivan> Meeting: Education & W3C
14:41:33 <ivan> Chair: Pierre Dannet
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14:55:06 <Zakim> +??P30
14:55:27 <Pierre> Crispin and Pierre in London connected
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15:00:17 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:00:17 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:01:34 <Pierre> do we have Judy ?
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15:04:13 <Judy> zakim, who's making noise?
15:04:24 <Zakim> Judy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P30 (67%), Ivan (29%), Sylvie_Duchateau (9%)
15:04:42 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:04:42 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:06:25 <Zakim> +MarkS
15:06:31 <Pierre> I can try to be a scribe
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15:07:18 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
15:07:18 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
15:08:16 <Pierre> So, who can be the scribe ?
15:09:05 <Judy> scribe: Judy
15:09:12 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:09:12 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:09:25 <Judy> Pierre: Introductions please.... around the room....
15:09:36 <Judy> Pierre: Crispin will now present
15:09:58 <Judy> Crispin: I'll talk first about the history of edtech, then standardization opportunity
15:10:15 <Judy> ...slides were distrib by email
15:10:26 <Judy> ...edtech not extensive impact yet on education
15:10:37 <Judy> ...backed up by recent study from the UK
15:10:58 <Judy> ...for standards org, difficult to assess market need then.
15:11:09 <Judy> ...first must ask why not more effective.
15:11:26 <Pierre> instruction is interaction
15:11:32 <Judy> Crispin: basis of ed is child interacting with a bicycle
15:11:49 <Judy> ...and there are other natural instructive partners
15:12:33 <Pierre> will try
15:12:48 <Judy> Crispin: We haven't seen sufficient development of complex interactive software
15:12:53 <Judy> scribe: Pierre
15:13:10 <Pierre> Slide 5 representation of Bllom 's taxonomy
15:13:54 <Pierre> Instructional stack for digitizing interactions
15:14:10 <Zakim> -Sylvie_Duchateau
15:14:42 <Pierre> Traditionnal teaching is managed by the teacher
15:14:53 <Pierre> Publisher providing textbooks
15:15:05 <Pierre> Teacher responsible for implementations
15:15:16 <Zakim> +??P11
15:15:20 <Pierre> Digital Education : we do not want to replace the teachers
15:15:30 <Pierre> Slide 6
15:15:41 <Pierre> More process management type
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15:16:04 <Pierre> Slide 7 : other way to characterize that
15:16:24 <Pierre> Activities embedded in a management cycle
15:16:43 <Pierre> Adaptive learning select next activities
15:17:11 <Pierre> Multiple activities in order to cover the curriculum
15:17:29 <Pierre> Interface between the two need standard (Red arrows)
15:17:47 <Pierre> Slide 8 : Pedagogy us activity sequencing
15:18:08 <Pierre> There are many sorts of sequences : according to performance, ...
15:18:27 <Pierre> Independent activities can be dependent on each other
15:19:14 <Pierre> ...There are many sorts of sequencing...
15:19:36 <Pierre> Slide 10 : abstract slide : around assessment
15:20:00 <Pierre> ...... Assement is a continuum....
15:20:22 <Pierre> .....two triangles....
15:20:40 <Pierre> .....Failure is key concept....
15:20:56 <Pierre> ....we learn from failure....
15:21:49 <Pierre> ...... Reliable method to more integrated continuous assessment...
15:22:05 <Pierre> Slide 11 : Supply chain
15:22:47 <Pierre> .... Interactive courseware based on information and activity softwares....
15:23:09 <Pierre> ....there are gaps in this edtech supply chain...
15:23:26 <Pierre> Slide 12 : expressing learning objectives
15:23:50 <Pierre> ....people based on paper and digital....
15:24:20 <Pierre> .....Education is interested by capabilities...
15:24:53 <Pierre> ...we often certificate people on performance and not on capability..
15:25:21 <Pierre> ..... Capability representation is needed...
15:25:56 <Pierre> ..... Capabilities taxonomies could be defined by different people...
15:26:09 <Pierre> Slide 17 : Moderation
15:27:08 <Pierre> ......An authority is mamanging a process...
15:27:24 <Pierre> Slide 18 : moving to standards
15:27:37 <Pierre> We do not have the management system we need
15:27:58 <Pierre> We do not have any interoperability between LMS and activity softwares
15:28:11 <Pierre> Slide 19 : Key standards in this area
15:28:39 <Pierre> History of the SCORM initiative, which was a collection of many standards
15:29:21 <Pierre> OILS : UK initiative
15:29:58 <Pierre> There were a lot of organizations involved
15:30:11 <Pierre> American department of Defense
15:31:13 <Pierre> SCorm 1.2 included CMI, content packaging
15:31:26 <Pierre> Legal disputes between IMS and EDL
15:31:38 <Pierre> Everything stopped
15:32:01 <Pierre> A lot of disccusions there
15:32:16 <Judy> zakim, who's making noise?
15:32:19 <Pierre> Slide 20 : how SCORM works
15:32:34 <Zakim> Judy, listening for 17 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:32:49 <Pierre> ......Within the content package, you have a manifest and SCOs
15:33:05 <Pierre> ...you can launch individual SCOS...
15:33:48 <Pierre> ...SCO is an activity, with a beginning and an end
15:34:49 <Pierre> .... 2004 : add of simple sequencing to that...
15:35:17 <Pierre> .....it became complex.....
15:35:32 <Pierre> .....need for in house implementation....
15:36:03 <Pierre> ...othe people did not implement the runtime as well..
15:36:11 <Pierre> ..... dry TOC...
15:36:21 <Pierre> Slide 21 : Probles with SCORM
15:36:56 <Pierre> Legal disputes with IMS + Javascript API +
15:37:15 <Pierre> ....Fixed Data Model in CMI was a pbm....
15:37:27 <Pierre> ..... as knewton in the last Educ call...
15:38:31 <Pierre> ...key point to draw out : field SCORM : SCO + Asset
15:39:26 <Pierre> You really can't have a fixed data model for innovation
15:39:56 <Pierre> ....more technical information needed (Transportation mechanism for example)...
15:40:11 <Pierre> Poor sequencing specification
15:40:43 <Pierre> Single learner model => No multi players ... gaming ??
15:40:59 <Pierre> 2008 : attempt to move beyond that
15:41:19 <Pierre> Slide 22 : Tin Can replaced Javascript
15:41:49 <Pierre> The Data model was very simple (Inspired by Social Networks)
15:42:03 <Pierre> Tin Can does not deal with object launches
15:42:13 <Pierre> Does not deal with metadata
15:42:32 <Pierre> Slide 23 : Standard issues
15:42:43 <Pierre> SCORM covered all the basis
15:43:00 <Pierre> We need multi player for pair learning
15:43:14 <Pierre> Datamodel definition language is necessary
15:43:32 <Pierre> LMS could basically discover
15:43:39 <Pierre> ...sequencing...
15:43:54 <Pierre> .... elephant to the room : Privacy for Data
15:44:12 <Pierre> Yes, Judy, could be cool
15:44:25 <Pierre> Transparency at minimum
15:45:13 <davidsloan> I can do it
15:45:30 <davidsloan> Discussion begins
15:45:41 <Judy> scribe: davidsloan
15:46:15 <davidsloan> Crispin focusing on interoperability, application development is a separate requirement
15:46:39 <davidsloan> interoperability needs to be agnostic with regard to application platform
15:47:04 <davidsloan> difficult to get consensus on something that hasn't happened yet, so standards creation is challenging
15:47:30 <davidsloan> need to allow framework for innovation, and then specifications emerge from that
15:47:58 <Pierre> My question on privacy
15:48:15 <Judy> q+
15:48:28 <ivan> ack Judy
15:48:40 <davidsloan> Crispin: privacy is a key factor in this framework. Suggests create a description language that allows adaptation for different jurisdictions and legislatory environments
15:49:45 <davidsloan> Judy: when W3C looks at taking on standardisation activity it needs to consider pressing needs; which organisations are active in this area and could partner; existing technical work in the area
15:50:30 <davidsloan> Judy: may be overlap with digital publishing activity
15:50:33 <ivan> q+
15:51:12 <ivan> ack ivan
15:53:15 <davidsloan> Ivan: W3C has focus of work, i.e. core web technologies. Difficult now to define what this is, but W3C does have some sense of what this is. Of standardisation questions raised in this and previous call's presentations, which are in areas within W3C expertise?
15:54:37 <Pierre> Data interoperability Platform
15:54:42 <davidsloan> Crispin: depends on what you see the Web as. TinCan as an example provides a web service API. Real crying need in edu is what the Web can offer as data interoperability platform
15:55:20 <Judy> q+
15:55:26 <davidsloan> Crispin: web services is a key are
15:55:42 <ivan> ack Judy
15:56:21 <davidsloan> s/are/area
15:56:23 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:56:23 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:57:13 <davidsloan> Judy: mhakkinen may be able to comment on edu standards and core web technologies
15:57:48 <davidsloan> mhakkinen: currently in transition from paper based delivery to web based rich assessments
15:58:24 <davidsloan> mhakkinen: concerns over lack of harmonization in accessibility across different standards for assessment
15:58:30 <Judy> q+
15:58:57 <davidsloan> mhakkinen: example new initiative of interest is AQTI (Accessible QTI)
16:00:21 <Pierre> Open learning XML
16:00:46 <ivan> q+
16:00:47 <davidsloan> MarkS: right now, EdX started own standard on Open Learning XML (OLX), would be good to see commonalities with goals of this group
16:00:51 <ivan> ack Judy
16:01:30 <davidsloan> Pierre: we suggest using wiki to propose ideas for standardisation in education, for open discussion
16:02:09 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
16:02:09 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
16:02:22 <davidsloan> Pierre: next call on 20 February will focus on discussion of wiki
16:03:06 <mhakkinen> need to drop. thanks and bye!
16:03:20 <Zakim> -mhakkinen
16:03:21 <Pierre> Pierer Danet Hachette
16:03:25 <MarkS> Mark Sadecki - edX
16:03:29 <davidsloan> David Sloan, The Paciello Group
16:03:31 <mhakkinen> mark hakkinen - educational testing service (ETS)
16:03:37 <shorton> Sarah Horton, The Paciello Group
16:04:00 <Pierre> Jean Charles Pomerol will participate
16:04:17 <davidsloan> update for 20 Feb—subject will be MOOCs
16:04:17 <Zakim> -MarkS
16:04:25 <davidsloan> Judy: thanks to Crispin for presentation
16:04:29 <Zakim> -Judy
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16:04:42 <Judy> Judy Brewer W3C WAI
16:04:43 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:04:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/06-educ-minutes.html ivan
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16:04:46 <Zakim> Team_JEFF(EDUCATION)10:00AM has ended
16:04:46 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.603.252.aaaa, Ivan, [IPcaller], Judy, mhakkinen, Sylvie_Duchateau, MarkS
16:05:23 <Pierre> https://www.w3.org/wiki/AB/2014-2015_Priorities/w3c_most_important#Education_task_force
16:05:50 <Pierre> Tnks Judy for helping me
16:06:53 <ivan> rrsagente, draft minutes
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16:06:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/06-educ-minutes.html ivan
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