IRC log of i18n on 2015-01-29
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- trackbot, prepare teleconference
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 29 January 2015
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jan/0017.html
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- Regrets+ felix
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- Regrets+ dennis
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- agneda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
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- agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
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- agenda+ Indic Layout topics
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- agenda+ Predefined counter styles publication
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- I18N_WG()10:00AM has now started
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- +Steve_Atkin
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- + +1.650.426.aaaa
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- zakim, +1.650.426.aaaa is aphillip
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- +aphillip; got it
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- +Leandro
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- zakim, dial richard please
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +Richard
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Steve_Atkin, aphillip, Leandro, Richard
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- On IRC I see David, Leandro, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
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- +??P9
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- Zakim, +??P9 is me
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- sorry, David, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'
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- Zakim, ??P9 is me
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- +David; got it
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Steve_Atkin, aphillip, Leandro, Richard, David
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- On IRC I see JcK, David, Leandro, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
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- Topic: Agenda
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- agenda?
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- Topic: Action Items
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- +JcK
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- close action-365
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- Closed action-365.
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- +koji
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- close action-391
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- Closed action-391.
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- action-392?
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- action-392 -- Richard Ishida to Follow up on lock-step publishing counter styles wg document to match css by checking on their status -- due 2015-01-29 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/392
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- richard: did follow up, haven't heard date from them
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- ... asking for publication here so we can move when we find out
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- close action-393
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- Closed action-393.
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- close action-395
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- Closed action-395.
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- Topic: Info Share
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- JcK: posted a note about IDN situation at IETF and UTC
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- http://rishida.net/scripts/bopomofo/ontheweb.html
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- richard: worked on above article/page
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- ... sums up what I know about bopomofo
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- ... and tone marks
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- ... in contact with folks in taiwan
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- ... including ministry of education
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- koji: how is clreq going?
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- richard: had some long calls with chinese folks
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- ... talked about clreq
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- ... have list of chapters that will/wont'b e ready by march
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- ... march for first public
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- ... lots of time off in feb
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- ... adding simplified bits, since t.chinese done first
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- ... then translate and polish
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- richard: ruby section now complete in chinese
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- ... only one in English so far
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- ... look out for it
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- koji: does it cover markup and render?
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- richard: talks about what one would expect to see
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Chinese_layout_progress
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- koji: if want to know how to mark up bopomofo, what do you recommend?
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- richard: don't know if that exists
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- public-i18n-cjk@
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- richard: hackpad version points to wrong version
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- ... (hmm...)
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- ... go to TOC
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- https://clreq.hackpad.com/Ruby_en-LEZdmNzTVUf
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: expect bopomofo to markup same way as japanese
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- ... just use <rt> tag
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- ... painful
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- .... current implementations are all hacks
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
- 15:20:17 [r12a]
- because html/css doesn't yet support bopomofo ruby
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- Steve: fininshing up linked data patch
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
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- action: richard: follow up on Korean Layout Requirements comments,et al (expected due date in late Feburary)
- 15:23:35 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-396 - Follow up on korean layout requirements comments,et al (expected due date in late feburary) [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-02-05].
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- agenda?
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- action: addison: ping norbert about js progress status
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- Created ACTION-397 - Ping norbert about js progress status [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-02-05].
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Predefined counter styles publication" taken up [from aphillip]
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- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/counter-styles/
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- richard: went through and compared to latest counter styles css
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- ... that's going to CR
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- ... added notes
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- ... put some things back into core spec
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- ... mozilla implemented some
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- ... odd choices
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- ... all in spec have two implementations except tamil
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- ... these are also in our predefined
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- ... pointers back to css spec
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- ... change marks in section 1.2
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- ... how to use
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- richard: green light to publish as new WD
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- ... cr period might change things
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- ... indeed had greek comments
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- chair: approve?
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- Steve +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- Note sure I understand all the issues, but +1
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- chair: approved for publication as a WD
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Steve_Atkin, aphillip, Leandro, Richard, David, JcK, koji
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- On IRC I see prashant, JcK, David, Leandro, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
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- action: richard: publish predefined counter styles as WD when CSS publishes counter styles as CR
- 15:30:40 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-398 - Publish predefined counter styles as wd when css publishes counter styles as cr [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-02-05].
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- Topic: AOB?
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- Topic: Bopomofo
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- richard: look at my article first? will change as we develop
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- jck: if we want to discuss ietf/utc, should say
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- richard: saw asmus did a summary
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: is there a summary?
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- jck: mailing list on old idna-bis
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- ... opinions
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- ... asmus and I traded clarifications
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- ... heated opinions with range of variation
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- ... headed to a separate normalization form for identifiers?
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- ... unicode properties may no support this??
- 15:44:35 [Leandro]
- Need to sign off, talk to you next wekk
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- -Leandro
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- -JcK
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- -Steve_Atkin
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- -David
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- -aphillip
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- -koji
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 15:48:44 [koji]
- r12a: the "questions" section is fantastic
- 15:52:59 [r12a]
- thanks koji
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- btw, i'm just editing it a little - i'll ping you when i'm done
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- Present: Addison, Richard, Leandro, JcK, Steve, David, Koji
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- zakim, bye
- 16:12:18 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Steve_Atkin, aphillip, Leandro, Richard, David, JcK, koji
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: richard: follow up on Korean Layout Requirements comments,et al (expected due date in late Feburary) [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-irc#T15-23-35
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- ACTION: addison: ping norbert about js progress status [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-irc#T15-25-16
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- ACTION: richard: publish predefined counter styles as WD when CSS publishes counter styles as CR [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-i18n-irc#T15-30-40