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15:56:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
15:56:30 <trackbot> Date: 28 January 2015
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15:56:44 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Jan/0020.html
15:57:01 <Steven> Chair: Steven
15:57:07 <Steven> Regrets: Alain, Nick
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16:01:34 <Zakim> +??P26
16:01:43 <Steven> zakim, I am ?
16:01:43 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
16:02:31 <Zakim> +ebruchez
16:02:58 <Steven> Topic: Section 10 (continued
16:03:10 <Steven> s/d/d)
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16:05:13 <Steven> Steven: Continuing from: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Jan/0016.html
16:05:33 <Steven> 10.5.7
16:05:33 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_xforms-compute-exception_Event
16:05:33 <Steven> We need to decide about the editorial note.
16:07:29 <Steven> Steven: Do we leave this in for last call?
16:07:57 <Steven> Erik: The solution used to be just to stop.
16:08:15 <Steven> ... I don't know who could provide feedback.
16:08:28 <Steven> ... I wrote this, I didn't go deeply into a solution.
16:09:06 <Steven> \... we need to understand the implications.
16:09:20 <Steven> ... maybe Alain has worked on this.
16:09:37 <Steven> Steven: So you haven't worked on this yet in your implementation
16:09:39 <Steven> Erik: No.
16:10:18 <Steven> Philip: I had to do something similar recently, and I find it difficult to see how to make it recoverable...
16:10:48 <Steven> Erik: It does seem difficult to do something significant.
16:11:27 <Steven> ..... we discussed the version-error event last time. That still stops processing.
16:12:05 <Steven> ... we still made it catchable. We could do the same here. Default stop processing, but make it catchable. Leave it to the author to work out.
16:13:02 <Steven> ... circular dependencies can happen after initialisation, because binds are dynamic
16:14:08 <Steven> Steven: Do we still call it an exception?
16:14:33 <Steven> Erik: I think we decided to call them all errors. Get rid of the distinction in the name.
16:15:16 <Steven> Steven: I agree that this is the way to go.
16:15:30 <Steven> Erik: We still need to provide some text.
16:16:32 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to write text to cover what happens with an xforms-compute-error in section 10.5.7
16:16:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2002 - Write text to cover what happens with an xforms-compute-error in section 10.5.7 [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-02-04].
16:16:54 <Steven> Steven: Moving on - 10.6 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#Event_Sequencing
16:16:54 <Steven> Should we include initialization as a sub-section?
16:17:33 <Steven> Steven: It's fairly obvious, but seems worth including.
16:18:09 <Steven> ... contruct*, construct-done, xforms-ready
16:18:19 <Steven> s/cont/const/
16:18:53 <Steven> Steven: Any objections?
16:18:56 <Steven> [None]
16:19:13 <Steven> Action: Steven to add initialisation event sequence tfor section 10.6
16:19:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2003 - Add initialisation event sequence tfor section 10.6 [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-04].
16:19:36 <Steven> Steven: My last point - 10.7
16:19:36 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#Resolving_ID_References_in_XForms
16:19:36 <Steven> Does this really belong here?
16:21:19 <Steven> Erik: It's rather general. It's not document structure, expressions, etc. Maybe there's no other place
16:25:42 <Steven> Steven: I'm OK with it being here, but section 3, which includes the definition of @id should at least point to it.
16:26:10 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reference 10.7 from section 3 on @id.
16:26:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2004 - Reference 10.7 from section 3 on @id. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-04].
16:27:07 <Steven> Steven: Section 10.1 Event Overview http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#Events_Overview
16:27:48 <Steven> Steven: I propose adding columns for "Notification only", and for "Context"
16:27:55 <Steven> ... then the table is much more usable.
16:28:14 <Steven> Steven: I assume no objections
16:28:32 <Steven> \ACTION: Steven to add two new cols to table in 10.1 events overview
16:29:06 <Steven> Topic: DOMActivate and its default action
16:29:15 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Jan/0018.html
16:29:36 <Steven> Steven: Basically we are inconsistent about DOMActivate
16:32:31 <Steven> Steven: My proposal is to say that DOMActivate has different default actions depending on the element generating
16:32:47 <Steven> ... it, and that it is still cancellable.
16:33:02 <Steven> Erik: Fine, as long as it is compatible with HTML.
16:33:27 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to specify default action for DOMActivate
16:33:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2005 - Specify default action for domactivate [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-04].
16:33:54 <Steven> Topic: AOB
16:34:14 <Steven> Steven: I propose we stop here, and save section 11 for next week.
16:34:23 <Steven> Erik: Regrets for next week.
16:34:39 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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16:35:48 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to add two new cols to table in 10.1 events overview
16:35:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2006 - Add two new cols to table in 10.1 events overview [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-04].
16:36:33 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to add two new cols to table in 10.1 events overview
16:36:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2007 - Add two new cols to table in 10.1 events overview [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-04].
16:36:38 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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