IRC log of svg-a11y on 2015-01-16
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- meeting: SVG Accessibility task Force
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- chair: Fred
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- 1. Reminder on SVG2 Accessibility API Mappings (Rich) 2 minutes
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- 2. Action 1 update - where are we on definitions for staw man taxonomy (Fred) 2 minutes
- 14:06:36 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- this #svg-a11y is 2742
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- 3. Joint meeting with SVG WG (Doug) 5 minutes
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- 3. Review of chart type taxonomy (Doug)
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- AGENDA: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2015Jan/0005.html
- 14:08:58 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
- 14:09:00 [fesch]
- scribe: fesch
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- rs: discussion on SVG2 Accessibility API Mappings
- 14:14:02 [shepazu]
- q+
- 14:15:26 [fesch]
- fesch: can start email threads on taxonomy definitions
- 14:15:57 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- fred: posted a .doc file of the taxonomy
- 14:16:12 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- fred: will post an HMTL version
- 14:16:12 [fesch]
- doug: please use HTML format instead of docs
- 14:17:26 [fesch]
- TOPIC: Chart type Taxonomy
- 14:17:28 [shepazu]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2015Jan/0006.html
- 14:17:33 [AmeliaBR]
- Doug's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2015Jan/0006.html
- 14:18:42 [fesch]
- doug: I think it is good to come from both angles - doesn't see a big difference between the staw man taxonomy
- 14:20:01 [fesch]
- doug: chart type taxonomy has more properties - roles, category, values, parent applies to...
- 14:33:08 [fesch]
- doug: describing axis
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- fesch: issues on "aria-axisdimension"
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- doug: may have different level of abstractions - depending on whether we have well known charts or not
- 14:37:25 [fesch]
- jw: aria defines a ontology which is a conceptional hierarchy, and we may have very specific kind some may instantiate and some more abstract
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- jw: lets think of this a hierarchy
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- doug: in aria 1 you can't instantiate an higher level abstract role, we will allow instantiating higher level roles
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- rich: discussion on aria-axisdimension can be a attribute...
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- rich: don't need to include role in the attribute name -ie aria-axisdimension could be dimension
- 14:42:27 [fesch]
- doug: thinks the long name aria-axisdimension makes it easier for software to read it
- 14:50:06 [fesch]
- fesch: discussion on axis vs dimensions
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- doug: lets delay detailed discussion on axis vs dimension
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- doug: described legends
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- doug: described dataset
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- doug: might have multiple datasets in a chart
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- fred: does a dataset = a table?
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- amelia: a dataset could be a table and rows are a data point
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- doug: data set may not = a table
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- amelia: likes term facet
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- doug: tried to limit aria roles and attributes to make it easy to put in the SVG
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- doug: tried to map to objects in the SVG
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- rs: doug is saying axis is an important container... affects the mapping specification which we need to consider
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- doug: advantage is you must be explicit so the screen reader can extract the information
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- rs: each role has a defined name computation strategy - two ways to approach it, name from content... we don't want name from context
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- doug: mentions different facets, x, y, legend, size.... might have invisible facet in there
- 15:09:45 [fesch]
- rs: what is strategy on axis labels?
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- doug: strategy varies
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- doug: for value min and value max might be better strategy than worrying about axis ticks
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- doug: should have document on interaction modes
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- rs: graphs may be scrollable....
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- rs: do you think scrollable interaction is valuable or not?
- 15:14:34 [fesch]
- doug: yes
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- fesch: defender view vs scrollable, zoomable - scrollable, zoomable get whole chart, defender view - get a window - as a entire chart
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- amelia: likes strategy of focusing on mappings... will work on strawmen and keeping stuff general
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/16-svg-a11y-minutes.html fesch
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