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14:03:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: SVG Accessibility task Force
14:03:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Fred
14:06:34 <fesch> 1. Reminder on SVG2 Accessibility API Mappings (Rich) 2 minutes
14:06:35 <fesch> 2.  Action 1 update  - where are we on definitions for staw man taxonomy (Fred) 2 minutes
14:06:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> this #svg-a11y is 2742
14:06:37 <fesch> 3. Joint meeting with SVG WG (Doug)  5 minutes
14:06:38 <fesch> 3.  Review of chart type taxonomy (Doug)
14:08:14 <AmeliaBR> AGENDA: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2015Jan/0005.html
14:08:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
14:09:00 <fesch> scribe: fesch
14:09:54 <fesch> rs: discussion on SVG2 Accessibility API Mappings
14:14:02 <shepazu> q+
14:15:26 <fesch> fesch: can start email threads on taxonomy definitions
14:15:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: posted a .doc file of the taxonomy
14:16:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: will post an HMTL version
14:16:12 <fesch> doug: please use HTML format instead of docs
14:17:26 <fesch> TOPIC: Chart type Taxonomy
14:17:28 <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2015Jan/0006.html
14:17:33 <AmeliaBR> Doug's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-a11y/2015Jan/0006.html
14:18:42 <fesch> doug:  I think it is good to come from both angles - doesn't see a big difference between the staw man taxonomy
14:20:01 <fesch> doug: chart type taxonomy has more properties - roles, category, values, parent applies to...
14:33:08 <fesch> doug: describing axis
14:33:36 <fesch> fesch: issues on "aria-axisdimension"
14:35:25 <fesch> doug: may have different level of abstractions  - depending on whether we have well known charts or not
14:37:25 <fesch> jw: aria defines a ontology which is a conceptional hierarchy, and we may have very specific kind some may instantiate and some more abstract
14:37:52 <fesch> jw: lets think of this a hierarchy
14:39:11 <fesch> doug: in aria 1 you can't instantiate an higher level abstract role, we will allow instantiating higher level roles
14:40:45 <fesch> rich: discussion on aria-axisdimension can be a attribute...
14:41:48 <fesch> rich: don't need to include role in the attribute name  -ie aria-axisdimension could be dimension
14:42:27 <fesch> doug: thinks the long name aria-axisdimension makes it easier for software to read it
14:50:06 <fesch> fesch: discussion on axis vs dimensions
14:51:21 <fesch> doug: lets delay detailed discussion on axis vs dimension
14:55:37 <fesch> doug: described legends
14:55:56 <fesch> doug: described dataset
14:57:02 <fesch> doug: might have multiple datasets in a chart
14:58:39 <fesch> fred: does a dataset = a table?
14:59:31 <fesch> amelia: a dataset could be a table and rows are a data point
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15:00:08 <fesch> doug: data set may not = a table
15:01:56 <fesch>  amelia: likes term facet
15:02:51 <fesch> doug: tried to limit aria roles and attributes to make it easy to put in the SVG
15:04:12 <fesch> doug: tried to map to objects in the SVG
15:05:05 <fesch> rs: doug is saying axis is an important container... affects the mapping specification which we need to consider
15:06:08 <fesch> doug: advantage is you must be explicit so the screen reader can extract the information
15:07:01 <fesch> rs: each role has a defined name computation strategy - two ways to approach it, name from content... we don't want name from context
15:08:04 <fesch> doug: mentions different facets, x, y, legend, size.... might have invisible facet in there
15:09:45 <fesch> rs: what is strategy on axis labels?
15:10:13 <fesch> doug: strategy varies
15:11:10 <fesch> doug: for value min and value max might be better strategy than worrying about axis ticks
15:12:09 <fesch> doug: should have document on interaction modes
15:12:45 <fesch> rs: graphs may be scrollable....
15:14:15 <fesch> rs: do you think scrollable interaction is valuable or not?
15:14:34 <fesch> doug: yes
15:17:20 <fesch> fesch: defender view vs scrollable, zoomable - scrollable, zoomable get whole chart, defender view - get a window - as a entire chart
15:22:41 <AmeliaBR> q+
15:24:53 <fesch> amelia: likes strategy of focusing on mappings... will work on strawmen and keeping stuff general
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