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21:58:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
21:58:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_Indie()5:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
21:58:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
21:58:42 <trackbot> Date: 17 December 2014
21:58:53 <janina> agenda?
21:58:56 <janina> Chair:  Janina_Sajka
21:58:56 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
21:58:56 <janina> agenda+ End of Year Telecon Scheduling -- Reminder
21:58:56 <janina> agenda+ Checkin with Web Apps' Editing TF [See below]
21:58:56 <janina> agenda+ Editor's Report
21:58:59 <janina> agenda+ `Events Spec Changes Vis a Vis Editing TF
21:59:01 <janina> agenda+ User Context -- TPAC Followup
21:59:04 <janina> agenda+ Reconsidering Our Timelines
21:59:06 <janina> agenda+ Requirements & Use Cases Progress
21:59:09 <janina> agenda+ Testing Conversation; Polyfills
21:59:11 <janina> agenda+ User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3
21:59:14 <janina> agenda+ Events Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/2
21:59:17 <janina> agenda+  Other Business
21:59:19 <Zakim> WAI_Indie()5:00PM has now started
21:59:20 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
21:59:26 <Zakim> +??P4
21:59:31 <janina>  zakim, ??P4 is me
21:59:31 <Zakim> +janina; got it
21:59:36 <janina> zakim, next item
21:59:36 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
22:00:07 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:00:49 <taken> taken has joined #indie-ui
22:02:23 <Zakim> +??P1
22:02:44 <Zakim> +??P2
22:02:48 <kurosawa> Zakim, ??P1 is me
22:02:48 <Zakim> +kurosawa; got it
22:03:14 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
22:03:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Katie_Haritos-Shea, kurosawa, Michael_Cooper
22:03:30 <Zakim> +[Apple]
22:03:41 <jcraig> Zakim, Apple is jcraig
22:03:41 <Zakim> +jcraig; got it
22:05:06 <Zakim> + +1.609.906.aaaa
22:05:35 <janina> zakim, +aaaa is Jason_White
22:05:35 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa'
22:05:51 <janina> zakim, aaaa is Jason_White
22:05:51 <Zakim> +Jason_White; got it
22:06:16 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
22:06:25 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
22:06:25 <Zakim> agendum 2. "End of Year Telecon Scheduling -- Reminder" taken up [from janina]
22:06:46 <MichaelC> js: no more meetings in 2014 after today
22:06:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> richardschwerdtfeger has joined #indie-ui
22:07:03 <MichaelC> next meeting is Wednesday 7 January 2015
22:07:15 <MichaelC> back on bi-weekly schedule from there
22:07:34 <MichaelC> though not many working days between now and then, will use it to kick off the year
22:07:36 <Zakim> -Jason_White
22:07:40 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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22:08:45 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
22:08:45 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
22:08:46 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:08:46 <Zakim> 3. Checkin with Web Apps' Editing TF [from See below via janina]
22:08:48 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 4
22:08:48 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Editor's Report" taken up [from janina]
22:09:23 <MichaelC> jc: Events spec on hold until editing task force determines their events structure
22:09:42 <MichaelC> then we´ll know what needs to be done with IndieUI Events
22:09:49 <MichaelC> can still publish a heartbeat if there´s enough there
22:10:06 <MichaelC> for User Context, several features are being incorporated into CSS4
22:10:10 <MichaelC> some already in webkit nightly
22:10:17 <MichaelC> monochrome and color inversion
22:10:51 <MichaelC> also discussed some visual features with them
22:11:06 <Zakim> +Jason_White
22:11:35 <MichaelC> more recently, in CSS some have expressed support for adding a security model to media queries
22:11:47 <MichaelC> or to develop a shared security model between IndieUI and CSS
22:12:19 <MichaelC> use case: implementer wants info about caption font preferences
22:12:24 <MichaelC> could leak information about user
22:12:45 <MichaelC> but useful to some sites, so should have a model to make available on per domain basis
22:13:14 <MichaelC> rs: is IndieUI API in webkit nightlys?
22:13:22 <MichaelC> jc: a patch exists, but needed more work
22:13:37 <MichaelC> staffing changes have stalled further work
22:14:09 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
22:14:09 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
22:14:11 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:14:11 <Zakim> 3. Checkin with Web Apps' Editing TF [from See below via janina]
22:14:16 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 7
22:14:16 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Reconsidering Our Timelines" taken up [from janina]
22:14:45 <MichaelC> js: is it useful, or anti-useful to publish heartbeat of Events while we sort stuff out?
22:15:05 <MichaelC> rs: Events could proceed, user context might want to sit on
22:15:53 <MichaelC> jc: there are some significant changes since last WD
22:16:06 <MichaelC> js: so let´s do in Jan
22:17:39 <jcraig> Current ED has 1.5 years of updates:
22:17:40 <jcraig> http://rawgit.com/w3c/indie-ui/master/src/indie-ui-events.html
22:17:44 <MichaelC> doable?
22:17:54 <jcraig> Substantive, normative changes since the last public working draft
22:17:54 <jcraig> 18-Aug-2013: Enum constants formerly defined in UIScrollRequestEvent, UIValueChangeRequestEvent, and UIFocusRequestEvent have been changed to WebIDL enumeration identifier strings. (ACTION-64)
22:17:55 <MichaelC> mc: let´s do CfC to publish on the 7th closes the 14th
22:17:56 <jcraig> 18-Aug-2013: Event initializer dictionaries (UIRequestEventInit, UIFocusRequestEventInit) were missing inheritance declarations in the IDL.
22:17:57 <jcraig> 22-Aug-2013: Feature detection section recommends direct object detection now rather than using DOMImplementation.hasFeature().
22:17:59 <MichaelC> then we can publish 22 Jan
22:17:59 <jcraig> 5-Mar-2014: Added continuous events for Manipulation Requests (zoom, pan, move, rotate) as well as for Scroll Requests.
22:18:00 <jcraig> 15-May-2014: New UI Triggers section.
22:18:00 <jcraig> 16-May-2014: New UI Manipulators section (partial).
22:18:41 <MichaelC> js: what about user context?
22:18:51 <MichaelC> jc: there´s only been one key change since FPWD
22:19:18 <MichaelC> mc: what was outcome of TPAC discussion?
22:19:23 <MichaelC> jc: resulted in changes to CSS
22:20:55 <MichaelC> pointer precision
22:21:50 <MichaelC> some pointers have more inherent precision than others
22:22:08 <jcraig> action-91?
22:22:08 <trackbot> action-91 -- James Craig to Add additional keys from CSS4 Media Queries: light-level, hover, pointer, etc. http://dev.w3.org/csswg/mediaqueries-4/#pointer -- due 2014-09-24 -- OPEN
22:22:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/91
22:22:10 <MichaelC> some input devices have natural tremor that has to be accounted for
22:22:17 <MichaelC> which overlaps with hand tremor etc.
22:22:21 <jcraig> action-93?
22:22:21 <trackbot> action-93 -- James Craig to Consider transparency reduction preference -- due 2014-10-01 -- OPEN
22:22:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/93
22:22:53 <MichaelC> some other stuff from TPAC might be stuff we could publish in Spring
22:23:29 <jcraig> action-94?
22:23:29 <trackbot> action-94 -- James Craig to Consider increased contrast setting in addition to user colors -- due 2014-10-01 -- OPEN
22:23:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/94
22:24:38 <MichaelC> mc: for events heartbeat, should we add to intro / status about work with WebApps?
22:25:37 <MichaelC> action: cooper to draft frontmatter for webapps relationship for indieui events
22:25:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Draft frontmatter for webapps relationship for indieui events [on Michael Cooper - due 2014-12-24].
22:26:04 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
22:26:04 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
22:26:05 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:26:05 <Zakim> 3. Checkin with Web Apps' Editing TF [from See below via janina]
22:26:12 <MichaelC> topic: Schema
22:26:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility#accessibilityFeature_in_detail
22:26:30 <MichaelC> rs: have actio to create edits for user context spec for schema.org
22:26:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
22:26:51 <MichaelC> these are resource metadata
22:26:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pb92piOlud5sXQadXYnbmtp9LCut26gv8ku-qqZTwec/edit#gid=0
22:26:59 <MichaelC> I am creating a proposed mapping for properties
22:27:06 <MichaelC> in above doc
22:27:27 <MichaelC> have to share on request
22:28:18 <MichaelC> feel free to edit
22:30:34 <MichaelC> trying to steer towards more booleans
22:33:41 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 12
22:33:41 <Zakim> agendum 12. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
22:33:48 <MichaelC> js: Lots of other agenda that we need to get to
22:34:06 <MichaelC> but aren´t anywhere now on those topics
22:34:25 <MichaelC> so let´s adjourn for the year
22:34:42 <Zakim> -jcraig
22:34:45 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:34:49 <MichaelC> Next Meeting: 7 January 2015
22:35:04 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
22:35:07 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:35:12 <Zakim> -janina
22:35:14 <Zakim> -kurosawa
22:35:17 <Zakim> -Jason_White
22:35:18 <Zakim> WAI_Indie()5:00PM has ended
22:35:18 <Zakim> Attendees were janina, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Michael_Cooper, kurosawa, jcraig, +1.609.906.aaaa, Jason_White, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
22:35:20 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
22:35:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-indie-ui-minutes.html MichaelC
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