IRC log of w3process on 2014-12-16
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- Zakim, this will be Process
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- Meeting: Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference
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- Date: 16 December 2014
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- chair: SteveZ
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- scribe: timeless
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- Zakim, who is on the call?
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- On the phone I see +1.416.440.aaaa, SteveZ
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- Zakim, aaaa is me
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- +timeless; got it
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- +Jeff
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0069.html
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- zakom, code?
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- s/zakom, code?//
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 7762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chaals
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [ip is me
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- +chaals; got it
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- topic: Timeline
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- jeff: there is an AB meeting in January, but it's very early
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- q+
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- ... there's an AB F2F meeting in Japan, Feb 11-12
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- ... there's a March meeting, but that would be tight to the XXX meeting
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- s/XXX/AC/
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- SteveZ: the February AB overlaps w/ CSS in Australia
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- s/XXX/early May AC/
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- s|s/XXX/early May AC/||
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- s/AC/early May AC/
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- ack chaals
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- chaals: i was hoping we were targeting the March meeting
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- ... to allow some time to waffle around for late April
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- ... which would get us to an end of April document for AC review at the meeting
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- s/waffle around/go back and forth a bit/
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- SteveZ: the tradition is to send it out for one AC review before the final review
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- ... jeff is talking about a LC before Final Review
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- ... w/ March, we don't have that LC
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- jeff: it's also difficult to get full AC attention on a 2 hour phone call
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- ... a F2F meeting allows more time/detail
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- ... to chaals's point, it's possible that the 2 day AB meeting might raise additional thought that we might bring back to the TF
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- ... if the Feb meeting is a review of the TF's final report
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- ... there may be another iteration
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- q+
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- ... if we do a thorough review in Feb, and do a superficial review in March, i think that makes sense
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- ack chaals
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- chaals: the other point i'd raise is that it isn't like we've made a lot of changes
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- ... if we're cruising along at the pace we're cruising along at, I'd be comfortable w/ less review
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- ... We told AC about Acitivities
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- ... I doubt that it's particularly controversial
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- ... the Coordination Group stuff is probably not controversial
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- ... Good Standing isn't much
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- ... The rest is tweaking
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- jeff: plus Errata
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- chaals: if we came to a final conclusion on Errata, I couldn't find it
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- SteveZ: we haven't yet, it's on the agenda for today
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- q+ to partly agree with Chaals
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- chaals: even so, it's a set of signalled/pre-explained-changes
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- SteveZ: the last AC review in time for the June AC meeting did produce a substantial number of comments which would have been nice to get sooner
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- chaals: that's why we produce a draft for AC
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- ... last year we made a lot more changes than this year
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- ack jeff
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- jeff, you wanted to partly agree with Chaals
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- jeff: we haven't made a lot of changes, not a lot of changes on the docket
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- ... since there aren't a lot of changes, let's just get them done by Feb
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- ... to chaals 's point, if we hit on something which is really important and we need more time for that, we can drag it into March
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- ... but i don't think we will need to, so why drag?
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- SteveZ: my feeling too
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- topic: Review Open Action Items
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- topic: Review Open Action Items
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- -> https://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/open Open Actions
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- SteveZ: i did action-40
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- action-40
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- action-40 -- Steve Zilles to Look at simplifying coordination groups to meet judy's needs -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/40
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- SteveZ: that's been completed
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- ... i produced a document for action-43
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- action-43
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- action-43 -- Steve Zilles to Will confirm that all musts about the team would be covered by delegating from director -- due 2014-12-02 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/43
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- ... i produced half of action-44
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- action-44
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- action-44 -- Steve Zilles to Draft text on coordiantion responsibility for the process document and edit guide to begin collecting best practicres for same -- due 2014-12-16 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/actions/44
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- s/.../SteveZ:/
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- SteveZ: action-43 is issue-145
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- ... action-40 and action-44 is issue-129
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- s/is/are/
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- ... issue-140/issue-145 is the Team section
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html chaals
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- chaals: i changed the CEO from Chair, I couldn't find the resolution of what we'd do for the rest
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- SteveZ: there wasn't a resolution, it's on the agenda for today
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- ... i went through and found the various places where ceo/chief-operating-officer was referenced
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- ... i believe toward the bottom of the list... i listed 3
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- Steve, link to list?
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- ... Chair to AB
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- ... Team appoints chair of these (AC Meetings)
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- ... Director / W3C Chair / COO have responsibility for consensus
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- chaals: i believe i did those three
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- jeff: i don't think you changed COO
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- ... Paragraph 5, first sentence
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- chaals: yes, i left that, i'm waiting for a resolution on that section
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- SteveZ: prior team / chair leads member relations/liaisons
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- ... it was originally envisioned to have different people for the roles
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- ... that split never happened, and is less likely now
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- ... my recommendation is to drop the split description
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- ... what i thought was useful was Paragraph 2 in section 10 on Liaisons
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- ... which says that Team
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- ... I said XXQ due to requirements on public communications
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- ... it seemed to me that it made sense to call out a specific person
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- s/XXQ/change the liaison management from "team" to "team under leadership of the CEO"
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- s/XXQ/All liaisons MUST be coordinated by the Team under the leadership of the CEO /
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- s|s/XXQ/All liaisons MUST be coordinated by the Team under the leadership of the CEO /||
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- SteveZ: i'd drop any further mention of CEO/COO
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- ... in the Team section, you said you (chaals) didn't change COO?
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- ... i'd just remove those lines
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- ... as they refer to roles that don't exist
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- +dsinger
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- jeff: i thought we'd leave QQQ
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- chaals: yes, we leave that in
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- The e-mail is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0001.html
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- >> Note: There are responsibilities assigned to the W3C Chair and COO that should be transferred to the CEO with this process revision. These are:
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- -chaals
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- 1. The Team appoints the Chair of the Advisory Board<http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#AB>, who is generally the W3C Chair (change to CEO)
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- 2. The Team appoints the Chair of these [the AC] meetings (generally the W3C Chair<http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#def-W3CChair> or Chief Operating Officer) (change to CEO)
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- 3. The Director, W3C Chair, and COO have the role of assessing consensus within the Advisory Committee.(change "W3C Chair and COO" to "CEO"
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- chaals: those three changes i have done
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- Last change: who declared consensus? The 3 have to be unanimous?
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- S/declared/declares/
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- 2.2 The W3C Team
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- Paragraph 2, First sentence, "The Team is led by the Director, W3C Chair, and Chief Operating Officer."
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- Paragraph 4, First sentence, "The W3C Chair leads Member relations, and liaisons<http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#Liaisons> with other organizations, governments, and the public."
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- Paragraph 5, First sentence, "The Chief Operating Officer (COO) leads the operation of W3C as an organization: a collection of people, Host institutions<http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#hosts>, and processes.
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- SteveZ: Paragraph 4/5 are there because of the Split of roles, that never actually occurred
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- jeff: do we still have good standing?
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- chaals: yes, because we haven't agreed on director's responsibilities
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- ... good standing is removed, but if the rest of the paragraph is going, then i can wait
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- jeff: why remove the paragraph?
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- chaals: it's repetitive
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- SteveZ: w/ one exception, the director's responsibilities are distributed throughout the document
- 15:34:13 [chaals]
- s/it's repetitive/it repeats content already included/
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- q+
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- ... it's the "Lead Technical Architect" line
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- ... that's the one piece not already covered elsewhere
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- q+ dsinger to ask who declares consensus
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- ack jeff
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- jeff: i'd like to offer an opinion, and at least discuss w/ Director + AB
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- ... we still have a significant document (10 pages?)
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- ... the role of director in w3c is pretty essential
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- ... i don't think redundancy is bad
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- ... if you think this paragraph is a poor replica
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- ... there are other ways to fix it
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- ... The director is the Lead Technical Architect, among them are ...
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- ... i think it's important to have something about the Director early on in the document
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- q+
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- SteveZ: the sentence about Lead Technical Architect is the one thing that isn't elsewhere
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- ... i suggest it remain, but possibly elsewher
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- ... i strongly believe that duplication leads to confusion
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- s/elsewher/elsewhere/
- 15:39:13 [Dsinger_]
- Duplication leads to errors when one section is revised and not the other
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- ... i'd suggest text that says "his roles are described throughout this document"
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- jeff: we mention things where they show up, and in section 2 we say how they fit
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- ... in 2.3 AB we say AB manages evolution of the process document
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- ... we say it again in section 12
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- ... do we remove that redundancy as well?
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- ... we have them listed in different sections because they're different perspectives
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- q/
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- s|q/||
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- ack chaals
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- q+
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- chaals: yes, absolutely, i want to remove all of the redundancies
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- ... if this document were 1/3 shorter but not having repeated sentences saying almost the same thing
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- ... it would be a lot easier for people to look at/understand
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- ... or identify missing bits
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- ... there are serious Lacuna in this document
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- ... i'd really love to be able to say "any time i can find 2 places that say the same thing, the editor is authorized to identify one and remove it"
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- ack Dsinger_
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- ack Dsinger_
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- ack Ds
- 15:41:33 [Zakim]
- dsinger, you wanted to ask who declares consensus
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- Dsinger_: i mostly agree w/ chaals, about removing redundancy
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- ... but in the case jeff sited, when you're reading about AB, you need to know about AB
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- ... and when you're reading about Process, you need to know about it too
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- ... making it shorter and not repeating it is a good goal, but not hard-and-fast
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- q+
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- jeff: i'm glad to hear what Dsinger_ said
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- ... he said he agreed w/ chaals, but he agreed w/ me
- 15:43:20 [Dsinger_]
- I agreed with two people who disagree! Neat trick
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- ... to chaals, when we do the edit task and remove 5 pages of text by removing redundancies, then i'll probably be supportive of that
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- q+
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- ... i don't agree w/ ppp
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- ack je
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- ... but as Dsinger_ said, you need to talk about the AB, and you need to talk about the Process
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- ack chaals
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- chaals: there's a reason i work the way i do
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- ... text change proposal, one-by-one
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- ... saying "here's the redundancy [i think i see]"
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- ... the frustration i have is that we've spent literally hours each on a paragraph
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- ... the ability to get through large chunks in a quarter is hard
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- [/me suspects that we will spend fewer than hours if we talk about worthwhile changes or consistent changes]
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- ... i'm happy to write off this paragraph
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- ... i'm happy to take a proposal whereby i line up pairs of statements, people say yes, i axe one, later they come back and read the document, and discover some redundancy should be put back
- 15:45:41 [timeless]
- ... i'm looking for a modus-operandi where we do some operandi
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- q+
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- ... only touching one line is entirely justified, but it's a circular argument
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- ack SteveZ
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- SteveZ: i proposed a concrete proposal: leave lead-architect line, drop all other pieces since they're listed elsewhere, and we add a small bit to liaison statement that seems useful
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- ... from what i've heard so far, i think everyone is happy w/ that
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- ... w/ an exception about having more text of director's roles
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- ... my concern is that either we put in pointers to all his roles, or put in none
- 15:47:26 [timeless]
- ... putting in pointers to half is bad, since it leaves the wrong impression (implying that it's all roles)
- 15:47:36 [timeless]
- ... i could put together a list of links, but even that's dangerous
- 15:47:45 [jeff]
- q+ to repeat his previous suggestion
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- chaals: if you draft a set of links, i'd want to stop editing the document
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- ack Dsinger_
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- Dsinger_: my suggestion is that we look at a tool is that there's a tool that automatically indexes
- 15:48:22 [timeless]
- ... a book is written w/ a tool that generates an index
- 15:48:35 [timeless]
- ... someone wants to look up director, they use the index
- 15:48:45 [timeless]
- ... why don't we put that on the back burner and see if we get a solution to that
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- chaals: i don't have such a tool
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- ... i don't have motivation to look for/learn one
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- timeless: +1 to Dsinger_
- 15:49:37 [timeless]
- ... we can ask someone else to help us get such a tool
- 15:49:41 [chaals]
- s/have motivation/have a lot of motivation/
- 15:49:50 [timeless]
- ... and we can do it for a future year's iteration of the document
- 15:49:57 [timeless]
- Dsinger_: can we ask darobin about it?
- 15:50:06 [timeless]
- SteveZ: i think Bikeshed might be able to do it
- 15:50:19 [timeless]
- ... as timeless points out, this isn't an issue for this year's version of the document
- 15:50:38 [timeless]
- ... jeff are you ok w/ a sentence "the additional duties of the director are described throughout the document."?
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- 15:50:57 [jeff]
- ack je
- 15:50:57 [Zakim]
- jeff, you wanted to repeat his previous suggestion
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- q?
- 15:51:28 [chaals]
- q+
- 15:51:47 [timeless]
- jeff: similar to SteveZ 's suggestion "director has role as L-T-A, responsibilities are described elsewhere in the document, some of the /key/ responsibilities include consensus, publishing TR, appointing chairs, handling appeals of WG decisions"
- 15:51:52 [timeless]
- ... i think that gives a helpful flavor
- 15:52:02 [timeless]
- ... it doesn't have to be linked, it doesn't have to be comprehensive
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- timeless: i can live with that
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- SteveZ: i can live with that
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- ... if it solves the problem and allows us to go with that
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- q?
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- ack chaals
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- chaals: i'm ok with "director is L-T-A"
- 15:52:57 [timeless]
- ... i despise additional text, i think it's a terrible idea
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- SteveZ: 5 people is hardly representative of the organization
- 15:53:31 [timeless]
- ... 4 people ... isn't bad
- 15:53:37 [Dsinger_]
- In cases like this I defer to the person willing to edit, however...
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- i/ok with/Dsinger_: ok by me/
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- SteveZ: do i hear objections to jeff 's paragraph?
- 15:53:58 [timeless]
- chaals: mine
- 15:54:08 [timeless]
- SteveZ: acknowledging objection
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- chaals: resolution is to remove Paragraph's 4+5
- 15:54:35 [timeless]
- ... add missing word
- 15:54:44 [timeless]
- ... and add responsibilities include
- 15:55:24 [chaals]
- s/add responsiiblities include/add director's duties are described throughout the document, some key ones include/
- 15:56:23 [chaals]
- RESOLUTION: remove paragraphs 4 and 5 of section 2.2 and in paragraph 3 add "director's duties are described throughout the document, some key ones include"
- 15:56:26 [Dsinger_]
- Issue-129?
- 15:56:26 [trackbot]
- Issue-129 -- Should the Process define Coordination Groups? -- open
- 15:56:26 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/129
- 15:56:36 [timeless]
- s/Issue-129?/Topic: Issue-129/
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- chaals: if we agree that the resolution to issue-129 is that we remove Coordination Groups and make no further changes
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- ... we were leaning there
- 15:57:32 [timeless]
- SteveZ: that's where i believe we are
- 15:57:58 [timeless]
- ... i'd make one change to the resolution, that we move mechanisms to a section of the guide for best practices on coordination
- 15:58:29 [jeff]
- q+
- 15:58:35 [timeless]
- ack jeff
- 15:59:20 [timeless]
- jeff: i don't think we decided on last week's call to drop coordination groups
- 15:59:28 [Dsinger_]
- ...and wide review should normally include review by coordination groups?
- 15:59:31 [timeless]
- ... SteveZ, would you be willing to discuss the final resolution with judy?
- 15:59:44 [timeless]
- ... i thought last week's discussion was very good
- 16:00:06 [timeless]
- SteveZ: i should have copied judy on action-44
- 16:00:23 [timeless]
- ... which says that there's already sufficient text for coordination
- 16:00:32 [timeless]
- chaals: is there support?
- 16:00:34 [timeless]
- [ yes ]
- 16:00:38 [timeless]
- SteveZ: any objections?
- 16:00:40 [timeless]
- [ none ]
- 16:00:41 [chaals]
- RESOLUTION: Remove the material on Coordination Groups from the Process Document
- 16:00:44 [Dsinger_]
- No objection
- 16:01:05 [chaals]
- action-44 is outstanding but associated
- 16:01:33 [chaals]
- ACTION: Steve to communicate the resolution of issue-129 to Judy Brewer
- 16:01:33 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-45 - Communicate the resolution of issue-129 to judy brewer [on Steve Zilles - due 2014-12-23].
- 16:01:51 [Zakim]
- -[IPcaller]
- 16:01:56 [chaals]
- thanks folks
- 16:02:03 [timeless]
- [ Adjourned ]
- 16:02:14 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:02:14 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html timeless
- 16:02:16 [timeless]
- s/[ Adjourned ]//
- 16:02:20 [timeless]
- topic: Errata
- 16:02:33 [timeless]
- SteveZ: we're waiting on PSIG
- 16:02:45 [timeless]
- ... i think there was some progress
- 16:03:07 [timeless]
- ... people realized that the problem they were worrying about wasn't really a problem since they were only looking at half of the section
- 16:03:36 [timeless]
- ... i only gave them text for the section that was changing (insufficient context)
- 16:03:45 [Dsinger_]
- Steve, can you point me at the big picture, plz?
- 16:03:54 [Dsinger_]
- ...in email...
- 16:05:35 [timeless]
- s/Steve, can you point me at the big picture, plz?//
- 16:05:43 [timeless]
- s/...in email...//
- 16:07:22 [timeless]
- s|... i don't agree w/ ppp||
- 16:08:02 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:08:02 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html timeless
- 16:09:01 [Zakim]
- -SteveZ
- 16:09:10 [Zakim]
- -dsinger
- 16:09:39 [Dsinger_]
- Dsinger_ has left #w3process
- 16:10:24 [jeff]
- bye, josh.
- 16:10:27 [Zakim]
- -Jeff
- 16:10:32 [timeless]
- s/\<chaals\> RESOLUTION:/\<timeless\> RESOLUTION:/
- 16:10:38 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html timeless
- 16:10:57 [timeless]
- s|s/\<chaals\> RESOLUTION:/\<timeless\> RESOLUTION:/||
- 16:11:18 [timeless]
- s/Last change: who declared consensus/Last change: who declares consensus/
- 16:11:25 [timeless]
- s|S/declared/declares/||
- 16:11:47 [timeless]
- s/add responsibilities include/add director's duties are described throughout the document, some key ones include/
- 16:11:51 [timeless]
- s|s/add responsiiblities include/add director's duties are described throughout the document, some key ones include/||
- 16:12:01 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:12:01 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html timeless
- 16:12:22 [timeless]
- s/bye, josh.//
- 16:12:45 [timeless]
- s/<chaals> RESOLUTION:/<timeless> RESOLUTION:/
- 16:12:48 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:12:48 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html timeless
- 16:13:02 [timeless]
- s/<chaals> RESOLUTION:/<timeless> RESOLUTION:/
- 16:13:23 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:13:23 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html timeless
- 16:13:39 [timeless]
- [ Adjourned ]
- 16:13:45 [timeless]
- trackbot, end meeting
- 16:13:45 [trackbot]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 16:13:45 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been SteveZ, +1.416.440.aaaa, timeless, Jeff, [IPcaller], chaals, dsinger
- 16:13:53 [timeless]
- s/[IPcaller], //
- 16:13:53 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 16:13:53 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html trackbot
- 16:13:54 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:13:54 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-actions.rdf :
- 16:13:54 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Steve to communicate the resolution of issue-129 to Judy Brewer [1]
- 16:13:54 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-irc#T16-01-33
- 16:13:57 [timeless]
- s/+1.416.440.aaaa, //
- 16:14:18 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #w3process
- 16:14:18 [RRSAgent]
- logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-irc
- 16:14:21 [timeless]
- s/+1.416.440.aaaa, //
- 16:14:28 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, make logs world
- 16:14:31 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:14:31 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html timeless
- 16:15:18 [timeless]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:15:18 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items