IRC log of aria-apg on 2014-10-24
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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- ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PF()12:30PM already started
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- Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 24 October 2014
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- +Jon_Gunderson
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- +??P3
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- zakim, IPcaller is Léonie_Watson
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- +Léonie_Watson; got it
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is LJWatson
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- sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
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- +Bryan_Garaventa
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- hello
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- zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
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- ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
- 16:43:20 [MichaelC]
- ack me
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- MC: We can't create sub-components in Bugzilla. Could use design pattern name in bug title, or could add a custom field when filing bugs - although the field wouldn't be exclusive to the ARIA coponent.
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- s/coponent/component/
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- scribe: Léonie Watson
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- scribenick: LJWatson
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- Chair: Matt King
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- Present: Matt King, Léonie Watson, Bryan Garaventa, Jon Gunderson, Michael Cooper
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/24-aria-apg-minutes.html LJWatson
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- LW: Suggest put design pattern title in bug title.
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- MC: For terminology clarity - product is ARIA, component is APG 1.1.
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- MK: We could have "Pattern name: Title summary"
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- BG: Use brackets?
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- MC: Helps to keep it simple.
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- BG: What about "APG-pattern-"?
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- LW: Lots of false positives with design pattern titles like "link" "checkbox" "button" etc.
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- MC: "Pattern-Design-pattern-name", for example "Pattern-Media-player-widget".
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- MK: Ok, we'll go with it.
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- Topic: Link design pattern
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#link
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- LW: It uses "tab chain", and rest of document uses "tab sequence" and "tab order" too. Confusing.
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- MK: The Shift f10 is Windows specific, possibly Linux too, but not on Apple platforms.
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- JG: Is that for author defined context or platform defined?
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- MK: Either.
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- JG: Should be author's responsibility to define correct platform shortcuts.
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- JG: As an author I don't think about context menus for native links, why should I have to for role link?
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- MK: Hmm. Don't know. Trying it now...
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- +??P3
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- MK: FF does not open standard link context menu when role=link.
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- LW: Design pattern doesn't metnion tabindex.
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- s/metnion/mention/
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/24-aria-apg-minutes.html LJWatson
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- JG: If it's something the browser should do it needs to go into the implimentation guide.
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- zakim, mute MichaelC_
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- sorry, MichaelC_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to MichaelC_
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- zakim, mute Michael
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- Michael_Cooper should now be muted
- 17:07:08 [LJWatson]
- BG: Not sure browser should handle it. What if want to provide own context menu? Which takes priority?
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- MK: You can take over the context menu on a standard link though.
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- BG: Simulated link has no resource locator.
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- MK: Would href work?
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- BG: Doubt it.
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- LW: Could we include a note to say the design pattern won't produce a context menu?
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- JG: Good warning to include.
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- MK: ARIA spec doesn't say anything about context actions.
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- BG: Make it more clear that interaction/navigation is the author's responsibility.
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- BG: Specify that onclick isn't sufficient on a non-interactive element.
- 17:12:25 [MichaelC_]
- ack me
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- ack Michael
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- zakim, unmute Michael
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- Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
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- Topic: Examples repo
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- MK: We want to get a repo for custom examples.
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- MC: Suggest we create a folder within the current APG repo for examples.
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- MC: Well get GT-pages setup.
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- MK: "Examples" would be a good name for that folder.
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- +1
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/24-aria-apg-minutes.html LJWatson
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- MK: Need to discuss in editors meeting?
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- MC: No, not for this I don't think.
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- ACTION: Léonie to create examples directory in practices Github repo, and add link example.
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- Created ACTION-1521 - Create examples directory in practices github repo, and add link example. [on Léonie Watson - due 2014-10-31].
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- +??P5
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- LW: Suggest we files separate bugs for separate issues.
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- MK: Even if they relate to same pattern?
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- MC: Would suggest separate bugs, yes.
- 17:28:06 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/
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- MC: Suggest we use the wiki for work planning, Bugzilla for specific bugs and/or Github for bugs against examples.
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- MK: Filing bugs.
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- BG: DOes link pattern mention hasPopup?
- 17:53:38 [LJWatson]
- MK: No, doesn't need to. Perhaps should be a note to that effect?
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- BG: What about when overriding default context menu?
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- MK: A hover menu?
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- MK: Even with Shift f10 that fails WCAG.
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- disconnecting the lone participant, Michael_Cooper, in WAI_PF()12:30PM
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- WAI_PF()12:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were Matt_King, Jon_Gunderson, Michael_Cooper, Léonie_Watson, Bryan_Garaventa