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16:32:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
16:32:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PF()12:30PM already started
16:32:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
16:32:02 <trackbot> Date: 24 October 2014
16:32:40 <Zakim> +Jon_Gunderson
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16:33:05 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Léonie_Watson
16:33:05 <Zakim> +Léonie_Watson; got it
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16:34:34 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa
16:38:57 <jongund> hello
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16:40:58 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
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16:43:20 <MichaelC> ack me
16:44:35 <LJWatson> MC: We can't create sub-components in Bugzilla. Could use design pattern name in bug title, or could add a custom field when filing bugs - although the field wouldn't be exclusive to the ARIA coponent.
16:44:56 <LJWatson> s/coponent/component/
16:45:01 <LJWatson> scribe: Léonie Watson
16:45:09 <LJWatson> scribenick: LJWatson
16:45:21 <LJWatson> Chair: Matt King
16:45:48 <LJWatson> Present: Matt King, Léonie Watson, Bryan Garaventa, Jon Gunderson, Michael Cooper
16:46:02 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:46:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/24-aria-apg-minutes.html LJWatson
16:47:22 <LJWatson> LW: Suggest put design pattern title in bug title.
16:47:47 <LJWatson> MC: For terminology clarity - product is ARIA, component is APG 1.1.
16:48:12 <LJWatson> MK: We could have "Pattern name: Title summary"
16:48:51 <LJWatson> BG: Use brackets?
16:49:07 <LJWatson> MC: Helps to keep it simple.
16:50:42 <LJWatson> BG: What about "APG-pattern-"?
16:51:00 <LJWatson> LW: Lots of false positives with design pattern titles like "link" "checkbox" "button" etc.
16:56:41 <LJWatson> MC: "Pattern-Design-pattern-name", for example "Pattern-Media-player-widget".
16:58:19 <LJWatson> MK: Ok, we'll go with it.
16:59:12 <LJWatson> Topic: Link design pattern
16:59:32 <LJWatson> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#link
17:00:51 <LJWatson> LW: It uses "tab chain", and rest of document uses "tab sequence" and "tab order" too. Confusing.
17:01:34 <LJWatson> MK: The Shift f10 is Windows specific, possibly Linux too, but not on Apple platforms.
17:02:04 <LJWatson> JG: Is that for author defined context or platform defined?
17:02:08 <LJWatson> MK: Either.
17:02:24 <LJWatson> JG: Should be author's responsibility to define correct platform shortcuts.
17:03:16 <LJWatson> JG: As an author I don't think about context menus for native links, why should I have to for role link?
17:03:34 <LJWatson> MK: Hmm. Don't know. Trying it now...
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17:05:14 <LJWatson> MK: FF does not open standard link context menu when role=link.
17:05:26 <LJWatson> LW: Design pattern doesn't metnion tabindex.
17:05:39 <LJWatson> s/metnion/mention/
17:05:46 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
17:05:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/24-aria-apg-minutes.html LJWatson
17:06:09 <Zakim> +??P3
17:06:19 <LJWatson> JG: If it's something the browser should do it needs to go into the implimentation guide.
17:06:38 <MichaelC_> zakim, mute MichaelC_
17:06:39 <Zakim> sorry, MichaelC_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to MichaelC_
17:06:44 <MichaelC_> zakim, mute Michael
17:06:44 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should now be muted
17:07:08 <LJWatson> BG: Not sure browser should handle it. What if want to provide own context menu? Which takes priority?
17:07:21 <LJWatson> MK: You can take over the context menu on a standard link though.
17:07:49 <LJWatson> BG: Simulated link has no resource locator.
17:08:03 <LJWatson> MK: Would href work?
17:08:06 <LJWatson> BG: Doubt it.
17:09:12 <LJWatson> LW: Could we include a note to say the design pattern won't produce a context menu?
17:09:24 <LJWatson> JG: Good warning to include.
17:09:51 <LJWatson> MK: ARIA spec doesn't say anything about context actions.
17:10:53 <LJWatson> BG: Make it more clear that interaction/navigation is the author's responsibility.
17:11:41 <LJWatson> BG: Specify that onclick isn't sufficient on a non-interactive element.
17:12:25 <MichaelC_> ack me
17:12:27 <MichaelC_> ack Michael
17:12:27 <MichaelC_> zakim, unmute Michael
17:12:28 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
17:15:59 <LJWatson> Topic: Examples repo
17:16:17 <LJWatson> MK: We want to get a repo for custom examples.
17:16:32 <LJWatson> MC: Suggest we create a folder within the current APG repo for examples.
17:16:44 <LJWatson> MC: Well get GT-pages setup.
17:17:21 <LJWatson> MK: "Examples" would be a good name for that folder.
17:17:24 <LJWatson> +1
17:18:47 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
17:18:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/24-aria-apg-minutes.html LJWatson
17:19:31 <LJWatson> MK: Need to discuss in editors meeting?
17:19:41 <LJWatson> MC: No, not for this I don't think.
17:21:48 <LJWatson> ACTION: Léonie to create examples directory in practices Github repo, and add link example.
17:21:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1521 - Create examples directory in practices github repo, and add link example. [on Léonie Watson - due 2014-10-31].
17:21:50 <Zakim> +??P5
17:22:01 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
17:22:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/24-aria-apg-minutes.html LJWatson
17:23:07 <LJWatson> LW: Suggest we files separate bugs for separate issues.
17:23:15 <LJWatson> MK: Even if they relate to same pattern?
17:23:22 <LJWatson> MC: Would suggest separate bugs, yes.
17:28:06 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/
17:31:43 <LJWatson> MC: Suggest we use the wiki for work planning, Bugzilla for specific bugs and/or Github for bugs against examples.
17:47:45 <LJWatson> MK: Filing bugs.
17:53:25 <LJWatson> BG: DOes link pattern mention hasPopup?
17:53:38 <LJWatson> MK: No, doesn't need to. Perhaps should be a note to that effect?
17:55:01 <LJWatson> BG: What about when overriding default context menu?
17:55:14 <LJWatson> MK: A hover menu?
17:55:28 <LJWatson> MK: Even with Shift f10 that fails WCAG.
18:00:01 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
18:00:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/24-aria-apg-minutes.html LJWatson
18:00:35 <LJWatson> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
18:00:41 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
18:00:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/24-aria-apg-minutes.html LJWatson
18:01:01 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
18:01:09 <Zakim> -Léonie_Watson
18:01:12 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper.a
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18:01:16 <Zakim> -Matt_King
18:06:17 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Michael_Cooper, in WAI_PF()12:30PM
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18:06:18 <Zakim> WAI_PF()12:30PM has ended
18:06:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Matt_King, Jon_Gunderson, Michael_Cooper, Léonie_Watson, Bryan_Garaventa