IRC log of aria-apg on 2014-10-24

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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PF()12:30PM already started
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 24 October 2014
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+Jon_Gunderson
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+??P3
16:33:05 [MichaelC]
zakim, IPcaller is Léonie_Watson
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+Léonie_Watson; got it
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zakim, [IPcaller] is LJWatson
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sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
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+Bryan_Garaventa
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hello
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zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
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ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
16:43:20 [MichaelC]
ack me
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MC: We can't create sub-components in Bugzilla. Could use design pattern name in bug title, or could add a custom field when filing bugs - although the field wouldn't be exclusive to the ARIA coponent.
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s/coponent/component/
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scribe: Léonie Watson
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scribenick: LJWatson
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Chair: Matt King
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Present: Matt King, Léonie Watson, Bryan Garaventa, Jon Gunderson, Michael Cooper
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LW: Suggest put design pattern title in bug title.
16:47:47 [LJWatson]
MC: For terminology clarity - product is ARIA, component is APG 1.1.
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MK: We could have "Pattern name: Title summary"
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BG: Use brackets?
16:49:07 [LJWatson]
MC: Helps to keep it simple.
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BG: What about "APG-pattern-"?
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LW: Lots of false positives with design pattern titles like "link" "checkbox" "button" etc.
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MC: "Pattern-Design-pattern-name", for example "Pattern-Media-player-widget".
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MK: Ok, we'll go with it.
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Topic: Link design pattern
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http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#link
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LW: It uses "tab chain", and rest of document uses "tab sequence" and "tab order" too. Confusing.
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MK: The Shift f10 is Windows specific, possibly Linux too, but not on Apple platforms.
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JG: Is that for author defined context or platform defined?
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MK: Either.
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JG: Should be author's responsibility to define correct platform shortcuts.
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JG: As an author I don't think about context menus for native links, why should I have to for role link?
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MK: Hmm. Don't know. Trying it now...
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Michael_Cooper
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MK: FF does not open standard link context menu when role=link.
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LW: Design pattern doesn't metnion tabindex.
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s/metnion/mention/
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JG: If it's something the browser should do it needs to go into the implimentation guide.
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zakim, mute MichaelC_
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sorry, MichaelC_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to MichaelC_
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zakim, mute Michael
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Michael_Cooper should now be muted
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BG: Not sure browser should handle it. What if want to provide own context menu? Which takes priority?
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MK: You can take over the context menu on a standard link though.
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BG: Simulated link has no resource locator.
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MK: Would href work?
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BG: Doubt it.
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LW: Could we include a note to say the design pattern won't produce a context menu?
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JG: Good warning to include.
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MK: ARIA spec doesn't say anything about context actions.
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BG: Make it more clear that interaction/navigation is the author's responsibility.
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BG: Specify that onclick isn't sufficient on a non-interactive element.
17:12:25 [MichaelC_]
ack me
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ack Michael
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zakim, unmute Michael
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Michael_Cooper should no longer be muted
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Topic: Examples repo
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MK: We want to get a repo for custom examples.
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MC: Suggest we create a folder within the current APG repo for examples.
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MC: Well get GT-pages setup.
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MK: "Examples" would be a good name for that folder.
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+1
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MK: Need to discuss in editors meeting?
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MC: No, not for this I don't think.
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ACTION: Léonie to create examples directory in practices Github repo, and add link example.
17:21:48 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1521 - Create examples directory in practices github repo, and add link example. [on Léonie Watson - due 2014-10-31].
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LW: Suggest we files separate bugs for separate issues.
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MK: Even if they relate to same pattern?
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MC: Would suggest separate bugs, yes.
17:28:06 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/
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MC: Suggest we use the wiki for work planning, Bugzilla for specific bugs and/or Github for bugs against examples.
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MK: Filing bugs.
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BG: DOes link pattern mention hasPopup?
17:53:38 [LJWatson]
MK: No, doesn't need to. Perhaps should be a note to that effect?
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BG: What about when overriding default context menu?
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MK: A hover menu?
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MK: Even with Shift f10 that fails WCAG.
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-Jon_Gunderson
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-Léonie_Watson
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-Michael_Cooper.a
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-Bryan_Garaventa
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-Matt_King
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WAI_PF()12:30PM has ended
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Attendees were Matt_King, Jon_Gunderson, Michael_Cooper, Léonie_Watson, Bryan_Garaventa