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15:59:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:59:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
15:59:37 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:37 <trackbot> Date: 25 September 2014
15:59:46 <paulc> Sam:  I am on a very weak hotel wireless signal that makes listening and thus scribing very hard.
15:59:59 <paulc> Sam: I am hoping plh can scribe as he offered.
16:00:02 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
16:00:05 <Zakim> +Plh
16:00:09 <plh> scribe: plh
16:00:10 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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16:00:18 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
16:00:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
16:00:18 <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft has me
16:00:21 <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
16:00:27 <Zakim> +Sam
16:00:34 <Zakim> +??P13
16:00:39 <janina> zakim, ??P13 is me
16:00:39 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:00:47 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:00:57 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
16:00:57 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:01:20 <plh> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JulSep/0027.html
16:02:17 <plh> agenda+ ACTION items
16:02:17 <plh> agenda+ Items Closing This Week
16:02:17 <plh> agenda+ Task Force Reports
16:02:17 <plh> agenda+ Other Business
16:02:17 <plh> agenda+ Next meeting
16:02:21 <Zakim> +ShaneM
16:03:08 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:03:09 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ACTION items" taken up [from plh]
16:03:15 <plh> Sam: none
16:03:28 <plh> zakim, close agendum 1
16:03:28 <Zakim> agendum 1, ACTION items, closed
16:03:29 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:03:29 <Zakim> 2. Items Closing This Week [from plh]
16:03:34 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:03:34 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Items Closing This Week" taken up [from plh]
16:03:41 <plh> Sam: None
16:03:43 <plh> zakim, close agendum 2
16:03:43 <Zakim> agendum 2, Items Closing This Week, closed
16:03:44 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:03:44 <Zakim> 3. Task Force Reports [from plh]
16:03:45 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:03:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Task Force Reports" taken up [from plh]
16:03:55 <plh> Sam: a11y tf?
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16:04:12 <plh> Janina: waiting on a decision from the Director on longdesc
16:04:22 <plh> ... discussion on the alt document
16:04:43 <plh> ... if the decision goes our way, we would rather publish a hearbeat but not a final one
16:04:50 <plh> ... to do more editing on it
16:05:01 <plh> ... so changes in the expected status
16:05:28 <plh> ... we'll need the approval from PF on the heartbeat
16:05:47 <tantek_>  supports publishing heartbeat.
16:05:58 <plh> Janina: also some discussion around footnotes in HTML.next
16:06:15 <plh> ... to make it a more robust experience for users
16:06:27 <plh> ... looking at the use cases out of the digital publishing
16:06:32 <plh> ... and bank requirements
16:06:53 <plh> ... so potential item for the f2f
16:07:04 <plh> ... with the dig pub folks
16:07:07 <plh> q+
16:07:14 <plh> ... to look at the concerns and use cases
16:07:25 <plh> ack plh
16:07:59 <plh> plh: CSS is also interested in the topic
16:08:07 <plh> ... make sure David Cramer at the minimum is in the room
16:08:39 <plh> Janina: ok
16:08:43 <plh> Sam: media tf?
16:09:04 <plh> Paul: continues to work on EME and MSE CR
16:09:11 <plh> ... not a lot of progress to report
16:09:16 <plh> ... around 20 EME bugs
16:09:19 <plh> ... small progress
16:09:45 <plh> Plh: progress on the test suite on MSE?
16:10:09 <plh> Paul: no recent progress. expect to have an update in October
16:10:20 <plh> ... getting people attention in my company is difficult
16:11:08 <plh> Plh: it's a general problem
16:11:24 <plh> Paul: agreed. transition from spec writers to testers isn't happening as much
16:12:09 <plh> Sam: some OS projects won't accept patches without tests
16:12:20 <plh> Paul: could be considered hostile to push for that
16:12:41 <Zakim> +??P2
16:12:48 <tantek> Zakim, ??P2 is tantek
16:12:48 <Zakim> +tantek; got it
16:12:55 <tantek> Zakim, mute me
16:12:55 <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
16:13:01 <plh> Paul: I'm in the process the media task force their plans for the f2f meeting
16:13:25 <plh> ... some opportunities for joint meeting between svg, pf, css, html
16:13:38 <plh> ... so need for more progress for the logitics
16:13:59 <tantek> regrets for TPAC HTMLWG f2f - will be in AB/AC meeting. Will try to monitor on IRC.
16:14:10 <plh> Sam: canvas tf?
16:14:15 <plh> ... next meeting is tomorrow
16:14:40 <plh> Paul: Mark reported that Rich has a wiki for test cases
16:14:46 <plh> ... is that new?
16:15:04 <plh> Sam: was done 3 weeks ago. will send a link.
16:15:04 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:15:04 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Other Business" taken up [from plh]
16:15:10 <plh> Sam: DOM4?
16:15:28 <tantek> re: other business - I can add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Sep/0061.html
16:15:37 <tantek> or rather, *may* I add
16:15:37 <plh> PLh: Robin is looked at https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1227
16:15:42 <plh> ... not done yet
16:16:01 <plh> ... reviweed treewalker tests: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1235
16:16:27 <rubys> tantek, sure.  after 4c
16:16:43 <plh> ... spec got modified following one of my comment
16:16:47 <plh> ... not substantive
16:17:23 <plh> ... hope to be done by end of this week
16:17:44 <plh> Sam: longdesc cr. already covered
16:17:59 <plh> Sam: HTML WG f2f and TPAC
16:18:02 <plh> ... see agenda in the wiki
16:18:06 <plh> ... more work is needed
16:18:29 <plh> Sam: anything else?
16:18:38 <tantek> zakim, unmute me
16:18:38 <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
16:19:02 <plh> Tantek: link to dated snapshot of WHATWG URL http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Sep/0061.html
16:19:10 <plh> ... believe it would satisfy the requirements
16:19:25 <plh> ... without having to do a copy in webapps
16:19:32 <plh> ... think it's a reasonnable compromise
16:19:38 <plh> ... interested in making it happened
16:19:52 <plh> ... that's my proposal
16:20:14 <plh> Sam: comments on the title used
16:20:22 <plh> Tantek: didn't catch the source
16:20:33 <paulc> q+
16:20:33 <plh> ... will look into it to use a short title
16:20:41 <plh> ack paulc
16:21:02 <tantek> plh: source: https://whatwg.org/specs/url/2014-07-30/
16:21:15 <plh> Paul: looking for guidance: the Director looked at this and didn't pick that choice
16:21:27 <plh> ... the doc is in the AC now
16:21:41 <plh> ... not sure the html wg has control
16:21:55 <plh> Tantek: wanted to get input from the html wg
16:22:23 <plh> Paul: agreed...
16:22:41 <plh> Sam: at the moment, the response is mixed
16:22:49 <plh> ... but keep trying to resolve it
16:23:07 <plh> ... I don't think we'll get consensus at the group level
16:23:14 <plh> ... seems like a w3c level issue
16:23:44 <paulc> q+
16:23:59 <plh> Tantek: the announcement of the PR was mentioning the change, thus my email
16:24:01 <plh> ack paul
16:24:25 <plh> Paul: yes, but the responsibility for producing a spec for URL is in webapps
16:24:36 <plh> ... in the PR, getting that doc updated is in the hand
16:25:01 <plh> ... the AC decided on the advice of the team to put that in webapps
16:25:08 <plh> Tantek: sure, but I'm commenting on the reference
16:25:24 <plh> Paul: ok, but the CR didn't have it the reference
16:25:31 <plh> ... the PR points to /TR/url/
16:25:41 <plh> ... it says "we're expecting that ref to be updated"
16:25:55 <plh> ... so webapps would update that
16:26:04 <plh> Tantek: yes, but I'm asking a different link
16:26:41 <plh> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/url/less-than-2.html
16:26:47 <paulc> plh: One of the items that I did was to run the URL test suite
16:26:55 <plh> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/url/all.html
16:27:00 <paulc> ... Safari results are generated but not yet in these results
16:27:19 <paulc> ... I have to say that the results of the test suite is pretty disappointing
16:28:05 <paulc> ... Whatever we reference is sub-optimal from a technical position.  The problem is more poltical.
16:28:56 <plh> Sam: if Tantek query would have come up with consensus, that would be useful input to w3c
16:29:01 <plh> ... and the discussion isn't over
16:29:44 <plh> ... so don't stop having the discussion with other groups as well (AC, webapps)
16:29:50 <plh> Paul: and the TAG
16:30:55 <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2014/06/webapps-charter.html "The WebApps WG will ask the Technical Architecture Group to
16:30:55 <rubys>             review some set of its specifications and will help, through a
16:30:55 <rubys> 	    joint task force, the development of the URL specification
16:30:55 <rubys> 	    and the Packaging on the Web specification."
16:32:43 <tantek> Zakim, mute me
16:32:43 <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
16:32:46 <plh> Plh: is the thread on after 5 going anywhere?
16:32:51 <plh> Sam: not clear yet
16:35:34 <plh> Plh: part of the problem on after 5 is where to we want to be a year from now between html 5.0, and future
16:35:47 <plh> ... we're about to publish a rec that won't be changed
16:36:01 <plh> ... so I asked Robin to try to be get it right
16:36:06 <plh> ... including for search engines
16:37:13 <plh> Paul: are you following some principles?
16:37:20 <Eliot> Need to drop off. Apologies.
16:37:25 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:37:27 <plh> PlH; no, just trying not to miss an opportunity
16:37:50 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about shortnames
16:38:44 <plh> Plh: from the point of view of search engines, what should I get if I type html or html5?
16:38:50 <plh> Sam: depends on the audience
16:39:11 <plh> ack shane
16:39:11 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about shortnames
16:39:46 <rubys> more background on the audience comment: some want the latest/experimental version; others want a stable/proven version
16:41:01 <plh> shane: it's not a new pb. shouldn't we have a general solution?
16:41:19 <plh> plh: we'd like one but don't have one yet
16:43:17 <plh> paul: is there enough additional aspect today that were touched on in the thread?
16:43:34 <plh> ... maybe this should be a separate thread
16:43:53 <plh> plh: will look into creating a separate one potentially
16:44:21 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
16:44:21 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Next meeting" taken up [from plh]
16:44:32 <plh> Sam: scribe?
16:44:39 <plh> ... Paul will chair
16:44:44 <plh> Shane: I'll scribe
16:44:54 <plh> [adjourned]
16:44:58 <Zakim> -Plh
16:44:59 <tantek> zakim, unmute me
16:44:59 <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
16:45:01 <Zakim> -Sam
16:45:01 <Zakim> -janina
16:45:03 <Zakim> -ShaneM
16:45:07 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
16:45:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
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16:45:43 <Zakim> -paulc
16:45:44 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:45:44 <Zakim> Attendees were Plh, Eliot, Sam, janina, [Microsoft], paulc, ShaneM, tantek
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