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16:55:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
16:55:31 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
16:55:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
16:55:32 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014
16:55:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
16:55:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> Meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
16:55:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
16:55:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
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16:59:50 <joanie> Zakim, I am Joanmarie_Diggs
16:59:50 <Zakim> ok, joanie, I now associate you with Joanmarie_Diggs
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17:00:52 <Zakim> + +49.322.110.8.aaaa
17:01:05 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Sep/0031.html
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17:01:42 <MichaelC> zakim, call janina-mobile
17:01:42 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
17:01:44 <Zakim> +Janina
17:02:04 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Stefan_Schnabel
17:02:04 <Zakim> +Stefan_Schnabel; got it
17:02:06 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:02:19 <clown> Zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:19 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:02:26 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:26 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:03:28 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/wcag/coga/gap-analysis.html
17:03:45 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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17:07:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribeNick: Susann
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17:07:28 <Zakim> +Matt_King
17:07:53 <clown> issue-633?
17:07:53 <trackbot> issue-633 -- listbox and tree may contain only static items; badly need interactive widgets that can contain interactive typed items -- raised
17:07:53 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633
17:08:04 <Susann_Keohane> topic: 633
17:08:17 <Susann_Keohane> TOPIC: 633
17:09:47 <Susann_Keohane> Matt: create a role like list_view to basically create a list of any interactive elements from articles, search results, list of checkboxes, links
17:09:57 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa
17:10:02 <Susann_Keohane> Matt: anything to interactive with and navigate
17:10:41 <Zakim> +[Apple]
17:10:43 <Susann_Keohane> Rich: not select but navigate (arrow key navigation)
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17:11:22 <jcraig> Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:11:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joanmarie_Diggs, Stefan_Schnabel, Janina, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cynthia_Shelly, Suzann_Keohane, James_Nurthen, Matt_King, Bryan_Garaventa,
17:11:25 <Zakim> ... [Apple]
17:11:33 <jcraig> Zakim, Apple is jcraig
17:11:33 <Zakim> +jcraig; got it
17:11:34 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
17:11:35 <Zakim> ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
17:12:13 <jcraig> topic?
17:12:18 <jcraig> agenda?
17:12:30 <Zakim> +??P14
17:12:36 <Stefan> +q
17:12:40 <Susann_Keohane> MAtt: current listbox is limited to static element
17:14:53 <MichaelC> s/scribeNick: Susann/scribeNick: Susann_Keohane/
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17:16:09 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:16:18 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:16:18 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:16:26 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:16:26 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:17:54 <Susann_Keohane> Rich: what if there was a subclass something like group, a list navigable group
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17:18:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: Matt Create proposal for a role and strategy to address Issue 633
17:18:39 <trackbot> Error finding 'Matt'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
17:19:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: mattking Create proposal for a role and strategy to address Issue 633
17:19:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1505 - Create proposal for a role and strategy to address issue 633 [on Matthew King - due 2014-09-15].
17:20:41 <jamesn> q+
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17:21:56 <Stefan> q-
17:22:01 <Stefan> -q
17:23:10 <Susann_Keohane> jamesn: make it generic enough to support all type sof widgets
17:25:08 <Susann_Keohane> cynthia: may want to look at UIA patterns
17:26:42 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, next item agenda?
17:26:42 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Susann_Keohane.
17:27:45 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_additional_nd
17:28:48 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, agenda+
17:29:21 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, next item
17:29:21 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
17:29:36 <Zakim> +??P5
17:29:51 <Susann_Keohane> TOPIC: Splitting out Name and Description into separate document (To cover SVG2 and HTML5)
17:29:52 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:29:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joanmarie_Diggs, Stefan_Schnabel, Janina, Cynthia_Shelly, Suzann_Keohane, James_Nurthen, Matt_King, Bryan_Garaventa, jcraig, Michael_Cooper
17:29:55 <Zakim> ... (muted), Joseph_Scheuhammer, ??P5
17:30:07 <janina> zakim, ??P5 has janina
17:30:07 <Zakim> +janina; got it
17:30:16 <janina> zakim, drop janina-mobile
17:30:16 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not see a party named 'janina-mobile'
17:30:26 <Zakim> -Janina
17:30:54 <Susann_Keohane> rich: svg and html are becoming more aligned
17:32:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:32:57 <clown> q+
17:34:01 <Susann_Keohane> jamesn: agrees it should be broken out but should point to a list of the host language
17:37:29 <Susann_Keohane> rich: appears to be consensus for this topic
17:38:39 <Susann_Keohane> RESOLUTION: break out the name and description into a separate spec and Joseph to be editor
17:39:11 <Susann_Keohane> jamesn- so sorry, I'm not sure how to fix it
17:40:32 <MichaelC> ack me
17:40:32 <MichaelC> ack me
17:40:32 <MichaelC> ack me
17:40:41 <jamesn> q-
17:41:07 <Susann_Keohane> jamesn - I do not.
17:41:15 <MichaelC> ack me
17:41:17 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute me
17:41:17 <Zakim> Michael_Cooper was not muted, MichaelC
17:41:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> Q?
17:41:40 <clown> Accessible Name and Description Computation.
17:42:12 <clown> Accessible Name and Description Mapping Computation
17:43:01 <clown> Name and Description Accessibility Mapping ?
17:48:19 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: pick a placeholder name for the short term
17:48:42 <Susann_Keohane> michaelC: when we approach publication pick a proper name
17:49:04 <Susann_Keohane> rich: we want to make sure there are no charter issues before publications
17:49:25 <Susann_Keohane> rich: for ARIA 1.1 are we only testing for HTML?
17:49:57 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: how we cross ref the normative ref could impact what we have to test
17:50:25 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: separation allows for sequestering testing
17:51:20 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
17:54:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: Joseph create editors draft of name/description computation document in github
17:54:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1506 - Create editors draft of name/description computation document in github [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2014-09-15].
17:55:14 <Susann_Keohane> TOPIC: open action and issues
17:55:27 <clown> action-1073?
17:55:27 <trackbot> action-1073 -- Matthew King to Update aria-selected to reflect that it communicates selectability and clarify responsibility for ensuring aria-selected=false is on selectable elements -- due 2012-06-11 -- OPEN
17:55:27 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1073
17:57:50 <clown> action-1346?
17:57:50 <trackbot> action-1346 -- Matthew King to Propose edit to dialog role to clarify issue that leads to bad implementation -- due 2014-01-31 -- OPEN
17:57:50 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1346
17:58:51 <clown> action-1151?
17:58:51 <trackbot> action-1151 -- Michael Cooper to Create a flowchart or process diagram of the ARIA accessible name computation -- due 2014-09-08 -- OPEN
17:58:51 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1151
18:01:44 <clown> action-1322?
18:01:44 <trackbot> action-1322 -- Jon Gunderson to Make some examples for aria-hidden="false" (including a hidden live region) -- due 2013-12-23 -- OPEN
18:01:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1322
18:03:44 <clown> action-1335?
18:03:44 <trackbot> action-1335 -- James Craig to Propose edit for issue-493 to explicitly disallow strings matching "" or "undefined" in this sentence: content authors must provide values for required states and properties. -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN
18:03:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1335
18:04:57 <clown> action-1338?
18:04:57 <trackbot> action-1338 -- Michael Cooper to Patch issue-504: Remove aria-checked from radio role in spec and taxonomy -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN
18:04:57 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1338
18:06:09 <MichaelC> action-1352 due 20 Oct
18:06:09 <trackbot> Set action-1352 Patch issue-576: add aria-posinset, and aria-setsize to tab role due date to 2014-10-20.
18:06:27 <clown> action-1341?
18:06:27 <trackbot> action-1341 -- James Craig to Patch issue-514: treegrid and grid propagation requirement should be normative. -- due 2014-01-30 -- PENDINGREVIEW
18:06:27 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1341
18:06:30 <MichaelC> action-1429 due 20 Oct
18:06:30 <trackbot> Set action-1429 Add aria-orientation to additional aria roles in taxonomy graph (ISSUE-579) due date to 2014-10-20.
18:06:44 <jcraig> action-1341
18:06:44 <trackbot> action-1341 -- James Craig to Patch issue-514: treegrid and grid propagation requirement should be normative. -- due 2014-01-30 -- PENDINGREVIEW
18:06:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1341
18:07:25 <clown> action-1504?
18:07:25 <trackbot> action-1504 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Core-AAM mappings of aria-readonly="true" when propagated to gridcell. -- due 2014-09-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW
18:07:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1504
18:08:35 <clown> 
18:08:35 <clown> AXValue (not writable)
18:09:24 <jcraig> issue-514
18:09:24 <trackbot> issue-514 -- #treegrid has normative-like statement with no normative requirements: "The value of the treegrid element's aria-readonly attribute is implicitly propagated to all of its owned gridcell elements, and will be exposed through the accessibility API." -- open
18:09:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/514
18:09:55 <jcraig> close action-1341
18:09:55 <trackbot> Closed action-1341.
18:10:08 <Susann_Keohane> RESOLUTION: action 1431 is completed and closed
18:10:32 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaReadonlyTrue
18:12:55 <clown> Set Value.IsReadOnly="true"
18:14:22 <clown> Note, the above is for UIA.
18:18:26 <Susann_Keohane> RESOLUTION: close issue 514
18:19:27 <jcraig> close issue-514
18:19:27 <trackbot> Closed issue-514.
18:19:53 <clown> action-1342?
18:19:53 <trackbot> action-1342 -- James Craig to Patch issue-523: searchbox/searchfield role which is a subrole of textbox/textfield -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN
18:19:53 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1342
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18:21:10 <clown> action-1345?
18:21:10 <trackbot> action-1345 -- James Craig to Propose an edit issue-545 resolving live region changes to dom vs a11y tree -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN
18:21:10 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1345
18:21:37 <jcraig> action-1345
18:21:37 <trackbot> action-1345 -- James Craig to Propose an edit issue-545 resolving live region changes to dom vs a11y tree -- due 2014-01-30 -- OPEN
18:21:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1345
18:22:17 <clown> action-1347?
18:22:17 <trackbot> action-1347 -- James Craig to Add an attribute for differentiating modal vs non-modal dialogs/menus/etc. (possibly aria-modal) -- due 2014-01-31 -- OPEN
18:22:17 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1347
18:23:34 <clown> action-1349
18:23:34 <trackbot> action-1349 -- James Craig to Patch issue-561: we need @aria-placeholder as backup for @placeholder in custom fields. -- due 2014-01-31 -- OPEN
18:23:34 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1349
18:24:44 <clown> aciton-1352
18:24:50 <clown> action-1352
18:24:50 <trackbot> action-1352 -- Michael Cooper to Patch issue-576: add aria-posinset, and aria-setsize to tab role -- due 2014-10-20 -- OPEN
18:24:50 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1352
18:24:50 <MichaelC> ack me
18:25:22 <clown> action-1355
18:25:22 <trackbot> action-1355 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Propose specific edit for issue-588: clarify rowheader and columnheader selection -- due 2014-01-31 -- OPEN
18:25:22 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1355
18:26:23 <Zakim> -jcraig
18:27:05 <Zakim> -Bryan_Garaventa
18:27:06 <Zakim> -Matt_King
18:27:06 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
18:27:09 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:27:12 <Zakim> -Stefan_Schnabel
18:27:13 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, make logs public
18:27:24 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, bye
18:27:24 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-aria-actions.rdf :
18:27:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Matt Create proposal for a role and strategy to address Issue 633 [1]
18:27:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-aria-irc#T17-18-39
18:27:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mattking Create proposal for a role and strategy to address Issue 633 [2]
18:27:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-aria-irc#T17-19-02
18:27:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Joseph create editors draft of name/description computation document in github [3]
18:27:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-aria-irc#T17-54-33
18:27:35 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
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18:33:03 <Susann_Keohane> rssagent, draft minutes
18:33:30 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, draft minute
18:33:30 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', Susann_Keohane.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:33:57 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:33:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-aria-minutes.html Susann_Keohane
18:45:07 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, make log public
18:45:21 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:45:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-aria-minutes.html Susann_Keohane
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