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15:57:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
15:57:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
15:57:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
15:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 28 August 2014
15:57:59 <olivier> Agenda?
15:58:49 <olivier> Agenda+ communication/education on AudioWorker and changes to SPN
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16:01:37 <olivier> Regrets: gmandyam
16:02:31 <Zakim> + +44.303.040.aabb
16:02:39 <olivier> zakim, aabb is me
16:02:39 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
16:02:46 <olivier> zakim, aaaa is joe
16:02:46 <Zakim> +joe; got it
16:03:28 <Zakim> +??P11
16:03:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:39 <cwilso> zakim, ??P11 is me
16:03:39 <Zakim> +cwilso; got it
16:03:40 <kawai> zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
16:03:40 <Zakim> sorry, kawai, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
16:03:51 <kawai> zakim, +IPcaller is me
16:03:51 <Zakim> sorry, kawai, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
16:03:57 <cwilso> zakim, cwilso has rtoyg
16:03:58 <Zakim> +rtoyg; got it
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16:04:07 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is kawai
16:04:07 <Zakim> +kawai; got it
16:04:42 <Zakim> +jernoble
16:05:56 <olivier> Agenda+ heartbeat pub
16:06:01 <olivier> agenda?
16:07:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:07:31 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is padenot
16:07:31 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
16:07:37 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:07:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review of Action Items" taken up [from olivier]
16:07:54 <olivier> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/agenda
16:08:26 <olivier> action-107 closed
16:08:26 <trackbot> Closed action-107.
16:08:40 <olivier> action-108 closed
16:08:40 <trackbot> Closed action-108.
16:09:04 <olivier> action-104
16:09:04 <trackbot> action-104 -- Paul Adenot to Extract formulas from cookbook -- due 2014-08-21 -- OPEN
16:09:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/104
16:09:06 <olivier> action-105
16:09:06 <trackbot> action-105 -- Doug Schepers to Mark up formulas for biquadfilter in mathml (get help from mathjax?) -- due 2014-08-21 -- OPEN
16:09:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/105
16:09:52 <olivier> padenot: reviewing code in gecko and webkit, they seem different
16:10:01 <olivier> ... different math, but result is the same
16:10:06 <olivier> ... should be fine
16:10:42 <olivier> (reviewed during last call- http://www.w3.org/2014/08/07-audio-minutes.html#item01)
16:11:36 <olivier> padenot: will implement
16:11:44 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:11:44 <Zakim> agendum 2. "progress on AudioWorker/ScriptProcessorNode" taken up [from olivier]
16:12:32 <olivier> CfC issued = http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014JulSep/0061.html
16:13:20 <olivier> olivier: have not seen objection to the breaking changes
16:13:29 <padenot> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014JulSep/0063.html ?
16:13:32 <olivier> cwilso: not sure if ROC's comment was an objection
16:13:51 <Zakim> -padenot
16:13:53 <padenot> ahh
16:14:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:14:31 <padenot> Zakim, IPcaller is me
16:14:31 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
16:15:03 <olivier> cwilso: empathetic to the fact it would be a breaking change
16:15:27 <joe> q+
16:15:31 <olivier> ... will be tough but given IE is implementing at the moment, we should take the heat
16:15:33 <padenot> q+
16:15:44 <olivier> ... harder to change if another browser implements it
16:15:46 <olivier> ack joe
16:16:03 <cwilso> q+ to respond to Joe
16:16:09 <olivier> joe: possible to make it clear that it is not part of the spec but keep it in implementations
16:17:05 <olivier> cwilso: problem is we can't have things that are not in the spec but necessary for code that is in web at large
16:17:24 <olivier> ... cwilso explains impact on interop
16:17:31 <olivier> +1
16:17:36 <olivier> ack padenot
16:17:39 <cwilso> q-
16:17:41 <olivier> q- cwilso
16:18:01 <cwilso> q+
16:18:04 <olivier> padenot: possible to offer a monkey patch for people to transition
16:18:07 <olivier> ack c
16:18:18 <olivier> cwilso: was thinking through this this AM
16:18:24 <olivier> ... should be possible
16:18:32 <olivier> ... not going to be a trivial monkeypatch
16:19:04 <olivier> ... challenge is to do the post messaging back and forth; hope for the best
16:19:11 <cwilso> q-
16:19:19 <olivier> ... padenot: it's already broken, so...
16:19:37 <olivier> ... might take a browser engineer to write the polyfill, give it to all
16:19:53 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 6
16:19:53 <Zakim> agendum 6. "communication/education on AudioWorker and changes to SPN" taken up [from olivier]
16:20:07 <olivier> cwilso: will write blog post
16:20:21 <olivier> padenot: should start logging into browser console
16:20:36 <olivier> ... with link to blog post
16:21:52 <olivier> olivier: wondering about scheduling of publication, blog post etc
16:22:21 <olivier> cwilso: we need to have the ability to polyfill old version on top of the new
16:23:15 <olivier> cwilso: think we should publish draft and polyfill ASAP
16:23:24 <olivier> ... and wait before removing the old one
16:23:46 <olivier> olivier: can it be marked as deprecated for now
16:23:51 <olivier> cwilso: sure
16:24:51 <olivier> olivier: wondering if we could get help from W3C comms... maybe w3c homepage item
16:25:13 <olivier> action: olivier to reach out to W3C comms, ask for help re deprecation of spn
16:25:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Reach out to w3c comms, ask for help re deprecation of spn [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2014-09-04].
16:25:27 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 7
16:25:27 <Zakim> agendum 7. "heartbeat pub" taken up [from olivier]
16:25:55 <olivier> olivier: we haven't published anything on /TR for a while
16:26:28 <olivier> [discussing changelog]
16:27:35 <olivier> olivier: don't think we have published since the data races fix
16:28:36 <olivier> olivier: sounds like we should publish soon
16:28:57 <olivier> cwilso: would prefer to get AudioWorker stuff in before
16:29:37 <cwilso> zakim, agenda?
16:29:37 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
16:29:38 <Zakim> 1. Review of Action Items [from olivier]
16:29:38 <Zakim> 2. progress on AudioWorker/ScriptProcessorNode [from olivier]
16:29:38 <Zakim> 3. suspend()/resume()/release() on AudioContext [from olivier]
16:29:38 <Zakim> 4. Buffer latency hint [from olivier]
16:29:38 <Zakim> 5. AOB/Next meeting [from olivier]
16:29:38 <Zakim> 6. communication/education on AudioWorker and changes to SPN [from olivier]
16:29:39 <Zakim> 7. heartbeat pub [from olivier]
16:29:49 <olivier> RESOLUTION: publish webaudioapi to /TR after Audioworker changes included
16:30:11 <olivier> olivier: what about web midi
16:31:12 <olivier> [noticing link to editor's draft in webmidi is broken]
16:31:58 <olivier> olivier: what about (first) last call for webmidi?
16:32:12 <olivier> cwilso: still have open issues, would prefer to go through them and see what needs to be fixed
16:32:21 <olivier> ... may not stand in the way of a last call
16:33:11 <olivier> olivier: suggest we review state of webmidi after we publish webaudioapi to TR, with AudioWorker stuff included
16:33:55 <olivier> RESOLUTION: review webmidi issues after publication of webaudio, decide on Last call then
16:35:19 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:35:19 <Zakim> agendum 3. "suspend()/resume()/release() on AudioContext" taken up [from olivier]
16:35:56 <olivier> http://cwilso.github.io/web-audio-api/pr_ignore.html#widl-AudioContext-release-Promise
16:36:02 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/317
16:37:05 <olivier> olivier: wondering about release...
16:37:13 <olivier> ... is that unusual?
16:37:40 <olivier> padenot: whatwg spec mention explicitely the UA should release when the src attribute is removed
16:38:24 <olivier> cwilso: no control over when GC is happening
16:38:59 <olivier> ... problematic for something like audiocontext which takes limited resources
16:39:23 <olivier> padenot: we have similar issue with FFOS
16:40:22 <olivier> ACTION: cwilso to ping TAG about novel(?) method to impact GC
16:40:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Ping tag about novel(?) method to impact gc [on Chris Wilson - due 2014-09-04].
16:40:37 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/348
16:41:25 <olivier> [looking at comment thread]
16:41:33 <olivier> jer?
16:42:45 <cwilso> q+
16:42:49 <olivier> jer: still unsure, need more thinking
16:43:01 <olivier> ... would prefer wrapping into something a little higher level
16:43:09 <olivier> ... we have this concept in iOS
16:43:34 <olivier> ack c
16:43:49 <olivier> cwilso: agree there may be other features we may want to wrap together
16:43:58 <olivier> ... this is beneath that - about implementation
16:44:30 <olivier> ... driven by request from google play
16:45:35 <olivier> ... don't want to rip control of that from the UA
16:46:09 <olivier> jer: does this have client-side visible effect?
16:46:21 <olivier> cwilso: only discernable impact is in pattern of power consumption
16:46:40 <olivier> ... and difference in timing if you have a # of SPN
16:47:05 <olivier> jer: what if we have latency reporting
16:47:11 <olivier> cwilso: yes, we would see it
16:47:58 <olivier> jer: then would have to be careful, if there may be visible effect
16:48:11 <olivier> cwilso: we have this today already
16:48:35 <olivier> ... we get different latency numbers
16:50:05 <olivier> jer: fine with giving control to script, but will be difficult to get api right
16:50:32 <olivier> cwilso: happy to discuss different APIs
16:51:30 <olivier> Topic: AudioWorker discussion
16:52:05 <olivier> cwilso: three things I wanted to bring up
16:52:18 <olivier> ... 1. request to change audiobuffer to float32
16:52:25 <olivier> ... ok with that
16:52:41 <olivier> ... but we should separate event/have different name
16:52:56 <olivier> cwilso: any objection?
16:53:45 <cwilso> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/F9BgLmgV
16:53:46 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014JulSep/0139.html ?
16:55:33 <olivier> joe: if we change event name, would probably make it OK
16:55:41 <olivier> ... someone else made the same point
16:55:52 <cwilso> s/someone else/cwilso
16:56:12 <olivier> olivier: sounds like consensus
16:56:59 <olivier> cwilso: plan to make change to float32arrays, change name, mark old one as deprecated
16:57:34 <olivier> s/1.//
16:58:05 <olivier> olivier: make it so
16:58:14 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 5
16:58:14 <Zakim> agendum 5. "AOB/Next meeting" taken up [from olivier]
16:58:28 <joe> must leave now; fractional regrets
16:58:33 <Zakim> -joe
16:58:55 <olivier> jer: wanted to know status of web audio test suite
16:59:55 <olivier> olivier: no recent progress but we need to pick up, want to deal with arch changes soon, then focus time at and after TPAC on testing
17:01:43 <olivier> tentative date for next meeting: 11th Sept
17:02:27 <olivier> ADJOURNED
17:02:28 <Zakim> -cwilso
17:02:29 <Zakim> -jernoble
17:02:32 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:02:33 <Zakim> -kawai
17:02:47 <Zakim> -olivier
17:02:48 <Zakim> -padenot
17:02:48 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has ended
17:02:48 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.455.aaaa, +44.303.040.aabb, olivier, joe, rtoyg, kawai, jernoble, padenot
17:03:01 <olivier> Chair: olivier
17:03:15 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:03:37 <olivier> padenot: tentative regrets for the 11th
17:03:46 <olivier> olivier: fine, make sure to have moz rep if possible
17:03:49 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:04:17 <olivier> zakim, bye
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17:04:22 <olivier> rrsagent, bye
17:04:22 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-audio-actions.rdf :
17:04:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: olivier to reach out to W3C comms, ask for help re deprecation of spn [1]
17:04:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-audio-irc#T16-25-13
17:04:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cwilso to ping TAG about novel(?) method to impact GC [2]
17:04:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-audio-irc#T16-40-22