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19:06:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
19:06:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be CRYPT
19:06:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SEC_WebCryp()3:00PM scheduled to start 6 minutes ago
19:06:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Cryptography Working Group Teleconference
19:06:14 <trackbot> Date: 18 August 2014
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19:54:55 <wseltzer> zakim, this will be CRYPTO
19:54:55 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wseltzer
19:55:08 <wseltzer> zakim, space for 20 at 1600?
19:55:10 <Zakim> sorry, wseltzer; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again
19:55:14 <wseltzer> zakim, space for 20 at 1600?
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19:55:17 <Zakim> sorry, wseltzer; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again
19:55:24 <wseltzer> zakim, space for 20 at 1601?
19:55:26 <Zakim> sorry, wseltzer; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again
19:55:37 <wseltzer> zakim, extend crypto
19:55:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'extend crypto', wseltzer
19:56:45 <wseltzer> zakim, code?
19:56:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 27978 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), wseltzer
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19:56:57 <wseltzer> zakim, this will be 27978
19:56:57 <Zakim> ok, wseltzer; I see SEC_WebCryp()3:00PM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago
19:57:05 <wseltzer> zakim, this will be CRYPT
19:57:05 <Zakim> ok, wseltzer; I see SEC_WebCryp()3:00PM scheduled to start 57 minutes ago
19:57:15 <wseltzer> zakim, this will be CRYPT at 1600
19:57:15 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wseltzer
19:57:37 <harry> wseltzer, just checking in
19:57:43 <harry> should be fine, the dial-in will still work
19:57:47 <Zakim> SEC_WebCryp()3:00PM has now started
19:57:53 <harry> trackbot, start meeting
19:57:54 <Zakim> +JYates
19:57:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
19:57:55 <Zakim> + +1.510.508.aaaa
19:57:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be CRYPT
19:57:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SEC_WebCryp()3:00PM scheduled to start 57 minutes ago
19:57:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Cryptography Working Group Teleconference
19:57:58 <trackbot> Date: 18 August 2014
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19:59:39 <harry> Zakim, who's on the phone?
19:59:39 <Zakim> I notice SEC_WebCryp()3:00PM has restarted
19:59:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.510.508.aaaa, JYates
20:00:28 <Zakim> +??P2
20:00:31 <Zakim> +Wendy
20:00:46 <wseltzer> zakim, ??p2 is Virginie
20:00:46 <Zakim> +Virginie; got it
20:00:47 <Zakim> +karen_oDonoghue
20:00:56 <wseltzer> zakim, aaaa is Trevor_Perrin
20:00:56 <Zakim> +Trevor_Perrin; got it
20:01:01 <wseltzer> zakim, who is here?
20:01:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Trevor_Perrin, JYates, Virginie, Wendy, karen_oDonoghue
20:01:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see Virginie, harry, Jyates, RRSAgent, Zakim, tobie, terri, timeless, slightlyoff, wseltzer, trackbot
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20:01:21 <harry> Zakim, what's the code?
20:01:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 27978 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), harry
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20:03:08 <Zakim> +??P5
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20:03:29 <rbarnes> zakim, who is here?
20:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Trevor_Perrin, JYates, Virginie, Wendy, karen_oDonoghue, ??P5
20:03:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see rbarnes, selfissued, kodonog, Virginie, harry, Jyates, RRSAgent, Zakim, tobie, terri, timeless, slightlyoff, wseltzer, trackbot
20:03:39 <rbarnes> zakim, i am ??P5
20:03:39 <Zakim> +rbarnes; got it
20:04:00 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:05:00 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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20:05:36 <Zakim> +MarkW
20:05:45 <markw> Zakim, MarkW is me
20:05:45 <Zakim> +markw; got it
20:05:55 <wseltzer> zakim, Microsoft has selfissued
20:05:55 <Zakim> +selfissued; got it
20:06:08 <wseltzer> zakim, Microsoft.a has Israel
20:06:08 <Zakim> +Israel; got it
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20:06:53 <wseltzer> scribenick: wseltzer
20:06:58 <wseltzer> Topic: Introductions
20:07:12 <wseltzer> Trevor: I'm a crypto consultant, working with a bunch of different projects
20:07:24 <wseltzer> ... many from end-to-end security for person-to-person communications
20:07:31 <wseltzer> ... many want browser clients
20:07:52 <wseltzer> ... and to modernize. 25519 is what they're looking at.
20:08:25 <wseltzer> Virginie: We're interested in your draft, maintenance, ideas for development
20:08:54 <wseltzer> ... WG is not yet aligned on which curve(s) to add, and how
20:09:41 <wseltzer> ... Agendum for this informal call is Q&A
20:09:54 <wseltzer> ... perhaps you can present your draft
20:10:02 <harry> and thanks for stepping up Trevor and editing the draft!
20:10:19 <rbarnes> has this draft been posted somewhere?
20:10:31 <wseltzer> Trevor: Context: lots of person-to-person projects interested in browser extensions
20:10:40 <wseltzer> ... PGP community, GPG, multi-party OTR
20:10:53 <wseltzer> ... cryptocat, @@
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20:11:01 <rbarnes> s/@@/miniLock/
20:11:09 <wseltzer> ... enscripten, twitNaCL
20:11:47 <wseltzer> ... speed, code correctness are concerns
20:12:05 <wseltzer> ... side channels are a bit of a concern
20:12:24 <wseltzer> ... that's why they;d like direct access, rather than writing in JS
20:12:49 <wseltzer> ... Approach, add another algorithm to WebCrypto
20:12:53 <wseltzer> ... specific to this curve
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20:13:42 <wseltzer> ... differently specified by DJB from ANSI
20:13:53 <wseltzer> ... users want EC-25519
20:14:22 <wseltzer> ... you could imagine ECDH-NIST, ECDH-NUMS, etc.
20:14:37 <wseltzer> ... so that's what I did.
20:14:51 <wseltzer> ... Main difference is key input format.
20:15:16 <wseltzer> s/input/import/
20:16:04 <wseltzer> q?
20:16:27 <wseltzer> selfissued: clarification, JOSE is open to new representation when there are new curves using them
20:16:34 <rbarnes> q+
20:16:41 <wseltzer> ... IETF uses registry, so W3C spec can register a key type and use it
20:17:06 <wseltzer> Trevor: do we need IANA assignment for registry?
20:17:07 <harry> Trevor's drat is here:
20:17:08 <harry> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/trevp/curve25519_webcrypto/blob/master/Curve25519_WebCrypto.html
20:17:13 <rbarnes> harry: thanks
20:17:15 <wseltzer> selfissued: It won't happen until JOSE is finalized
20:17:22 <harry> Trevor: The registry question is a long one that is the source of controversy :)
20:17:34 <harry> ... however, get meeting you at HOPE and thanks for stepping up! I appreciate it.
20:18:05 <harry> s/Trevor://
20:18:46 <wseltzer> ack rbarnes
20:18:52 <wseltzer> rbarnes: Thanks Trevor
20:19:24 <wseltzer> ... because of the way DJB specified 25519, it's more like a new algo than like parameters for an existing algo
20:20:43 <wseltzer> ... lots of webcrypto is about exposing crypto libraries to js
20:20:57 <wseltzer> ... but most libraries don't currently support 25519
20:21:05 <wseltzer> ... which would delay implementation
20:21:43 <wseltzer> Virginie: anything you can share about implementations?
20:21:57 <wseltzer> q?
20:22:34 <wseltzer> rbarnes: heated debate in IETF
20:22:54 <wseltzer> ... do you have the sense that your communities are interested in 25519 specifically, or non-NIST more generically?
20:23:20 <wseltzer> Trevor: 25519 has been around, it's well specified, it's fast, so it has mindshare.
20:23:28 <wseltzer> ... those who have committed likely want to stick with it.
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20:24:21 <wseltzer> rbarnes: Whatever is chosen for TLS will be implemented in browser libraries
20:24:33 <wseltzer> Trevor: so easiest if IETF chooses 25519
20:24:58 <virginie> q?
20:25:40 <wseltzer> Virginie: we're also working on extensibility
20:25:52 <wseltzer> ... What would be needed in main spec to facilitate addition
20:25:58 <wseltzer> ... Did you find problems?
20:26:20 <rbarnes> +1 to using this as a test case for extensibility
20:26:32 <wseltzer> Trevor: Pretty straightforward
20:27:37 <wseltzer> ... does the WG like this strategy?
20:27:55 <rbarnes> is bal on the call/
20:27:56 <rbarnes> ?
20:30:07 <wseltzer> selfissued: When might you have a complete first draft to review?
20:30:18 <wseltzer> Trevor: depends what changes people want
20:31:33 <wseltzer> ... if people like this approach, we could do ED-25519 as well
20:32:09 <wseltzer> rbarnes: if we're going to do this, we'd probably also want ED-25519
20:32:24 <wseltzer> ... but as far as WG process, I'm inclined to hold off for IETF CFRG
20:32:41 <wseltzer> selfissued: as a WG member, I would like to see as complete a write-up how to use with WebCrypto
20:33:02 <wseltzer> ... including key import and export, for which you need JWK
20:33:16 <wseltzer> ... and to see if core spec has necessary extension points
20:34:18 <wseltzer> Virginie: we don't want to ask Trevor to do unnecssary work
20:34:51 <wseltzer> rbarnes: I'm proposing hold until November, since then we'll either know CFRG choice or that it can't make a choice
20:35:07 <wseltzer> ... You probably should define a format for Curve 25519 JWK
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20:35:21 <wseltzer> Trevor: I should add JWK, so it's a complete rough draft
20:35:52 <wseltzer> Virginie: that would be great
20:37:45 <wseltzer> ... Also consider mode for contribution: IE or non-member contribution
20:38:18 <wseltzer> Virginie: Thanks, Trevor
20:38:51 <Zakim> -karen_oDonoghue
20:38:53 <Zakim> -Trevor_Perrin
20:38:53 <Zakim> -JYates
20:38:55 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:38:55 <Zakim> -rbarnes
20:38:57 <Zakim> -Wendy
20:38:58 <Zakim> -markw
20:39:05 <Zakim> -Virginie
20:39:06 <Zakim> SEC_WebCryp()3:00PM has ended
20:39:06 <Zakim> Attendees were JYates, +1.510.508.aaaa, Wendy, Virginie, karen_oDonoghue, Trevor_Perrin, rbarnes, markw, selfissued, Israel
20:39:10 <wseltzer> RRSAgent, make minutes
20:39:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
20:39:17 <wseltzer> regrets+ BAL, rsleevi
20:39:23 <wseltzer> trackbot, end teleconf
20:39:23 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
20:39:23 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
20:39:29 <wseltzer> RRSAgent, make minutes
20:39:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
20:39:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:39:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-crypto-minutes.html trackbot
20:39:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
20:39:32 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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20:40:26 <wseltzer> Chair: Virginie_Galindo
20:40:46 <wseltzer> Meeting: WebCrypto WG informal meeting with Trevor Perrin
20:40:49 <wseltzer> RRSAgent, make minutes
20:40:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-crypto-minutes.html wseltzer
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20:45:26 <harry> RRSAgent, generate minutes
20:45:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-crypto-minutes.html harry
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