IRC log of forms on 2014-05-07

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Zakim, this will be IA_XForms

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Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 07 May 2014

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014May/0001

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Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014May/0001

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Chair: Steven

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IA_XForms()11:00AM has now started

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+pfennell

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+??P11

14:59:51 [Steven_]

zakim, I am ?

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+Steven_; got it

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+[IPcaller]

15:01:09 [alain]

Zakim, I am [IPCaller]

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ok, alain, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

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+ebruchez

15:02:55 [Steven]

Topic: Announcements

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Steven: I am presenting something on XForms at XML London

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... Philip will be there as well.

15:03:36 [Steven]

Topic: ACTION-1970 - Propose list of page access functions

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014May/0000.html

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Erik: We discussed this last time.

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Steven: It wowuld be useful.

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Erik: One function to get the URI, it is called Location in browsers

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s/wow/wo/

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Erik: I have to admit I don't understand the subtleties of URIs, but the other functions extract parts of a URI

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Erik: I have used the names used in the Java class for this

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Steven: Why might the 'raw' part be useful?

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Erik: I'm not fully convinced.

15:08:45 [Steven]

... it might be so that you can split parts properly, for instance if there is an "=" in the query string

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... I'm only 60% convinced

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Steven: Though the 'param-values' should solve that anyway.

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Erik: Should we use the 'anyURI' type at all?

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... it seems to allow any string at all nowadays.

15:13:21 [Steven]

... it does make it clear in the function signature, but it doesn't give you any gains.

15:14:15 [Steven]

... so 'parameter-values' could just take a string

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Steven: So that any string would work, as long as it contained parameters in URI form?

15:14:40 [Steven]

Erik: Yes

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Steven: So you could apply 'parameter-values' to a string that had been extracted from a URI with uri-query

15:16:51 [ebruchez]

?abc=def&ghi=klm

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?abc=d%26ef&g%26hi=klm

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Erik: THe question is when to process the % escapes

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abc -> d&ef

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s/TH/Th/

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xf:uri-query(‘http://abc.org/foo?abc=d%26ef&g%26hi=klm’)

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Steven: That then explains why you need the 'raw' parameter

15:19:26 [ebruchez]

processed -> ‘abc=d&ef&g&hi=klm’)’

15:19:33 [ebruchez]

raw -> ‘d%26ef&g%26hi=klm’)’

15:20:25 [Steven]

Erik: It in any case allows you access to everything

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Steven: So the two questions are: Do we want to use the anyURI data type, and 2) Do we want to include the 'raw' versions

15:24:18 [ebruchez]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-xpath-functions-30-20140408/

15:24:43 [Steven]

Erik: In that link, they mention that every character is allowed in an anyURI

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Philip: There are very few functions that take an anyURI, the vast majority are taken as strings

15:26:40 [Steven]

Erik: Maybe we should follow XPath that return values are anyURI, but parameters are strings.

15:27:07 [Steven]

... I don't know if that is accepted practice though

15:27:46 [ebruchez]

http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-30/#promotion

15:28:15 [ebruchez]

“RI type promotion: A value of type xs:anyURI (or any type derived by restriction from xs:anyURI) can be promoted to the type xs:string. The result of this promotion is created by casting the original value to the type xs:string.”

15:28:19 [Steven]

" and it allows any character string to appear as the value of an xs:anyURI item. '

15:28:23 [ebruchez]

s/“RI/“URI

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Erik: Validation of anyURI gives you nothing

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-ebruchez

15:30:11 [Steven]

Steven: If XSD 1.1 says that anyURI==string, then you neither gain nor lose.\

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s/\//

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+ebruchez

15:31:13 [ebruchez]

http://expath.org/modules/http-client/

15:31:23 [Steven]

Erik: EXPath has modules for http

15:31:38 [ebruchez]

http://expath.org/spec/http-client

15:31:51 [ebruchez]

“ It is an xs:anyURI, but is declared as a string to be able to pass literal strings (without requiring to explicitly cast it to an xs:anyURI)”

15:32:01 [Steven]

Erik: "It is an xs:anyURI, but is declared as a string to be able to pass literal strings (without requiring to explicitly cast it to an xs:anyURI)."

15:32:46 [ebruchez]

foo(‘’http:///example.org)

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foo(xs:anyURI(‘http://example.org’))

15:33:01 [Steven]

Steven: OK, let's follow that example then

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Steven: String it is then

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Erik: I will ask someone who knows about it, to see if there's anything we need to consider

15:34:18 [Steven]

Steven: And do we go with 'raw'?

15:34:24 [Steven]

Erik: Yes

15:34:43 [Steven]

Erik: One last question.

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... EXPath is not a large organisation

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... it could be an interesting place to propose these functions there.

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Steven: Go for it!

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Erik: But still a part of XForms?

15:36:27 [Steven]

Steven: That would be faster I guess, but it would be good to share

15:36:45 [Steven]

ACTION: Erik to contact EXPath about URI functions

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Created ACTION-1973 - Contact expath about uri functions [on Erik Bruchez - due 2014-05-14].

15:37:19 [Steven]

Steven: If we adopt this, we need spec text.

15:37:32 [Steven]

action; erik to spec URI functions

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ACTION: Erik to spec URI functions

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Created ACTION-1974 - Spec uri functions [on Erik Bruchez - due 2014-05-14].

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Topic: AOB?

15:38:46 [Steven]

Erik: Someone sent me directly an email about multipart in submission

15:38:52 [ebruchez]

http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-forms-minutes.html

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Erik: I replied that it hadn't been done, and is a bit late for XForms 2,0

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s/,/.

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Erik: But we should revive that.

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Steven: Let's look at it again. I'll put it on the agenda.

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[ADJOURN]

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-Steven_

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-pfennell

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-[IPcaller]

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-ebruchez

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Attendees were pfennell, Steven_, [IPcaller], ebruchez

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