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<trackbot> Date: 10 March 2014
<ivan> karen, you can dial in now
<ivan> oops, wrong channel
<scribe> scribe: tzviya
markus: minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-03-03.html
approved
markus: ask generally about annotations publication status?
ivan: it should publish on thursday, would be good if one of chairs bloged about it
markus: yes, we will
Dauwhe: can write about latinreq as well
markus: potential for F2F in
California in Oct 27 - 31
... it will not be the whole week, just beginning or end of
week
... we must officially register with W3C whether we want to
schedule time at TPAC
Thierry: perhaps open poll whether this is mon/tue or Thu/Fri
<scribe> ACTION: Thierry open poll [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/10-dpub-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Open poll [on Thierry Michel - due 2014-03-17].
markus: annotation and latinreq
moving to first draft and in good state
... we missed out on talking about Math and STEM with
Jean
... Jean has had to leave the group at least temporarily
<karen> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
markus: so, the group is without
a lead for now
... We are now looking at the groups to see how we can move
forward remaining TFs
... There are 2 problems with our groups
... not enough resources (yet)
... and the organization of TFs might not be very good
... what can we do to make sure we get moving with other
groups?
... suggestion is to look at entries and assess how to move
things forward
<ivan> list of task forces
markus: the opportunity we have
to get digital pub working with OWP is a great one
... we owe it to ourselves and the community
karen: ivan and i have been
working with many organizations and publishers. we are starting
to see some renewed interest from software service
providers
... not as much from trade publishers
... the education market wants to do more
... if anyone else on call has any resources for Karen to reach
out to, please let her know
... if there is anyone non-tech to reach out to (tech gets it),
then let karen know
dave: going back to organization of TFs - it might be helpful to have fewer, broader TFs
<liza> +1
dave: one set of principles revolves around appearance (layout and DOM), another revolves around communicating with system
liza: we set ourselves up to fail
with topics like "metadata" which is too big. we might want to
focus on specific aspects of metadata
... we might want to focus on requests from publishers (what
they want to do now in publications)
... and also focus on requests from reading systems (what they
want to do in reading systems dev)
markus: broader categories such
as appearance, and then others are sub-categories
... but this might be counter productive, because we don't have
a clear missive
liza: categorizing use cases makes sense, especially if fall into buckets that make sense to W3C world (presentation, markup, etc)
Bill_Kasdorf: liza's suggestion of just focusing on what there is demand for from OWP might help guide discussion, otherwise becomes unweildy
Luc: point of view of publishers is good, but my global feeling is that we need help from W3C for wider viewpoint, otherwise this is not different from IDPF
Bill_Kasdorf: How do we get the right people on these groups? There has been a reluctance for organizations to join W3C/commit time, but we can consult with them when we have drafts
azaroth: I don't think this is
about differentiating from IDPF
... publishing notes first as drafts is a good way to bring in
feedback. Not as daunting as joining a committee
markus: yes, good point. But, how do we get to drafts?
ivan: i don't see any problem
with reaching out to others outside of W3C for feedback
... We are missing a clear goal for what each TF intends to
do
+1
Ivan: We now have a goal for
behavioral UI, so it is likely that we will end up with
something specific
... for other TFs, we should formalize goals
... example - it could be a goal of a11y TF to review existing
documentation and determine if they are fully compliant and
what changes need to be made
markus: these should be short-term goals?
ivan: we need to define what we should produce
markus: i've gleaned 2
things
... 1st is a partial reorg of TFs, some stand by themselves,
but others may need to be combined
... 2nd is to produce and document a short-term focus and
goals
Gerardo: thinking about goals for
a11y short-term goals
... not sure if reviewing documentation would be a fruitful
goal for this TF based on history with browsers
markus: there may be other
goals
... what are we delivering next?
Bill_Kasdorf: we can produce
short-term goals for metadata, will talk to madi
... this group talks about book publishing exclusively, no
magazines, no journals. are we in position to get info from
other fields?
markus: we can only work with
what we have.
... Regarding metadata, we had a concrete goal to describe
current problems of publishers
... until we have that, I would hesitate to go further
Bill_Kasdorf: none of the people that I would talk to about publishers are in this group
markus: bring this list of people to W3C staff and start there
<madi> Graham Bell is the Exec. Director of EDitEUR
<Luc> I confirm
Ivan: it is perfectly acceptable to gather info from these people and then document within the group
markus: metadata goal = gathering issues from within publishing of what cannot be done today
Julie_BISG: a lot of TFs overlap
with BISG committee work, so we can take work back to those
committees
... we can even include an agenda item to check in on W3C
TF
markus: BISG is a bona fide member of W3C member, so can assign members to W3C in interim
<liza> Okey-doke
<scribe> ACTION: markus, liza, tzviya produce new TF for content-related issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/10-dpub-minutes.html#action02]
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<azaroth> Including latinreq and annotation?
<scribe> ACTION: all TF leads formulate goals of TF - keep it short [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/10-dpub-minutes.html#action03]
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<azaroth> okay :)
markus: ivan, please create
additional column "current goal" on wiki
... page DOM is officially dormant because we are still looking
for someone to take it on
... this could extend to APIs and scripting
... we will follow up on goals next week
Bill_Kasdorf: still focusing on metadata on 17 Mar?
markus: yes, but it will be about
10 minutes
... we will rename bahavioral UI this week
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