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16:48:15 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
16:48:15 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
16:48:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:48:16 <trackbot> Date: 06 March 2014
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17:02:18 <chrislowis> zakim, ipcaller is me
17:02:18 <Zakim> +chrislowis; got it
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17:02:45 <jernoble> Zakim, ??P6 is me
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17:04:13 <olivier> hmm zakim is not letting me connect
17:04:15 <jernoble> Zakim, ??P6 is me
17:04:15 <Zakim> +jernoble; got it
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17:04:38 <kawai> Zakim +??P6 is me
17:04:45 <shepazu> olivier, why o note?
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17:05:02 <shepazu> er, why not?
17:05:15 <padenot> are we meeting now ?
17:05:43 <shepazu> padenot, yes, once olivier joins
17:05:44 <olivier> shepazu: wish I knew. connected earlier, got disconnected for no apparent reason, can't connect any more. Could be our phone system. trying still
17:06:04 <shepazu> olivier, you might try skype?
17:06:13 <Zakim> +olivier
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17:07:37 <Zakim> +padenot
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17:08:13 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
17:08:13 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
17:09:51 <olivier> Topic: review of action items
17:09:55 <chrislowis> scribeNick: chrislowis
17:10:08 <chrislowis> olivier: outstanding action items first.
17:10:11 <olivier> Agenda+ f2f meeting
17:10:16 <olivier> Agenda?
17:10:30 <olivier> zakim, drop agendum 4
17:10:30 <Zakim> agendum 4, next FTF meeting, dropped
17:10:46 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/agenda
17:10:57 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014JanMar/0129.html
17:11:30 <chrislowis> olivier: on item #94, the removal of the action item is outstanding on paul to merge.
17:11:38 <chrislowis> padenot: I can merge it.
17:11:41 <olivier> close action-94
17:11:41 <trackbot> Closed action-94.
17:12:00 <chrislowis> olivier: on action-96, it's still ongoing.
17:12:05 <olivier> action-96 due in 2 weeks
17:12:05 <trackbot> Set action-96 Draft strawman proposal(s) on scriptprocessornodes in workers - see github issue 113 due date to 2014-03-20.
17:12:24 <olivier> action-95
17:12:24 <trackbot> action-95 -- Chris Lowis to Open github issue on http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-audio/2014janmar/0088.html - document discussion so far -- due 2014-02-27 -- OPEN
17:12:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/95
17:12:29 <chrislowis> olivier: on action-95.
17:12:48 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2014JanMar/0088
17:13:05 <olivier> action-95 due in 1 week
17:13:05 <trackbot> Set action-95 Open github issue on http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-audio/2014janmar/0088.html - document discussion so far due date to 2014-03-13.
17:13:22 <chrislowis> olivier: two actions which are on mdjp
17:13:37 <chrislowis> olivier: he sends his regrets.
17:13:57 <olivier> action-87
17:13:57 <trackbot> action-87 -- Matthew Paradis to Review http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/webaudio, suggest updates -- due 2014-03-06 -- OPEN
17:13:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/87
17:14:33 <chrislowis> olivier: on action-87, mdjp says he has reviewed some of the documentation, he thinks it's quite different to the current spec, and he will send an update to the list.
17:14:54 <chrislowis> olivier: he wants to update the documentation to include simple examples to illustrate how each node works.
17:14:54 <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aaaa
17:14:54 <olivier> action-88
17:14:54 <trackbot> action-88 -- Matthew Paradis to Start discussion on audio-dev list about known best practices (and tutorials), make sure to include stuff linked in chrislowis' newsletter -- due 2014-03-06 -- OPEN
17:14:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/88
17:15:02 <chrislowis> olivier: which crosses over with action-88
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17:15:11 <chrislowis> zakin, aaaa is rtoyg
17:15:15 <chrislowis> zakim, aaaa is rtoyg
17:15:15 <Zakim> +rtoyg; got it
17:15:19 <olivier> action-88
17:15:20 <trackbot> action-88 -- Matthew Paradis to Start discussion on audio-dev list about known best practices (and tutorials), make sure to include stuff linked in chrislowis' newsletter -- due 2014-03-06 -- OPEN
17:15:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/88
17:15:41 <olivier> action-88: discussion started at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio-dev/2014Mar/0000.html
17:15:41 <trackbot> Notes added to action-88 Start discussion on audio-dev list about known best practices (and tutorials), make sure to include stuff linked in chrislowis' newsletter.
17:15:47 <olivier> action-88 closed
17:15:47 <trackbot> Closed action-88.
17:16:46 <chrislowis> olivier: I thought we could spend a little bit of time on issue 282
17:16:57 <olivier> Topic: progress on issue 282 - cross origin behaviour
17:17:20 <chrislowis> padenot: I think that got merged.
17:17:42 <chrislowis> olivier: looks like there was a call for consensus and everyone was happy.
17:17:52 <chrislowis> padenot: I think cwilso reviewed that.
17:17:58 <chrislowis> olivier: So I think we can close that.
17:18:02 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/282 closed - merge done and cross-reviewed by editors
17:18:32 <chrislowis> olivier: and next https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/254
17:18:49 <olivier> Topic: progress on issue 254 - non audiobuffer data races
17:18:49 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/254
17:18:58 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/commit/ac15990656442a366e83c03bf9165f60882032d4
17:19:06 <olivier> (PR for the change)
17:19:11 <chrislowis> olivier: something seems to have been pushed to fix that.
17:20:03 <chrislowis> padenot: with that one, it just reflected the proposal I made in an email.
17:20:04 <olivier> the original proposal was http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013AprJun/0644.html
17:20:20 <chrislowis> olivier: did you run into any problem you'd like to share?
17:20:47 <chrislowis> padenot: no, it was fairly straight forward. I pushed a fix for the first three agreed issues, and there's one where we don't have a consensus yet.
17:21:11 <chrislowis> olivier: I think we can close 254 because the final issue is in a new ticket.
17:21:12 <olivier> closing https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/254 - satisfactory. only remaining data race is tracked elsewhere
17:21:29 <olivier> (for reference: https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/268 is the remaining one)
17:22:30 <chrislowis> olivier: I vote we wait for the next call to discuss this with cwilso.
17:22:52 <olivier> [ looking at https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues?direction=desc&page=1&sort=updated&state=open ]
17:23:20 <chrislowis> olivier: do we have anything padenot outstanding with the oscillators?
17:23:28 <olivier> Topic: oscillatornode issues
17:23:35 <chrislowis> padenot: I pushed my interface proposal for that to a branch.
17:23:50 <padenot> https://github.com/padenot/web-audio-api/commit/7c83c01386e56df9e601cb037dab7ae515e3d1f5
17:24:42 <chrislowis> padenot: it's a new attribute "bandlimited" which defaults to `true` for today's behaviour, and when `false` it would give the 'mathematically correct' oscillator.
17:25:04 <chrislowis> olivier: I can't remember if it was marcus or rtoyg who had some reservations about this.
17:25:17 <chrislowis> olivier: padenot can you send an email to the list to get some discussion going around this?
17:25:35 <chrislowis> olivier: does this relate to issue 249?
17:25:39 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/249
17:26:07 <chrislowis> olivier: about making the interface consistent with AudioBufferSourceNode.
17:26:31 <chrislowis> padenot: there's a nice symmetry that could exist between these two nodes. And it would be good to align them.
17:26:33 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013OctDec/0034.html
17:26:49 <chrislowis> (AudioBufferSourceNode does not
17:26:49 <chrislowis> require a when argument.)
17:27:19 <chrislowis> olivier: padenot could you take this on, I don't think it will be too problematic.
17:27:25 <chrislowis> padenot: sure, I can do that.
17:27:39 <chrislowis> olivier: these args will be optional, so there's no backwards-compat issues.
17:28:37 <olivier> Topic: live editor Q&A
17:29:05 <chrislowis> padenot: I'm working on the bandlimited oscillators, and otherwise, I think I merged most of what I'm working on.
17:29:31 <chrislowis> olivier: I get the sense that there's a lot of issues open, some of them nagging. And maybe we could do with a roadmap.
17:29:44 <chrislowis> padenot: yes, it's a mess right now. We could do with a triage.
17:30:01 <chrislowis> padenot: and there's some places where things aren't spec'd yet (e.g. DynamicsCompressorNode)
17:30:36 <chrislowis> olivier: do you have a preference for how to do this? Maybe a spreadsheet with votes on how to prioritse them. Or an extended call to do that?
17:30:50 <chrislowis> padenot: I'd rather have a spreadsheet I think, it could be a long call.
17:31:18 <chrislowis> olivier: ok, why don't I start this, get some feedback from you two editors, and see how to proceed from there?
17:31:34 <chrislowis> olivier: I think, if we're not to have a f2f in the spring, we can have a triage meeting to do that.
17:31:36 <olivier> ACTION: Olivier to start spreadsheet to triage issues for webaudio api
17:31:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Start spreadsheet to triage issues for webaudio api [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2014-03-13].
17:31:49 <olivier> agenda?
17:32:20 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 5
17:32:20 <Zakim> agendum 5. "audio EQ cookbook" taken up [from shepazu]
17:32:26 <chrislowis> zakim, who is on the call?
17:32:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Doug_Schepers, chrislowis, jernoble, [IPcaller], padenot, olivier, rtoyg
17:33:33 <padenot> http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt, fwiw
17:33:40 <chrislowis> shepazu: in the spec, we had referenced a document with details of filter design. But we were worried about the longevity. And I had an action to contact him and see if we could publish it
17:34:02 <chrislowis> shepazu: he said that we could, and we got stalled a bit about how to do that, with crogers leaving .
17:34:19 <chrislowis> shepazu: my proposal is to convert the doc to mathml and add it as an appendix to the spec.
17:34:26 <chrislowis> olivier: how does that work in terms of copyright?
17:34:34 <chrislowis> shepazu: he's given us permission to publish it.
17:34:42 <chrislowis> shepazu: and that's non-exclusive.
17:35:07 <chrislowis> shepazu: I guess that would mean that we would give him some authoring credit too on the spec.
17:35:19 <chrislowis> shepazu: I just wanted to see if that's a good approach.
17:36:42 <chrislowis> shepazu: I think we'd use mathjax to support the mathml.
17:38:16 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 5
17:38:16 <Zakim> agendum 5, audio EQ cookbook, closed
17:38:17 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:38:17 <Zakim> 6. f2f meeting [from olivier]
17:38:26 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 6
17:38:26 <Zakim> agendum 6. "f2f meeting" taken up [from olivier]
17:38:37 <chrislowis> olivier: two things on this.
17:39:03 <chrislowis> olivier: 1. there's an email I sent earlier this week. I suggested that we should have one, at least two f2f meetings.
17:39:16 <chrislowis> olivier: I think TPAC in santa clara would be one good date.
17:39:44 <chrislowis> shepazu: yes, but it does tend to be busy for a lot of people. It's good for meeting people in other groups, but maybe not for concentrated meetings.
17:39:59 <chrislowis> olivier: yes, and early summer would be a goal for another f2f meeting.
17:40:22 <chrislowis> olivier: piggy-backing on the meeting in Cambridge, MA which cwilso would prefer not to.
17:40:47 <chrislowis> olivier: so I'd repeat the call for hosts, and times.
17:41:43 <chrislowis> olivier: so if your company can host the meeting, please do say so.
17:42:54 <olivier> Topic: next meeting
17:42:59 <chrislowis> olivier: adjurned for now. Next meeting 20th!
17:43:14 <Zakim> -jernoble
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17:45:44 <olivier> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:45:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/06-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:46:06 <olivier> rrsagent, make logs world
17:46:08 <olivier> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:46:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/06-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:46:16 <olivier> Chair: olivier
17:46:18 <olivier> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:46:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/06-audio-minutes.html olivier
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18:00:20 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has ended
18:00:20 <Zakim> Attendees were olivier, Doug_Schepers, chrislowis, jernoble, [IPcaller], padenot, +1.650.214.aaaa, rtoyg