IRC log of mobile-a11y on 2014-02-28

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-mobile-a11y-irc
12:44:02 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, make logs 328
12:44:04 [trackbot]
Zakim, this will be
12:44:05 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:44:05 [trackbot]
Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 28 February 2014
12:44:12 [Kathy]
zakim, this will be 6283
12:44:12 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Kathy
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14:08:52 [Kathy]
zakim, this will be 6283
14:08:52 [Zakim]
ok, Kathy; I see WAI_MATF()10:00AM scheduled to start in 52 minutes
14:09:06 [Kathy]
agenda?
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14:36:35 [KimPatch]
agenda?
14:52:13 [Zakim]
WAI_MATF()10:00AM has now started
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+Kim_Patch
14:53:04 [Zakim]
+Kathy_Wahlbin
14:53:15 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/General_Techniques#Instructions_to_the_Task_Force
14:54:11 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/HTML_Techniques
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14:59:29 [alistair]
Running a little late
14:59:33 [Zakim]
+Jeanne
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+DavidTodd
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15:00:15 [Zakim]
+Alan_Smith
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+Kathleen
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+??P8
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+WuWei
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+ +1.703.637.aaaa
15:02:48 [Kathy]
chair: Kathy
15:02:54 [Kathy]
scribe: Kathleen
15:03:09 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
15:03:10 [alistair]
zakim, ipcaller is alistair
15:03:10 [Zakim]
+alistair; got it
15:03:11 [MichaelC]
ack me
15:03:38 [MichaelC]
zakim, aaaa is Jon_Avila
15:03:38 [Zakim]
+Jon_Avila; got it
15:03:56 [MichaelC]
zakim, mute me
15:03:57 [Zakim]
Michael_Cooper should now be muted
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15:04:58 [kathleen]
zakim, who is one the phone?
15:04:58 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, kathleen.
15:05:01 [Kathy]
agenda?
15:05:07 [kathleen]
zakim, who is on the phone
15:05:07 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', kathleen
15:05:16 [kathleen]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:16 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Alan_Smith, Kathleen, Michael_Cooper (muted), WuWei (muted), Jon_Avila, alistair
15:05:36 [kathleen]
zakim, take up next
15:05:36 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "WCAG 2.0 Techniques & Understanding Documents" taken up [from Kathy]
15:07:27 [kathleen]
Kathy: let's talk about the techniques
15:07:56 [Kathy]
http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/
15:08:04 [kathleen]
Kathy: we noticed the technique might not need chnages but the understanding documents might need changing
15:08:29 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/General_Techniques
15:08:39 [kathleen]
Kathy: add notes for the understanding section
15:08:43 [alan_]
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15:09:01 [Kathy]
http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/text-equiv-all.html
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15:11:50 [kathleen]
Kathy: we need to decide what we want to do and how we want to document this
15:12:40 [Zakim]
+Detlev
15:12:52 [kathleen]
DavidTodd: would be nice to have it all in one place
15:12:57 [Detlev]
Zakim, mute me
15:12:57 [Zakim]
Detlev should now be muted
15:13:26 [kathleen]
Kathy: it gets tricky because of all the relationships
15:15:21 [kathleen]
alan_: will it be a separate document specific to mobile?
15:17:04 [kathleen]
Kathy: I will create a separate document for the Understanding
15:17:13 [kathleen]
Kathy: from there we can figure out the changes
15:18:39 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_Understanding_WCAG_2.0
15:19:31 [Detlev]
q+
15:20:52 [Kathy]
q?
15:20:55 [Detlev]
ack me
15:21:20 [kathleen]
Detlev: what's going to happen with the draft WCAG understnding page?
15:21:46 [kathleen]
Kathy: we will be making chnages to the techniques and understanding documents
15:22:40 [kathleen]
Kathy: we are waiting for the WCAG to come back and tell us how to make those chnages
15:22:58 [kathleen]
Kathy: will be discussions on that at CSUN
15:23:54 [kathleen]
Kathy: any other suggestions on how we can document proposed changes?
15:24:01 [Detlev]
Zakim, mute me
15:24:01 [Zakim]
Detlev should now be muted
15:24:03 [kathleen]
Kathy: I will put out a survey
15:24:30 [kathleen]
Kathy: understanding socuments will be a better fit if you are not technical
15:25:18 [Kathy]
q?
15:25:52 [Detlev]
no
15:25:58 [Detlev]
ack me
15:26:12 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/New_WCAG_2.0_Techniques
15:26:30 [kathleen]
zakim, take up next
15:26:30 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "What is missing from WCAG 2.0 for Mobile Web and Mobile Apps" taken up [from Kathy]
15:26:30 [Detlev]
Zakim, mute me
15:26:32 [Zakim]
Detlev should now be muted
15:26:44 [kathleen]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:26:44 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Alan_Smith, Kathleen, Michael_Cooper (muted), WuWei (muted), Jon_Avila, alistair, Detlev (muted)
15:27:48 [kathleen]
Kathy: please review New WCAG 2.0 Techniques an then we will discuss
15:29:36 [jeanne]
I think Mobile Web section should include support for user stylesheets to customize appearance of web sites.
15:29:51 [Jon_avila]
I'm good.
15:30:03 [kathleen]
q+
15:30:06 [jeanne]
... although that may be a UAAG 2.0 issue more than WCAG.
15:31:11 [kathleen]
q-
15:31:33 [Jon_avila]
q+
15:31:34 [Detlev]
q+
15:31:39 [kathleen]
Kathleen: add a long touch to #4 - Define the hover, focus, selected and touch states
15:31:52 [kathleen]
Jon_avila: server-side?
15:32:27 [kathleen]
Jon_avlia: best practice?
15:32:59 [Detlev]
ack me
15:33:03 [kathleen]
Jon_avila: look at BBC guidelines
15:33:40 [kathleen]
Detlev: failure specific to the use of screenreaders?
15:33:49 [jeanne]
Jeanne: Also look at the Funka Nu guidelines for ideas
15:34:27 [kathleen]
Detlev: how do we scope the techniques?
15:36:28 [kathleen]
Kathy: what things are missing?
15:36:54 [Jon_avila]
q+
15:37:40 [kathleen]
Jon_avlia: an area of concern - keyboard success criteria - for apps designed to work without a keyboard
15:38:03 [kathleen]
Jon_avila: what would constiture equivelent access?
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15:38:29 [Zakim]
-Alan_Smith
15:39:17 [kathleen]
Kathy: everything we do gets run by WCAG
15:39:29 [Kathy]
q?
15:39:36 [Jon_avila]
q+
15:40:06 [kathleen]
Jon_avila: we are seeing that you have to swipe in from the side with no visual indication that you have to do that
15:40:18 [wuwei]
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15:40:30 [kathleen]
KIMPatch: what's missing is discoverability
15:40:40 [Jon_avila]
both
15:41:35 [Jon_avila]
q?
15:41:52 [Jon_avila]
q-
15:42:01 [Detlev]
q+
15:42:11 [kathleen]
DavidTodd: many apps have tutorials
15:42:14 [Detlev]
q-
15:42:22 [alan_]
Sorry, had to drop call.
15:42:24 [kathleen]
Kathy: instructions for custom functions and gestures
15:42:25 [Kathy]
q?
15:42:41 [kathleen]
rrsagent, draft minutes
15:42:41 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html kathleen
15:43:10 [Detlev]
q+
15:43:12 [kathleen]
Kathy: does #12 apply to both mobile web and mobile apps?
15:43:16 [Detlev]
ack me
15:43:26 [kathleen]
DavidTodd: i think it applies to both
15:44:05 [kathleen]
Detlev: isn't this already in WCAG?
15:44:41 [Kathy]
q?
15:44:59 [kathleen]
Kathy: anything else we need to add?
15:45:13 [Detlev]
needs more time for thought..
15:45:34 [kathleen]
Kathy: over the next see if there's anything else that needs to be added
15:46:00 [kathleen]
Kathy: look at techniques - the ones we haven't gone through
15:46:28 [Jon_avila]
q+
15:47:10 [kathleen]
Jon_avila: what if we have something we don't agree on? Put a comment with our name?
15:47:13 [kathleen]
Kathy: Yes
15:48:43 [Detlev]
q+
15:48:44 [Jon_avila]
q-
15:49:51 [kathleen]
Kathy: survey coming later today
15:50:04 [kathleen]
zakim, who is on the phone?
15:50:04 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Kathleen, Michael_Cooper (muted), WuWei (muted), Jon_Avila, alistair, Detlev
15:50:27 [kathleen]
KimPatch: the more eyes, the better
15:51:17 [kathleen]
zakim, make minutes
15:51:17 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make minutes', kathleen
15:51:27 [kathleen]
rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:27 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html kathleen
15:51:45 [Detlev]
bye
15:51:48 [Zakim]
-Jon_Avila
15:51:48 [wuwei]
bye
15:51:49 [Zakim]
-alistair
15:51:49 [Zakim]
-DavidTodd
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-Detlev
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-Kathy_Wahlbin
15:51:53 [Zakim]
-Kathleen
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Jeanne
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-WuWei
15:52:26 [kathleen]
I can't access the link for minutes
15:52:28 [Zakim]
-Kim_Patch
15:52:29 [Zakim]
WAI_MATF()10:00AM has ended
15:52:29 [Zakim]
Attendees were Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Jeanne, DavidTodd, Alan_Smith, Kathleen, Michael_Cooper, WuWei, +1.703.637.aaaa, alistair, Jon_Avila, Detlev
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18:11:06 [MichaelC]
zakim, bye
18:11:06 [Zakim]
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18:11:09 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make log world
18:11:37 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make minutes
18:11:37 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html MichaelC
18:11:40 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, bye
18:11:40 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items