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<Lisa_Seeman> regrets debra_dahl,Mary Jo Mueller,Kinshuk
<ElleWaters> Apologies, everyone, but I am in a conference workshop and only able to participate via IRC today.
<karlgroves> zakim [IPcaller] is me
scribeL JF
<scribe> scribe: JF
<janina> zaim, mute me
LS: some folks reporting having issues with the wiki
any other issues to discuss?
<JohnRochford> I have no issues to bring up.
<NeilMilliken> I'd definitely like an overview of how to use the wiki
LS: is it worth scheduling some time to look at wik?
DR: yes
LS: perhaps look at a skype sesssion or equiv
<NeilMilliken> text is OK but tables and more advanced content is causing me to scratch my head.
<ElleWaters> Yes, please
<JohnRochford> Yes, please.
<JohnRochford> Lisa, I think you missed that Elle is interested as well.
<NeilMilliken> Should be good by then
LS: asking Neil to talk-through
next week on discalcula
... heads up that I will be asking for other volunteers to do
the same in the next weeks
if you are having issues with the wiki, pink Lisa to overcome the "bumps in the road"
LS: need to start looking at technologies next for the background research
what technologies exist, and where the holes are
how things could be used to help us
and when/where things are lacking
Look at WCAG, ARIA, INdieUI
Web Components?
if anyone is not looking at user-scenarios or research that would be helpful
Rich is looking at Fluid (a non W3C spec)
is there something else we need to look at?
Course modelling language, etc.
anyone interested?
LS: there are a number out there, if we don't find volunteers or folks who are familiar with this, we will need to look for recruits
<Liddy> I am interested in doing things on language, yes
LS: seems that there are already folks on this call who could fill thost roles
<Lisa_Seeman> liddy can you also do IMS?
Lisa, we lost your audio feed
<Liddy> do what to them?
<Liddy> sure
KHS: suspect that Lisa wants a review of...
(lisa returns)
LS: need to look at IMS to know.
LN: Do this on the wiki, or vocally, or what
LD: Interested to know why IMS
The work done therer is done by a very few people
<ElleWaters> (I'm not on the call today, just IRC, due to being in a conference)
multiple threads of work/research - I can speak to that at any time
LD: the idea is access for all, and it is being played out using meta-data
used to convince the user what they actually want, not what they think they want
content is then transformed [unintelligable...]
LD: we need to figure out *how* to do the accessiblity, then extedn it out using the metadata
everyone is using the same metadata ideas
LS: so don't look at IMS, but rather access for all
LN: there are two types of metadata - from the user stating what is needed, and the resource: this is what is available
LS: so we need to see what is
there, as well as the holes - is there metadat of the cognition
issues that are needed?
... this would surface in the gap analysis, so that when we
build the road map we can capture it then
... are there any other types of technology that should be in
the gap analysis?
RS: believe we need to determine how are persons needs delivered to a web application? we need to convey the user needs
RS; plus the metadata, and then the handshake in the middle
LS: makes sense
:LS really about personalization
LS: Rich, the Fluid project address some of those issues, correct?
RS: yes, how well not sure, but
it does
... Fluid has been developed at OCAD, and is now growing
it has always been looking at personalization
LS: it does feel like the work of JIm Allen is useful
he is working on the labels to match them up
we need to look at Fluid to see if they are addressing the needs
LN: all of these projects are focused on how to do the matching
we also need to look at how to deliver that
LS: so one of the pieces that is missing is labels for cognitive function?
LN: yes
LS: so we need to look at those "tags" as well?
KHS: agree that metadata is important
but suggest that human factors stuff is also important
defingint he components in usability could be helpful
<Ryladog> Add HFES usability techniques
KHS: usability techniques
... CAN VOLUNTEER TO REVIEW THOSE
DR: interested in helping Katie with that
<NeilMilliken> Also interested in the Usability Coga crossover
LS: does anyone want to look at Web Components?
RS: the W3C Web Components? I have an awareness but don't think they have done any coga work there
LS: they haven't, but discussions at TPAC suggested it might be an enabling technology
<NeilMilliken> Currently doing quite a lot of work on UX/Usability/Accessibility crossover
RS: two google editors there
<NeilMilliken> My team at work are
(nobody on the call has a high awareness)
LS: they are doing stuff with the shadow DOM, etc.
<JohnRochford> Web Components Current Status = https://www.w3.org/standards/techs/components#w3c_all
JF asks Janina if there was anyone in WAI looking at WEb Components?
JS: nothing in a systematic
way
... on the roadmap for a better response
JF asks if anyone is interested in that?
JS: the other one is CSS modules
LS: there was simeone at TPAC interested in what we were doing - that there was a connedtion
the person had ADHD, and could see the link between the two
LS: if there are any other of these technologies we should be looking at, bring them forward now
ST: yes, the IMS would be usrful there
(JF notes that metadata keeps coming up)
<richardschwerdtfeger> APIP
ST: there is APIP as well
happy to look at that as well
RS: looking to merge the metadata from schema dot org and APIP and the access for all team
LS: we've heard that no-one has all of the pieces of what we want to do, so we continue to identify the gaps
RS: sure that we don't do cognative justice to coga (access for all)
<Lisa_Seeman> jf: look at biometrics
<NeilMilliken> I'm not cringing - I think biometrics would be a great help
<Lisa_Seeman> me to
<NeilMilliken> University of Southampton have done a lot around biometrics
<NeilMilliken> including stuff around gait recognition
<Lisa_Seeman> useful for CAPTCHA
<Ryladog> or Voiceprint recognition
<NeilMilliken> Also look at stuff like Jock McClear and his NFC ring
LS: so the sum is that we need to
identify that you are a human, and "who I am"
... this applies to secure emails as well - whenever there are
new codes to copy over or etc. - sees that as a possible
security benefit
KHS: yes, using biometrics would be a huge thing - calling up metadata for cognitive issues is not broad enough. biometricds could bring up fuirther needs as well
LS: don't want to lose this - can
we capture it on the wiki?
... there is a section on the wiki that collects "how could
inclusion be improved
ACTIO: john foliot to add to the wiki
<scribe> ACTION: john foliot to add to the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/24-coga-minutes.html#action01]
LN: metadata can be very robust
can specify exactly what the person needs
we don't have metadata that describes people, but rather their functional requirements - what the person wants
KHS: yes, that is the end. just thinking that one-way or other we need to get specific to user needs
relative to a specific individual, we could go very tightly focused - very specfic
LD: the way of delivering the requirments using biometrics, perhaps. the metadata itself is focused on functional requirements of the usre
LS: we need to identify who I am, then the metadata of who i am
LD: the way the metadata is built... if we can identify the functional requirement of what they need it can be added to the list
LS: which brings us back to where
we are - identify the gaps
... we are going to have this dicussion a few times - we will
need to continue to brainstorm further
<NeilMilliken> have to drop off the call but wilk stay on irc
<Ryladog> +1
<allanj> i'll be there
so far looks like Lisa, Rich, Katie, JF, mary-JO
<karlgroves> I'll be there
looks like at least 7 people, perhaps more will be at CSUN
LS; as far as an official meeting, we can't do it at this time
MC: there is time on the agenda on Tuesday for Task Force checkins
WCAG group will be meeting then
MC: can also organize something in advance, formally or otherwise
LS: would like to attend the WCAG
meeting
... think it would be helpful if we all sat in one place for a
dinner or...
KHS: there is the WCAG EM on Monday, then WCAG on Tuesday
Will folks be there on Monday?
<NeilMilliken> it would be but i willstruggle to attend
JF suggests a working breakfast?
(looking at Thursday - 7:30 - 9:00 AM?)
<NeilMilliken> any video conferencing opportunities
<karlgroves> +1 to mornings
<allanj> +1 to mornings
Lyles restaurant?
KHS: will look into that for next week
LS: on the hour, will leave it at that
<Liddy> quit
<NeilMilliken> ok until next week
<Lisa_Seeman> Thanks!
<Lisa_Seeman> trying to figuer it out....
<allanj> title: Cognitive TaskForce
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