claude: need to look at
terminology first
... wanted to represent concepts and collections of concepts in
skos
... have been aligning terminology concepts in FHIR and
SKOS
... HL7 captures some new concepts, e.g. a value set, that are
not in skos
... when you think of a value set, you might think "it's a
collection"
... but there are more semantics
... e.g. it can be a (hierarchical) schema
... or an extensional definition of a set
<Kerstin> Great point bout Value sets this is a hot topic in CDISC as well http://kerfors.blogspot.se/2013/10/the-future-of-cdisc-cts.html
claude: or an expression of the
intensional creation of a set (e.g. restriction from another
value set)
... skos captures collection and defintion of scheme
... also looking at broader, narrower and related
... for clinical terminologies, we need to specialize them a
bit
... e.g. part-to-who vs. is-a
... skos encourages this distinciton
<Kerstin> 4257
claude: for related, it's a broad
concept in skos but the docs tell you how to specialize
it
... skos has the notion of broaderThan, narrowerThan plus the
transitive variants
ericP: if you want a transitive related, do you make a subprop and say it's owl:transitiveprop?
claude: yep
ericP: could you create an ontology for the intensional definitions, i.e. restrictions? would it be worht it?
claude: first priority is just
the collections
... but could be valuable to capture the construction
expressions
... valuable to say "here's an expression which provides a
value set"
... intensional example "the set of 3 terms that are captured
by X"
ericP: could you make put the construction into an opaque URL and just have refs to the value sets?
claude: yes but the endpoitns
that can give you the whole collection aren't available
today
... nice to give the rules for creating the value set
... they aren't intersting to the user but they are to a
terminologist
aacc is charlie
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