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<trackbot> Date: 07 February 2014
<Alan_> Kathy did you get my email that I cannot scribe today? Gmail must have been down.
I can scribe
<Kathy> scribe: Detlev
Kathy: currently aligning mobile
a11y TF aligning with other groups
... Next Tues get together with WCAG WG group to co-ordinate
work on techniques
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_User_Survey_Questions
Kathy: Alan & Gavin looking
at questions to be entered into survey for use of mobile
... Suggests reading through draft survey to then decide where
we want to go
Kathleen: Include Q about the kind of devices people had tried using?
Kathy: Purpose is to collect
information on actual use of devices by users with
disabilities, what combination
... Create personas from that information
Sorry I missed this...
Kathy: Survey still very much a draft
David: contact info should be included upfront (optional)
<jeanne> q* to add country to demographics
Kim: Maybe have an open-ended Q at the end (anything else you want to say?)
<jeanne> I think you get the best info from the open-ended.
Ki: How do people feel about that?
David: Good idea
Alan: agrees
Kim: Hardware a big problem for ppl using speech recognition - should have Q on hardware specs
Alistair: Q Does the device have buttons 2. Do you prefer using buttons over touchscreen?
Jeanne: Country of origin should be included to be able to look fpr geographic differences
Kathy: What should be the best length of the survey? Suggestions? Could get too legthy..
Kathleen: At the beginning Survey
should tell users how long it takes to fill out, approx.
... Are we usein gW3C surve ymechanism?
Kathy: Not decided yet. Has advantages and disadvantages
Kathleen: Would be good to be
able to suspend and resume survey later (next day)
... Could be tyring to do it all at once
Alistair: Should be working on mobile phone (??)
Kathy: Survey should be turned
into final draft with survey (for feedback)
... (will edit for next meeting)
... We need to recruit people to actually respond to survey.
Any suggestions how to get people to respond?
Jeanne: Get in touch with Simon Harper (more EU based) to get contacts to distribute
Alan: Any a11y-specific grouls that may be contacted?
<jeanne> Andrew Arch can get contacts in Australia
<jeanne> I have a contact with Hong Kong Union for the Blind
Kathy: Look at grouos worldwide to see who can distribute that
I can use our network to distribute via INCOBS and Hoerkomm projects in germany
Kathleen: Use Twitter with a11y hashtag
Alan: Also has contacts to groups online to distribute
Alistair: is it needed in muliple
languages? Use W3C country offices ..
... Language can be a barrier
<DavidTodd> https://www.facebook.com/GAGDF
David: Facebook can be used to make survey better known about
Kathy: May be more difficult to
recruit people in countires outside Nortth America
... will create a recruiting list in Wiki for groups that can
be used to post the survey to worldwide
... Using multiple languages would recommend a tool that allows
multi-language surveys
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140118_survey/results
Kathy: W3C Survey to gwet allocated to WCAG Techniques to go through them and check whether they need mods
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Draft_WCAG_Techniques
Kathy: ANy questons?
... jsut note whether changes are needed or not
... Later work on it in a wiki
Detlev: Question about change needed for G61
Kathy: Yes, include if you thionk there *might* be need for change
Kim: Valuable part is thought about why a change may be needed (or not)
Alistair: Also look at W3Cs Best
Practices for mobile to ensure there is no conflict
... Recomms may be in conflict with MBP
Kim: Jan said BBC has techniques beyond W3C but ordered differently - Jan will map BBC techniques to WCAG Success Criteria
Jan; Anyone contacted Henny?
kathy: Yes
Jan: Mapping has been done - question is how to display it - 80% overlap - the most valuable part is specific twchniques for iOS, Android etc
Alistair: Mobile Best Practices currently out of date - wil they be updated?
Kathy There is a group that is working on MBP - we should coordinate with them
Kathy: Q to Jeanne how to get in touch with group working on MBP
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to talk with the W3C group that is updating the Mobile Best Practices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/07-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Talk with the w3c group that is updating the mobile best practices [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-02-14].
Kathy: Any questions about wor on Techniques?
David: Should we send findings to group?
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/General_Techniques
Kathy: All to be posted on the
Wiki - there are specific instructions for editing linked from
the survey
... Kim and Jeanne have gone through some already to get a cue
on how to do editing work
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Mobile_Resources
Kathy: Mobile resources - good list already with dates where possible
Kim: 8 pages from Andfrew still missing
http://eightmedia.github.io/hammer.js/
http://unobfuscated.blogspot.de/2013/11/accessible-javascript-gestures.html
Detlev: No section on scripting specific stuff like hammer.js etc (links above)
kathy: Just added JavaScript
Kim: Feel free to add category, if unsure, add it under misc
wILL DO
Kathleen: Request to Microsoft still unanswered...
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Third-Party_Development_Tool_Platforms
Kathleen: Stuff on 3rd party
add-ons?
... Apps on phone, like CodeFactory
<Kathy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/List_of_mobile_assistive_technologies,_and_the_capabilities_and_limitations
Kathy: we can create a separate
section (see link above)
... Any further thoughs on resources that are still
missing?
Jeanne: Organisation and hierarchy: should be tagged so it's easier to search
Anyone willing to look into tagging..
Kathy: Tag things - come up with a common set of tags
Jeanne: Hard part is to decide how to tag, not the technique
Kathy: first define tag list
Kim: Lets put up a Wiki page for tags
<jeanne> tags should include devices, operating systems, assistive technology and disabilities.
<jeanne> ... everything in our hierarchy should probably be a tag
Try to get Heinz Mehrlich to contribute resouces for LV users
<Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to discuss tagging
Kathy: We continue to work on WCAG Techniques, finalise user survey, still think about additions to Wiki (resources)
Can someone push the minutes?
<Kathy> yes
<Kathy> thanks Jeanne
thanks!
<Kathy> Regrets Gavin
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