IRC log of xproc on 2014-01-29

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14:54:29 [Norm]
zakim, this will be xproc
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ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/01/29-agenda
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Date: 29 Jan 2014
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Meeting: 241
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Chair: Norm
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Scribe: Norm
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ScribeNick: Norm
14:56:23 [Norm]
zakim, passcode?
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the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Norm
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XML_PMWG()10:00AM has now started
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+Norm
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+??P10
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coming
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+Alex_Milows
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, +[ is jf_2013
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sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named '+['
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zakim, + is jf_2013
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sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named '+'
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zakim, +IPcaller is jf_2013
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sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
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zakim +[IP is jf_2013
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zakim, +[IP is jf_2013
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sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named '+[IP'
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Norm, ht (muted), Alex_Milows, [IPcaller]
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On IRC I see ht, alexmilowski, jf_2013, Zakim, RRSAgent, Norm, liam
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zakim, [IP is jf_2013
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+jf_2013; got it
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Topic: Accept this agenda?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/01/29-agenda
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Accepted.
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Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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-> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/12/11-minutes
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Accepted.
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Topic: Next meeting: 5 Feb 2014.
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No regrets heard
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Topic: Open actions
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Jim: I've got the scxml review ready; where should I send it?
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Norm: Send it to the WG list.
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Topic: Face-to-face planning
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Norm: Jim wants to participate remotely.
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Henry: I'll try to borrow a high-end conference phone for the meeting.
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Norm: Thank you, Henry
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ACTION A-241-01: Henry to see about borrowing a quality conference phone for the face-to-face
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Henry: I noted an email somewhere about a request for an XProc status report at the eXist pre-conference
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Henry: No, I was mistaken. It wasn't a request.
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...It was a link to a presentation at Stylus Studio.
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Jim: I have a pending pull request to eXist to update the Calabash implementation.
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Alex: I see Jim is on the pre-conference agenda now, I don't think he was there yesterday.
15:10:40 [ht]
http://www.stylusstudio.com/XML-Editor-Blog/2014/01/15/XML-Pipelines-Presentation.aspx
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Jim: What's the agenda?
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Norm: I think we should begin to look at technical solutions for the requirements.
15:13:05 [alexmilowski]
Crazy bit in the agenda: Henry to deal with “23603” and “23606” (remove old school capitalization)
15:13:32 [Norm]
...In advance of a rechartering, that's a little risky, but if nothing else it's an exploration of the requirements.
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Alex: I've made dinner reservations for us on Wednesday night, 19 Feb, at 7:30p.
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Topic: Rechartering planning
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Norm: The thrust here is: no more XPP
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+1 to that
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Silence gives consent
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No objections heard.
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See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Jan/0020.html
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+1
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to publishing as a note
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Norm: If we're not carrying XPP forward, I think we should wrap it up and publish it as a note.
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Alex: Do we need to do anything?
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Henry: I think I've done the important ones. The only question is, should we take the pictures and discussion about validation back out?
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Norm: Why?
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Henry: It's had no review.
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Norm: I think we can leave itin.
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s/itin/it in/
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Jim: For what it's worth, I found the flowcharts useful.
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ACTION A-240-02: Package up the current XPP document as a Note and request publication.
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Norm: I'll touch base with Liam and drop the open actions related to XPP except for that one.
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Topic: Progress on 1.0 bugs
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Norm: We've received some community pushback on resolving 1.0 bugs. I did a couple.
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Jan/0009.html
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Norm attempts to explain.
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Henry: I think I prefer caching, but we can't do that as an erratum, it has to go in V2.
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Norm: I suppose as an erratum, we have to say the document-uri property is empty.
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Henry: My inclination is to simply publish an erratum that says there's a bug here; that the spec is underspecified; it's defacto implementation dependent in V1; we'll fix it in V2.
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Norm: I'm happy with that.
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Norm mumbles on about what Calabash does
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s/Calabash/XML Calabash/
15:29:18 [jf_2013]
I thnk your response was valid, there does seem to be some interesting corner cases with pitfalls lurking
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which may indicate deeper investigation
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Norm: I propose we take Henry's suggestion; document the bug, explain that it's probably too large a change to make as an erratum and assert that it's implementation dependent
15:29:46 [jf_2013]
+1
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Accepted.
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+1 to using git/github
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Alex: How are we tracking these in V2?
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Norm: I just wrote it in a buffer. I'll work on figuring out how to track them; perhaps at github
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ACTION A-241-03: Norm to ask Liam about using github
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2014Jan/0011.html
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Norm: Bug 21001
15:32:51 [jf_2013]
+1 looks good to me as well
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Alex: Looks good to me.
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Henry: Yep.
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ACTION A-241-04: Norm to construct an actual errata document with these two errata in it
15:33:56 [alexmilowski]
BTW, document-uri() comes from the XDM from the document node ancestor if it exists.
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So, by default it returns whatever that property contains.
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Topic: Progress on step libraries
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Jim reports no progress on zip and unzip
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Norm reports no progress on the file and system utility libraries
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Norm mutters a bit about his semantic web step experiments
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ACTION A-241-04 Alex to describe use cases for RDF support that require the ability to go back and forth from the triples to the documents.
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Jim: What part of our requirements does RDF come under?
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Norm: I don't think it's a requirement per se, but building step libraries is valuable.
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Topic: Any other business?
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None heard
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-Norm
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-jf_2013
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-Alex_Milows
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-ht
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XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Norm, ht, Alex_Milows, [IPcaller], jf_2013
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/29-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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