15:01:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc
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15:02:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:02:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 73394 ←
15:02:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago ←
15:02:03 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:02:03 <trackbot> Date: 27 June 2012
15:02:09 <MacTed> Zakim, this is 73394
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, this is 73394 ←
15:02:09 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, MacTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM ←
15:02:14 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], OpenLink_Software, AlexHall, ??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], OpenLink_Software, AlexHall, ??P18 ←
15:02:23 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, swh, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, davidwood, LeeF, cygri, danbri, yvesr, manu1, manu, NickH, gkellogg, sandro, trackbot, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, swh, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, davidwood, LeeF, cygri, danbri, yvesr, manu1, manu, NickH, gkellogg, sandro, trackbot, ericP ←
15:02:26 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:02:27 <AZ> zakim, ??P18 is me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, ??P18 is me ←
15:02:27 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
15:02:27 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P18 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P18 is me ←
15:02:28 <Guus> zakim, 31.20 is me
Guus Schreiber: zakim, 31.20 is me ←
15:02:31 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:02:35 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:02:37 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
15:02:42 <Zakim> I already had ??P18 as AZ, yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P18 as AZ, yvesr ←
15:02:42 <yvesr> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Yves Raimond: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:43 <Zakim> sorry, Guus, I do not recognize a party named '31.20'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Guus, I do not recognize a party named '31.20' ←
15:02:52 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is Guus
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aaaa is Guus ←
15:02:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], MacTed (muted), AlexHall, AZ, ??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], MacTed (muted), AlexHall, AZ, ??P17 ←
15:02:56 <Guus> zakim, +31.20 is me
Guus Schreiber: zakim, +31.20 is me ←
15:02:57 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
15:02:58 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P17 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P17 is me ←
15:02:59 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
15:03:04 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus; got it ←
15:03:07 <Zakim> sorry, Guus, I do not recognize a party named '+31.20'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Guus, I do not recognize a party named '+31.20' ←
15:03:09 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
15:03:12 <gkellogg> zakim, ??P12 is me
Gregg Kellogg: zakim, ??P12 is me ←
15:03:17 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gkellogg; got it ←
15:03:21 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas ←
15:03:22 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me ←
15:03:25 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:03:27 <Zakim> +bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland ←
15:03:32 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:03:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus, [IBM], MacTed (muted), AlexHall, AZ, yvesr, sandro, gkellogg, cygri, bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus, [IBM], MacTed (muted), AlexHall, AZ, yvesr, sandro, gkellogg, cygri, bhyland ←
15:03:34 <davidwood> Zakim, bhyland is me
David Wood: Zakim, bhyland is me ←
15:03:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, swh, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, davidwood, LeeF, cygri, danbri, yvesr, manu1, manu, NickH, gkellogg, sandro, trackbot, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, AlexHall, AZ, pfps, swh, gavinc, Guus, MacTed, davidwood, LeeF, cygri, danbri, yvesr, manu1, manu, NickH, gkellogg, sandro, trackbot, ericP ←
15:03:38 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood; got it ←
15:03:58 <Zakim> +??P28
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28 ←
15:04:01 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P28
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P28 ←
15:04:01 <Zakim> +manu1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu1; got it ←
15:05:59 <zwu2> zakim, code?
15:05:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2 ←
15:06:11 <Zakim> +gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc ←
15:06:47 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:06:56 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
15:06:56 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
15:07:42 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:07:42 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:07:53 <manu1> scribenick: manu1
(Scribe set to Manu Sporny)
15:07:57 <Zakim> +??P33
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33 ←
15:08:09 <ericP> Zakim, ??P33 is me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, ??P33 is me ←
15:08:09 <Zakim> +ericP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP; got it ←
15:08:25 <manu1> Topic: Minutes from Last week
15:08:35 <manu1> Guus: Propose to accept minutes from last week.
Guus Schreiber: Propose to accept minutes from last week. ←
15:08:40 <manu1> No objections.
No objections. ←
15:08:49 <pfps> Minutes look fine.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Minutes look fine. ←
15:09:42 <manu1> RESOLVED: Accept minutes from June 20th 2012 telecon.
RESOLVED: Accept minutes from June 20th 2012 telecon. ←
15:09:52 <manu1> Topic: Action Items
15:10:02 <manu1> Guus: One pending review from Andy - predicate-object list
Guus Schreiber: One pending review from Andy - predicate-object list ←
15:10:07 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
15:10:33 <manu1> Ericp: I thought we were going to allow an arbitrary number of semicolons... Andy's contribution only allows up to one semicolon.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I thought we were going to allow an arbitrary number of semicolons... Andy's contribution only allows up to one semicolon. ←
15:10:37 <manu1> Guus: The action has been done.
Guus Schreiber: The action has been done. ←
15:11:02 <manu1> Guus: Any other actions that should be closed that are currently open? 10 actions open.
Guus Schreiber: Any other actions that should be closed that are currently open? 10 actions open. ←
15:11:12 <manu1> Guus: Let's continue.
Guus Schreiber: Let's continue. ←
15:11:16 <manu1> Topic: Next Meeting
15:11:31 <manu1> Guus: Next telecon is July 11th 2012... the rest of the telecons are in the Agenda
Guus Schreiber: Next telecon is July 11th 2012... the rest of the telecons are in the Agenda ←
15:11:43 <manu1> Guus: From 5 september on, we continue w/ weekly schedule.
Guus Schreiber: From 5 september on, we continue w/ weekly schedule. ←
15:12:11 <manu1> Guus: The next face-to-face - proposal is to do it at TPAC - October 29th - November 3rd 2012 in Lyon, France. The link to TPAC is in the Agenda.
Guus Schreiber: The next face-to-face - proposal is to do it at TPAC - October 29th - November 3rd 2012 in Lyon, France. The link to TPAC is in the Agenda. ←
15:12:18 <manu1> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.27
15:12:54 <manu1> Guus: The face-to-face will be used to coordinate on the documents and other groups, like the Linked Data Group...
Guus Schreiber: The face-to-face will be used to coordinate on the documents and other groups, like the Linked Data Group... ←
15:12:56 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:13:49 <manu1> Guus: There are only rooms available on the Thursday or Friday - limited options for us. Proposal is to meet on the Thursday/Friday. ISWC is 11th-15th of November, that may be a possibility?
Guus Schreiber: There are only rooms available on the Thursday or Friday - limited options for us. Proposal is to meet on the Thursday/Friday. ISWC is 11th-15th of November, that may be a possibility? ←
15:14:13 <manu1> Sandro: That's in Boston, Cambridge - ISWC is, that is.
David Wood: That's in Boston, Cambridge - ISWC is, that is. ←
15:14:18 <AZ> +1 to TPAC
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 to TPAC ←
15:14:20 <manu1> Guus: Sounds like folks are okay w/ meeting at TPAC.
Guus Schreiber: meeting at TPAC/ meeting at TPAC. ←
15:14:24 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
15:14:34 <pchampin> zakim, ??P2 is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P2 is me ←
15:14:34 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it ←
15:14:36 <sandro> +1 TPAC
Sandro Hawke: +1 TPAC ←
15:14:39 <cygri> +0.5 TPAC
Richard Cyganiak: +0.5 TPAC ←
15:14:43 <gavinc> -0 TPAC
Gavin Carothers: -0 TPAC ←
15:14:44 <sandro> s/Sandro/DavidWood/
15:14:49 <pchampin> +1 TPAC
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 TPAC ←
15:14:50 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:14:51 <manu1> s/Sounds like folks are okay w/ meeting at TPAC/Let's see if people are okay with TPAC/
15:14:53 <gkellogg> +0 TPAC
Gregg Kellogg: +0 TPAC ←
15:14:54 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:14:55 <zwu2> -0 TPAC
15:14:58 <LeeF> 0
Lee Feigenbaum: 0 ←
15:15:05 <MacTed> +0 (won't be there, won't block)
Ted Thibodeau: +0 (won't be there, won't block) ←
15:15:06 <LeeF> (I won't make it to TPAC)
Lee Feigenbaum: (I won't make it to TPAC) ←
15:15:10 <Souri> Are we planning to have a video conference for folks near Boston?
Souripriya Das: Are we planning to have a video conference for folks near Boston? ←
15:15:15 <pfps> I won't be there - conflict with Dagstuhl ontology seminar.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I won't be there - conflict with Dagstuhl ontology seminar. ←
15:15:20 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:15:29 <Souri> +0
Souripriya Das: +0 ←
15:15:45 <manu1> Guus: Preliminary decision could be made - see who says they will be there based on that.
Guus Schreiber: Preliminary decision could be made - see who says they will be there based on that. ←
15:15:47 <sandro> we can probably webcam but no fancy vid conf, and probably no room at MIT.
Sandro Hawke: we can probably webcam but no fancy vid conf, and probably no room at MIT. ←
15:16:12 <manu1> Sandro: Don't know if TPAC has the bandwidth to do video
Sandro Hawke: Don't know if TPAC has the bandwidth to do video ←
15:16:15 <gavinc> -1 if TPAC does not have video
Gavin Carothers: -1 if TPAC does not have video ←
15:16:18 <manu1> Guus: It may be voice-only
Guus Schreiber: It may be voice-only ←
15:16:26 <LeeF> In the past, TPAC has not been able to do video conf
Lee Feigenbaum: In the past, TPAC has not been able to do video conf ←
15:16:45 <manu1> Gavin: Everyone is welcome to meet in my living room.
Gavin Carothers: Would prefer video. ←
15:17:02 <manu1> s/Everyone is welcome to meet in my living room/Would prefer video/
15:17:12 <zwu2> Gavin, I am happy to join you in your home office
Zhe Wu: Gavin, I am happy to join you in your home office ←
15:17:15 <zwu2> :)
15:17:29 <manu1> Guus: We need to do a preliminary reservation at TPAC...
Guus Schreiber: We need to do a preliminary reservation at TPAC... ←
15:17:36 <manu1> Sandro: Want other options on the table?
Sandro Hawke: Want other options on the table? ←
15:17:44 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
15:17:51 <manu1> Guus: Boston ISWC might work, but don't know how many folks from here would attend.
Guus Schreiber: Boston ISWC might work, but don't know how many folks from here would attend. ←
15:17:52 <pchampin> I will try to see what is possible in Lyon in terms if video conference
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I will try to see what is possible in Lyon in terms if video conference ←
15:18:05 <manu1> Sandro: We could do a split meeting - Boston, ISWC and somewhere else with good video conferencing.
Sandro Hawke: We could do a split meeting - Boston, ISWC and somewhere else with good video conferencing. ←
15:18:32 <manu1> EricP: HP could do it - but they don't play that game anymore.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: HP could do it - but they don't play that game anymore. ←
15:18:34 <LeeF> Oxford, yes
Lee Feigenbaum: Oxford, yes ←
15:18:50 <yvesr> we do have proper video conferencing facilities at the BBC, but the rooms are way too small
Yves Raimond: we do have proper video conferencing facilities at the BBC, but the rooms are way too small ←
15:19:21 <manu1> cygri: We used to have a polycom system... but it broke and we decided not to replace it because it was used very rarely (ed: like all Polycom systems!)
Richard Cyganiak: We used to have a polycom system... but it broke and we decided not to replace it because it was used very rarely (ed: like all Polycom systems!) ←
15:20:56 <manu1> sandro: Weird to have no semantic web representation at TPAC - this has been dead-quiet since ISWC conflicted with it... a general issue - not taking advantage of a good opportunity. Linked Data group is planning to meet at ISWC?
Sandro Hawke: Weird to have no semantic web representation at TPAC - this has been dead-quiet since ISWC conflicted with it... a general issue - not taking advantage of a good opportunity. Linked Data group is planning to meet at ISWC? ←
15:21:01 <manu1> EricP: Yes, they are.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Yes, they are. ←
15:21:14 <manu1> Guus: Provenance at ISWC too?
Guus Schreiber: Provenance at ISWC too? ←
15:21:21 <manu1> Sandro: Yes, entirely an academic group.
Sandro Hawke: Yes, almost entirely an academic group. ←
15:21:26 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
15:21:36 <sandro> s/entirely/almost entirely/
15:21:43 <manu1> Guus: Let's setup a poll for the two options.
Guus Schreiber: Let's setup a poll for the two options. ←
15:22:16 <manu1> EricP: Odds are pretty good that we'll end up meeting at TPAC.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Odds are pretty good that we'll end up meeting at TPAC. ←
15:22:37 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:24:11 <manu1> Guus: I'll setup a poll - we'll decide on July 11th based on the information we have.
Guus Schreiber: I'll setup a poll - we'll decide on July 11th based on the information we have. ←
15:24:30 <pfps> Go for it!
Peter Patel-Schneider: Go for it! ←
15:24:31 <manu1> Guus: Two options - TPAC vs. ISWC Cage Match.
Guus Schreiber: Two options - TPAC vs. ISWC Cage Match. ←
15:24:49 <manu1> ACTION: Guus to setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F.
ACTION: Guus to setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F. ←
15:24:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-176 - Setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F. [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-07-04].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-176 - Setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F. [on Guus Schreiber - due 2012-07-04]. ←
15:25:11 <manu1> Topic: TURTLE Last Call
15:25:28 <manu1> Guus: There was a message from Gavin - there is a new ED
Guus Schreiber: There was a message from Gavin - there is a new ED ←
15:25:31 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
15:25:34 <Zakim> +LeeF.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF.a ←
15:25:44 <manu1> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html ←
15:25:48 <manu1> Guus: Is this ready to go?
Guus Schreiber: Is this ready to go? ←
15:25:56 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:26:02 <manu1> Gavin: Yes, ready to go - minor editorial issues including parenthesis.
Gavin Carothers: Yes, ready to go - minor editorial issues including parenthesis. ←
15:26:18 <manu1> EricP: If we want a moment to publish i- s- k- f- ha-
Eric Prud'hommeaux: If we want a moment to publish i- s- k- f- ha- ←
15:26:38 <manu1> EricP: We should list the changes that we intend to make before publishing.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: We should list the changes that we intend to make before publishing. ←
15:26:47 <manu1> Guus: In the Agenda, there is a proposal to publish.
Guus Schreiber: In the Agenda, there is a proposal to publish. ←
15:26:51 <cygri> q+ to say would like to have the "Spïdermann"@de example changed
Richard Cyganiak: q+ to say would like to have the "Spïdermann"@de example changed ←
15:26:57 <gavinc> 1. Fix remaining undetected broken links 2. Fix one missing set of ()s
Gavin Carothers: 1. Fix remaining undetected broken links 2. Fix one missing set of ()s ←
15:27:34 <manu1> ack MacTed
ack MacTed ←
15:27:48 <manu1> MacTed: Small thing - based on Ivan's feedback - a plea for Oxford commas.
Ted Thibodeau: Small thing - based on Ivan's feedback - a plea for Oxford commas. ←
15:27:58 <pfps> +1, for, Oxford, commas!
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1, for, Oxford, commas! ←
15:28:03 <sandro> +1 oxford commas. (eats, shoots, and leaves)
Sandro Hawke: +1 oxford commas. (eats, shoots, and leaves) ←
15:28:56 <manu1> gavinc: Totally agreed, I'll make the change.
Gavin Carothers: Totally agreed, I'll make the change. ←
15:29:10 <Guus> ack cygri
Guus Schreiber: ack cygri ←
15:29:10 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to say would like to have the "Spïdermann"@de example changed
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to say would like to have the "Spïdermann"@de example changed ←
15:29:43 <cygri> "Человек-паук"@ru
Richard Cyganiak: "Человек-паук"@ru ←
15:29:47 <manu1> cygri: To show multi-lingual features, the German rendition of the word is wrong - the letters don't exist in German...
Richard Cyganiak: To show multi-lingual features, the German rendition of the word is wrong - the letters don't exist in German... ←
15:30:19 <manu1> cygri: Maybe we should use something different like Spiderman in Cyrillic?
Richard Cyganiak: Maybe we should use something different like Spiderman in Cyrillic? ←
15:30:34 <manu1> Guus: Any more commas?
Guus Schreiber: Any more comments? ←
15:30:38 <manu1> s/commas/comments/
15:31:26 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Publish the current version of the TURTLE Editors Draft as a Last Call Working Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html
PROPOSED: Publish the current version of the TURTLE Editors Draft as a Last Call Working Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html ←
15:31:31 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:31:33 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:31:33 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:31:33 <manu1> +1
+1 ←
15:31:34 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
15:31:35 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
15:31:36 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:31:37 <pfps> +1
15:31:39 <AlexHall> +1
15:31:40 <davidwood> AndyS voted +1 via email
David Wood: AndyS voted +1 via email ←
15:31:41 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:31:46 <zwu2> +1
15:31:49 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:31:49 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:32:17 <manu1> RESOLVED: Publish the current version of the TURTLE Editors Draft as a Last Call Working Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html
RESOLVED: Publish the current version of the TURTLE Editors Draft as a Last Call Working Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html ←
15:32:35 <gavinc> Now with Russian! http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-intro
Gavin Carothers: Now with Russian! http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-intro ←
15:32:43 <manu1> Round of applause and woos! for the editors.
Round of applause and woos! for the editors. ←
15:32:54 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
15:33:13 <Zakim> +??P32
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32 ←
15:33:18 <cygri> zakim, ??P32 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P32 is me ←
15:33:18 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:33:18 <manu1> Guus: The editor's should prepare a version which we can request publication for - last editorial issues, etc.
Guus Schreiber: The editor's should prepare a version which we can request publication for - last editorial issues, etc. ←
15:33:39 <manu1> Gavin: I'll make those changes now.
Gavin Carothers: I'll make those changes now. ←
15:34:22 <manu1> Gavin: Language but no change to the grammar on @prefix. Admissing parenthesis with one of the string productions.
Gavin Carothers: Language but no change to the grammar on @prefix. Admissing parenthesis with one of the string productions. ←
15:34:37 <ericP> "A"@base and "A"@prefix are UDF
Eric Prud'hommeaux: "A"@base and "A"@prefix undefined behavior ←
15:34:39 <manu1> EricP: Yes, one of the string productions has an issue with an OR...
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Yes, one of the string productions has an issue with an OR... ←
15:34:46 <manu1> Gavin: We need some more explanatory text.
Gavin Carothers: We need some more explanatory text. ←
15:34:58 <manu1> EricP: IRI ref term constructor is wonky, will need to fix...
Eric Prud'hommeaux: IRI ref term constructor is wonky, will need to fix... ←
15:35:02 <manu1> Gavin: I think I fixed that.
Gavin Carothers: I think I fixed that. ←
15:35:05 <ericP> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals ←
15:35:15 <manu1> EricP: TURTLE literals ...
Eric Prud'hommeaux: TURTLE literals ... ←
15:35:30 <manu1> Gavin: Slightly larger change - not happy with the language you wrote?
Gavin Carothers: Slightly larger change - not happy with the language you wrote? ←
15:35:39 <manu1> EricP: It mis-leads a little bit, it may be fine.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: It mis-leads a little bit, it may be fine. ←
15:36:04 <manu1> Gavin: It goes through how Literals work w/ quotation marks... and then states that you can replace it with single quotes, double quotes, triple quotes.
Gavin Carothers: It goes through how Literals work w/ quotation marks... and then states that you can replace it with single quotes, double quotes, triple quotes. ←
15:36:14 <manu1> EricP: Well, I have some other text that may be more clear.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Well, I have some other text that may be more clear. ←
15:36:19 <manu1> Gavin: That sounds fine...
Gavin Carothers: That sounds fine... ←
15:37:02 <ericP> s/are UDF/undefined behavior/
15:37:03 <manu1> Guus: David will write a blog item on this... we need to notify relevant mailing lists on this publication.
Guus Schreiber: David will write a blog item on this... we need to notify relevant mailing lists on this publication. ←
15:37:22 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
15:37:38 <gavinc> +q to ask about LC comment window
Gavin Carothers: +q to ask about LC comment window ←
15:37:40 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
15:37:46 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas ←
15:37:51 <manu1> David: MInutes need to be published and final version needs to be published.
David Wood: MInutes need to be published and final version needs to be published. ←
15:37:56 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me ←
15:37:57 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:38:04 <gavinc> I made up The Last Call period ends 15 September 2012
Gavin Carothers: I made up The Last Call period ends 15 September 2012 ←
15:38:09 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:38:11 <manu1> Guus: I propose we have the regular period of 6 weeks for the Last Call period.
Guus Schreiber: I propose we have the regular period of 6 weeks for the Last Call period. ←
15:38:25 <manu1> Guus: That's 2.5 months...
Guus Schreiber: That's 2.5 months... ←
15:38:43 <manu1> EricP: Are we in a rush?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Are we in a rush? ←
15:39:34 <manu1> Discussion about "maximizing the quality of incoming comments".
Discussion about "maximizing the quality of incoming comments". ←
15:40:01 <manu1> Guus: 15th of september, any objections from the WG?
Guus Schreiber: 15th of september, any objections from the WG? ←
15:40:05 <MacTed> +1 Sept 15
Ted Thibodeau: +1 Sept 15 ←
15:40:16 <manu1> +1 for September 15th, 2012.
+1 for September 15th, 2012. ←
15:40:23 <gavinc> +1 to 2012
Gavin Carothers: +1 to 2012 ←
15:41:50 <manu1> Guus: Every comment during LC should raise an issue in the issue tracker - editorial issues can be responded to quickly, anything that is non-editorial should be discussed by the group before the response.
Guus Schreiber: Every comment during LC should raise an issue in the issue tracker - editorial issues can be responded to quickly, anything that is non-editorial should be discussed by the group before the response. ←
15:43:18 <manu1> manu: May be easier to create a new TURTLE LC product in the issue tracker.
Manu Sporny: May be easier to create a new TURTLE LC product in the issue tracker. ←
15:43:24 <manu1> Guus: Let's keep it simple for now.
Guus Schreiber: Let's keep it simple for now. ←
15:43:57 <manu1> Guus: One feature at-risk in the document - David would it be appropriate to point out a particular feature at risk?
Guus Schreiber: One feature at-risk in the document - David would it be appropriate to point out a particular feature at risk? ←
15:44:12 <manu1> David: Who should we send this to? What other communities would be interested in this document.
David Wood: Who should we send this to? What other communities would be interested in this document. ←
15:44:32 <manu1> Sandro: We need to mention any other WG in our charter - chairs should negotiate w/ external groups
Sandro Hawke: We need to mention any other WG in our charter - chairs should negotiate w/ external groups ←
15:44:48 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/01/rdf-wg-charter#coordination
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/01/rdf-wg-charter#coordination ←
15:45:26 <manu1> Sandro: SPARQL, I18N, RDFa WG, Web Apps WG, XML Query WG
Sandro Hawke: SPARQL, I18N, RDFa WG, Web Apps WG, XML Query WG ←
15:45:42 <manu1> Guus: Linked Data and Provenance WGs should also do a review.
Guus Schreiber: Linked Data and Provenance WGs should also do a review. ←
15:46:21 <manu1> Guus: IETF IRI WG may also be interested.
Guus Schreiber: IETF IRI WG may also be interested. ←
15:46:56 <manu1> Guus: I think that's it - we'll have to come back if one of these groups can't do their review.
Guus Schreiber: I think that's it - we'll have to come back if one of these groups can't do their review. ←
15:47:30 <manu1> Sandro: I think EricP can handle publication steps...
Sandro Hawke: I think EricP can handle publication steps... ←
15:47:51 <manu1> Guus: That's it for TURTLE LC
Guus Schreiber: That's it for TURTLE LC ←
15:48:10 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)
15:48:11 <manu1> Topic: JSON-LD First Public Working Draft
15:48:31 <ericP> Guus: there have been WG comments on the proposed draft
Guus Schreiber: there have been WG comments on the proposed draft ←
15:48:34 <manu1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html
Manu Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html ←
15:49:00 <ericP> manu: since the last meeting, we've had comments from pierre antoine, ericP, andyS
Manu Sporny: since the last meeting, we've had comments from pierre antoine, ericP, andyS ←
15:49:16 <ericP> ... we've applied as many as possible without risking large discussion
... we've applied as many as possible without risking large discussion ←
15:49:34 <ericP> ... the commentors have recieved replies for their comments
... the commentors have recieved replies for their comments ←
15:49:43 <gavinc> "JSON-LD has no equivalent for the Turtle @base declaration. Instead, authors may use a prefix definition to resolve relative IRIs:" That is NOT true. ... note to self, review JSON-LD
Gavin Carothers: "JSON-LD has no equivalent for the Turtle @base declaration. Instead, authors may use a prefix definition to resolve relative IRIs:" That is NOT true. ... note to self, review JSON-LD ←
15:49:49 <ericP> ... we got more this week, but put them off for post-FPWD
... we got more this week, but put them off for post-FPWD ←
15:50:01 <ericP> ... CG is a last stage
... CG is a last stage ←
15:50:24 <ericP> ... the W3C tool for gathering IPR commitments was broken untill 8am
... the W3C tool for gathering IPR commitments was broken untill 8am ←
15:50:36 <ericP> ... we probably won't have the commitments for another week
... we probably won't have the commitments for another week ←
15:51:16 <ericP> ... the CG work is frozen, as is the (proposed) FPWD
... the CG work is frozen, as is the (proposed) FPWD ←
15:51:51 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
15:51:51 <ericP> ... we could publish both by 12 July if we get the anticipated IPR commitments
... we could publish both by 12 July if we get the anticipated IPR commitments ←
15:51:55 <gavinc> ack me
Gavin Carothers: ack me ←
15:51:55 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to ask about LC comment window
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to ask about LC comment window ←
15:51:58 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
15:51:59 <manu1> Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date.
Manu Sporny: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. ←
15:52:31 <ericP> gkellogg: all core contributors have signed commitments
Gregg Kellogg: all core contributors have signed commitments ←
15:52:35 <gkellogg> http://www.w3.org/community/json-ld/spec/23/commitments
Gregg Kellogg: http://www.w3.org/community/json-ld/spec/23/commitments ←
15:52:53 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
15:53:08 <ericP> manu: there's a diff between announcing a commitment in the mailing list and the w3c commitment machine
Manu Sporny: there's a diff between announcing a commitment in the mailing list and the w3c commitment machine ←
15:53:34 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:53:48 <zwu2> sorry my phone keeps cutting me off once every 15 minutes
Zhe Wu: sorry my phone keeps cutting me off once every 15 minutes ←
15:55:22 <Zakim> -[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IBM] ←
15:56:10 <Souri> (if I may suggest) minor editorial change => replace "manu" with "john" AND "sporny" with "dow" and replace any other reference to a real person name with a hypothetical one
Souripriya Das: (if I may suggest) minor editorial change => replace "manu" with "john" AND "sporny" with "dow" and replace any other reference to a real person name with a hypothetical one ←
15:57:10 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. c.f.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html
PROPOSED: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. c.f.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html ←
15:57:13 <ericP> +1
+1 ←
15:57:14 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:57:18 <manu1> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
15:57:21 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:57:23 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:57:29 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:57:35 <gavinc> +0.9
Gavin Carothers: +0.9 ←
15:57:50 <AlexHall> +1
15:57:52 <zwu2> +1
15:57:54 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:57:58 <sandro> +0 (just haven't reviewed it)
Sandro Hawke: +0 (just haven't reviewed it) ←
15:58:13 <manu1> RESOLVED: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. c.f.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html
RESOLVED: Publish the JSON-LD Syntax 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-syntax) and JSON-LD API 1.0 (shortname: json-ld-api) as First Public Working Drafts on July 12th, 2012 with the caveat that publication will not occur if the proper Community Group IPR commitments are not made before that date. c.f.: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0117.html ←
15:58:50 <ericP> Guus: thanks to the community group for bringing this to the RDF-WG and making it available as a FPWD
Guus Schreiber: thanks to the community group for bringing this to the RDF-WG and making it available as a FPWD ←
15:58:55 <Souri> q+
Souripriya Das: q+ ←
15:59:00 <gkellogg> q-
Gregg Kellogg: q- ←
15:59:25 <ericP> manu: after i get IPR commitments, i'll send them to RDF-WG and document any issues i see
Manu Sporny: after i get IPR commitments, i'll send them to RDF-WG and document any issues i see ←
15:59:59 <ericP> ... then i'll sheperd them through pubrules
... then i'll sheperd them through pubrules ←
16:00:33 <ericP> Souri: as with RDB2RDF, should you avoid names of real people in specs?
Souripriya Das: as with RDB2RDF, should you avoid names of real people in specs? ←
16:00:47 <gavinc> -0 to changing the Turtle parsing example
Gavin Carothers: -0 to changing the Turtle parsing example ←
16:01:14 <ericP> sandro: it's not written, but it tends not to translate across cultures
Sandro Hawke: it's not written, but it tends not to translate across cultures ←
16:02:42 <Souri> "John Dow"
Souripriya Das: "John Dow" ←
16:02:57 <sandro> only reference I can find is http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Examples which doesn't say anything about this.
Sandro Hawke: only reference I can find is http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Examples which doesn't say anything about this. ←
16:03:00 <ericP> manu: almost any name will be somebody's name
Manu Sporny: almost any name will be somebody's name ←
16:03:18 <ericP> ... also is less personal
... also is less personal ←
16:05:09 <ericP> ADJOURNED
ADJOURNED ←
16:05:12 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
16:05:12 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:05:14 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
16:05:16 <Zakim> -manu1
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu1 ←
16:05:17 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
16:05:21 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
16:05:29 <Zakim> -AlexHall
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexHall ←
16:05:32 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
16:05:39 <Zakim> -davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←
16:05:45 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
16:05:47 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
16:05:58 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
16:06:02 <MacTed> remember, kids -- always ask for Spider-Man™ brand RDF by name!
Ted Thibodeau: remember, kids -- always ask for Spider-Man™ brand RDF by name! ←
16:06:04 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
16:06:04 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:06:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], AlexHall, MacTed, AZ, sandro, Guus, yvesr, gkellogg, cygri, davidwood, manu1, gavinc, zwu2, ericP, Souri, LeeF,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +31.20.598.aaaa, [IBM], AlexHall, MacTed, AZ, sandro, Guus, yvesr, gkellogg, cygri, davidwood, manu1, gavinc, zwu2, ericP, Souri, LeeF, ←
16:06:08 <Zakim> ... pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: ... pchampin ←
16:06:10 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
16:06:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:06:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:06:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:06:13 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
16:06:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F. [1]
ACTION: Guus to setup a poll for the next RDF WG F2F. [1] ←
16:06:13 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc#T15-24-49
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc#T15-24-49 ←
16:10:49 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-rdf-wg-irc ←
16:10:51 <manu1> rrsagent, make logs public
Manu Sporny: rrsagent, make logs public ←
16:10:58 <manu1> rrsagent, bye
Manu Sporny: rrsagent, bye ←
16:10:58 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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