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14:04:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:04:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:04:01 <trackbot> Date: 08 July 2013
14:04:05 <JohnArwe> zakim, aaaa is roger
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14:04:05 <Zakim> +roger; got it
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14:04:07 <Zakim> +SteveBattle
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14:04:12 <mielvds> zakim, +329331aabb is me
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14:04:12 <Zakim> +mielvds; got it
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14:04:44 <Arnaud> zakim, IPcaller is me
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14:04:44 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
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14:05:40 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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14:05:51 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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14:05:51 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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14:05:53 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:05:53 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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14:05:58 <Arnaud> yves?
Arnaud Le Hors: yves? ←
14:06:16 <SteveS> scribe: SteveS
(Scribe set to Steve Speicher)
<steves> chair: Arnaud
<steves> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.07.08
14:06:52 <SteveS> Topic: Approve minutes from July 1st
14:07:16 <SteveS> Arnaud: hearing no objections to approve minutes
Arnaud Le Hors: hearing no objections to approve minutes ←
14:07:20 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
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14:07:30 <ericP> Zakim, [GVoice] is me
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14:07:30 <Zakim> +ericP; got it
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14:07:40 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Approved minutes from July 1st
RESOLVED: Approved minutes from July 1st ←
14:07:40 <Zakim> +??P30
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14:07:54 <SteveS> Topic: Update on actions
14:08:20 <SteveS> subTopic: ACTION-73 have questions
14:08:25 <SteveS> ACTION-73?
14:08:25 <trackbot> ACTION-73 -- Arnaud Le Hors to [EDITOR] Update spec to reflect resolution on HTTP OPTIONS -- due 2013-06-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-73 -- Arnaud Le Hors to [EDITOR] Update spec to reflect resolution on HTTP OPTIONS -- due 2013-06-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
14:08:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/73
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/73 ←
14:08:37 <SteveS> JohnArwe: not sure what the editorial changes were
John Arwe: not sure what the editorial changes were ←
14:09:35 <SteveS> Arnaud: believe we need to make another change
Arnaud Le Hors: believe we need to make another change ←
14:09:56 <Zakim> +Kalpa
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14:10:25 <TallTed> where's the resolution in question? actions without clear link to whatever they're based on are hard to usefully review/follow...
Ted Thibodeau: where's the resolution in question? actions without clear link to whatever they're based on are hard to usefully review/follow... ←
14:10:48 <SteveS> SteveS: added it under paging, just the options support for first page
Steve Speicher: added it under paging, just the options support for first page ←
14:11:38 <SteveS> JohnArwe: couldn't find what editorial changes were needed based on following ACTION-73 to ISSUE-32 and what the changes for HTTP OPTIONS was intended
John Arwe: couldn't find what editorial changes were needed based on following ACTION-73 to ISSUE-32 and what the changes for HTTP OPTIONS was intended ←
14:11:59 <Arnaud> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-06-18#resolution_2
Arnaud Le Hors: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-06-18#resolution_2 ←
14:12:22 <SteveS> JohnArwe: will take ACTION-73 out of pending review to open to make the changes
John Arwe: will take ACTION-73 out of pending review to open to make the changes ←
14:12:57 <mielvds> did we decide throwing out HEAD then?
Miel Vander Sande: did we decide throwing out HEAD then? ←
14:13:33 <SteveS> Arnaud: ACTION-72 and ACTION-86 are pending review as changes are done
Arnaud Le Hors: ACTION-72 and ACTION-86 are pending review as changes are done ←
14:13:47 <SteveS> Arnaud: no changes to HEAD, OPTIONS is added
Arnaud Le Hors: no changes to HEAD, OPTIONS is added ←
14:15:29 <SteveS> mielvds: believes we discussed changing HEAD from a MUST to a SHOULD, now that OPTIONS is a MUST
Miel Vander Sande: believes we discussed changing HEAD from a MUST to a SHOULD, now that OPTIONS is a MUST ←
14:16:31 <SteveS> JohnArwe: can close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86
John Arwe: can close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86 ←
14:17:08 <SteveS> …but was looking for inferencing wording example where we don't need to put explicit in content that a LDPC is an LDPR
…but was looking for inferencing wording example where we don't need to put explicit in content that a LDPC is an LDPR ←
14:17:17 <Yves> I can't see why someone would want to avoid doing HEAD
Yves Lafon: I can't see why someone would want to avoid doing HEAD ←
14:17:30 <TallTed> please repeat, ericP, you were breaking up
Ted Thibodeau: please repeat, ericP, you were breaking up ←
14:18:02 <SteveS> Yves, I think that is what we concluded in Madrid…why avoid, you need to do GET anyway and there are so few MUSTs
Yves, I think that is what we concluded in Madrid…why avoid, you need to do GET anyway and there are so few MUSTs ←
14:18:52 <SteveS> ericP: believes it would be good to have the statement be that all knows facts should be included in the rep
Eric Prud'hommeaux: believes it would be good to have the statement be that all knows facts should be included in the rep ←
14:18:55 <Yves> SteveS, also SHOULD is not a MAY, but still testing all the MUSTs will give a free win for this one
Yves Lafon: SteveS, also SHOULD is not a MAY, but still testing all the MUSTs will give a free win for this one ←
14:20:03 <ericP> don't: <p1> rdfs:subPredicateOf rdfs:membershipPredicate . <C> <p1> <item1>, <item2> .
Eric Prud'hommeaux: don't: <p1> rdfs:subPredicateOf rdfs:membershipPredicate . <C> <p1> <item1>, <item2> . ←
14:20:27 <JohnArwe> ericp: normative text in draft is 4.1.13 LDPR servers MUST NOT require LDP clients to implement inferencing in order to recognize the subset of content defined by LDP. Other specifications built on top of LDP MAY require clients to implement inferencing. The practical implication is that all content defined by LDP must be explicitly represented.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: normative text in draft is 4.1.13 LDPR servers MUST NOT require LDP clients to implement inferencing in order to recognize the subset of content defined by LDP. Other specifications built on top of LDP MAY require clients to implement inferencing. The practical implication is that all content defined by LDP must be explicitly represented. [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:20:44 <JohnArwe> ...was looking for simple (counter-) example to add to that.
John Arwe: ...was looking for simple (counter-) example to add to that. ←
14:20:46 <SteveS> Arnaud: PROPOSE to close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86
Arnaud Le Hors: PROPOSE to close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86 ←
14:20:51 <stevebattle4> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
14:21:00 <stevebattle4> :)
Steve Battle: :) ←
14:21:01 <SteveS> +1
+1 ←
14:21:01 <mielvds> +1
Miel Vander Sande: +1 ←
14:21:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
14:21:16 <TallTed> +0
Ted Thibodeau: +0 ←
14:21:24 <Arnaud> Resolved: close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86
RESOLVED: close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86 ←
14:21:58 <SteveS> Arnaud: Update from the editors?
Arnaud Le Hors: Update from the editors? ←
14:22:08 <stevebattle4> We still need those UC&R reviews (you know who you are).
Steve Battle: We still need those UC&R reviews (you know who you are). ←
14:22:31 <SteveS> …can we have all edits done by next Monday (July 15)?
…can we have all edits done by next Monday (July 15)? ←
14:22:38 <SteveS> SteveS: yes
Steve Speicher: yes ←
14:22:41 <SteveS> JohnArwe: yes
14:23:08 <SteveS> Arnaud: all WG members should have their review glasses ready on July 15th
Arnaud Le Hors: all WG members should have their review glasses ready on July 15th ←
14:23:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:23:23 <cody> Zakim, IPcaller is me
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14:23:23 <Zakim> +cody; got it
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14:23:28 <SteveS> Arnaud: hearing no issues with this proposed schedule
Arnaud Le Hors: hearing no issues with this proposed schedule ←
14:23:44 <stevebattle4> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
14:23:48 <SteveS> Topic: Other status reports
14:23:49 <JohnArwe> I should also note, on action-80, the spec update (remove 4.1.5) is done. Action is still open for the "add to BP" part.
John Arwe: I should also note, on ACTION-80, the spec update (remove 4.1.5) is done. Action is still open for the "add to BP" part. ←
14:23:56 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
14:24:38 <SteveS> stevebattle4: Handling the various review comments, both making changes and providing feedback
Steve Battle: Handling the various review comments, both making changes and providing feedback ←
14:24:40 <JohnArwe> q+ to see if action-82 can be done in time to draft LC content
John Arwe: q+ to see if ACTION-82 can be done in time to draft LC content ←
14:25:01 <roger> +q
Roger Menday: +q ←
14:25:03 <Arnaud> ack john
Arnaud Le Hors: ack john ←
14:25:03 <Zakim> JohnArwe, you wanted to see if action-82 can be done in time to draft LC content
Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, you wanted to see if ACTION-82 can be done in time to draft LC content ←
14:25:31 <stevebattle4> It's the only way I can get all my work done :)
Steve Battle: It's the only way I can get all my work done :) ←
14:25:53 <SteveS> JohnArwe: wanted to see if we can move up GSP review on mielvds to fend off any LC issues
John Arwe: wanted to see if we can move up GSP review on mielvds to fend off any LC issues ←
14:26:39 <SteveS> mielvds: plans to get to it next week
Miel Vander Sande: plans to get to it next week ←
14:26:44 <JohnArwe> q+ to ask arnaud about process for LC comments
John Arwe: q+ to ask arnaud about process for LC comments ←
14:26:53 <Arnaud> ack roger
Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger ←
14:27:32 <SteveS> roger: Primer has taken the wiki and put in respec form and in the repo
Roger Menday: Primer has taken the wiki and put in respec form and in the repo ←
14:27:50 <SteveS> …looking to add feature to pick your own format
…looking to add feature to pick your own format ←
14:27:54 <Arnaud> ack john
Arnaud Le Hors: ack john ←
14:27:54 <Zakim> JohnArwe, you wanted to ask arnaud about process for LC comments
Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, you wanted to ask arnaud about process for LC comments ←
14:28:08 <SteveS> JohnArwe: How we are going to handle LC comments?
John Arwe: How we are going to handle LC comments? ←
14:28:43 <SteveS> ericP: we can setup a mailing list for comments
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we can setup a mailing list for comments ←
14:29:08 <SteveS> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/
https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/ ←
14:30:04 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org
ACTION: ericP to coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org ←
14:30:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-07-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-90 - Coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-07-15]. ←
14:30:32 <SteveS> Arnaud: any other topics?
Arnaud Le Hors: any other topics? ←
14:30:38 <SteveS> …hearing none
…hearing none ←
14:31:12 <mielvds> bye
Miel Vander Sande: bye ←
14:31:13 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
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14:31:14 <stevebattle4> bye
Steve Battle: bye ←
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14:31:15 <Zakim> -roger
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14:31:15 <Zakim> -Yves
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14:31:18 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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14:31:18 <Zakim> -cody
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14:31:18 <Zakim> -mielvds
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14:31:19 <Zakim> -Kalpa
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14:31:21 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting ←
14:31:21 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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14:31:21 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, SteveS, +44.208.5.aaaa, roger, SteveBattle, mielvds, Arnaud, TallTed, ericP, Yves, Kalpa, cody
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14:31:26 <Zakim> -ericP
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14:31:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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