<Arnaud> Present: Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, roger, mielvds1, nmihindu, pchampin, JohnArwe, Steves, krp, rgarcia, Yves
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13:54:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:54:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:54:08 <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2013
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14:00:43 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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14:00:49 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
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14:00:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, TallTed
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14:00:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, roger, mielvds1, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, betehess, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, thschee
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14:02:14 <bblfish> :-)
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14:02:21 <roger> zakim, i am aaaa
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14:05:46 <JohnArwe> scribe: miel
(Scribe set to Miel Vander Sande)
<mielvds1> Chair: Arnaud
<mielvds1> Topic: Admin
14:06:30 <bblfish> subTopic: Approval of minutes of previous meetings
14:06:53 <roger> a question on the back channel, for the F2F3 is it better to stay near the open middleware centre, or is it better to stay in town ?
Roger Menday: a question on the back channel, for the F2F3 is it better to stay near the open middleware centre, or is it better to stay in town ? ←
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<mielvds1> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-13
http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-13 ←
14:07:11 <mielvds1> Resolution: Minutes of may 13 approved
RESOLVED: Minutes of may 13 approved ←
14:07:17 <krp> zakim, ??P14 is me
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14:07:17 <Zakim> +krp; got it
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14:07:52 <bblfish> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.06.03
14:08:00 <nmihindu> roger, better stay close to downtown, in my opinion :)
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: roger, better stay close to downtown, in my opinion :) ←
<mielvds1> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-20
http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-20 ←
14:08:03 <mielvds1> Resolution: Minutes of may 20 approved
RESOLVED: Minutes of may 20 approved ←
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14:08:36 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P15 is me
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14:08:52 <mielvds1> subTopic: Next Face 2 Face
14:10:12 <mielvds1> Arnaud: By the end of June we need a spec that we can publish as Last Call. We will need to accept that some issues will be postponed
Arnaud Le Hors: By the end of June we need a spec that we can publish as Last Call. We will need to accept that some issues will be postponed ←
14:10:52 <mielvds1> Arnaud: We need to reach that target, because summer is coming. Not publishing before summer means big delay, which is bad
Arnaud Le Hors: We need to reach that target, because summer is coming. Not publishing before summer means big delay, which is bad ←
14:12:00 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I will do my best as chair to deliver the spec on time
Arnaud Le Hors: I will do my best as chair to deliver the spec on time ←
14:12:46 <mielvds1> Topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues
14:13:37 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I have posted a list of issues that I consider: at risk => they have no proposal
Arnaud Le Hors: I have posted a list of issues that I consider: at risk => they have no proposal ←
14:14:16 <mielvds1> Arnaud: if there are issues that are of interest to you, I strongly suggest you come with a proposal BEFORE the meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: if there are issues that are of interest to you, I strongly suggest you come with a proposal BEFORE the meeting ←
14:14:20 <nmihindu> Issues at risk -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0309.html
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Issues at risk -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0309.html ←
14:15:14 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I started using issues-pending-review to keep better track
Arnaud Le Hors: I started using issues-pending-review to keep better track ←
14:15:24 <mielvds1> subTopic: Actions
14:15:36 <bblfish> actions?
Henry Story: actions? ←
14:15:39 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:16:09 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/open
Henry Story: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/open ←
14:16:53 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I propose we close the 3 actions pending review
Arnaud Le Hors: I propose we close the 3 actions pending review ←
14:17:15 <mielvds1> Resolution: Close action 63, 64, 66
RESOLVED: Close ACTION-63, 64, 66 ←
14:18:23 <mielvds1> Arnaud: no other actions to close
Arnaud Le Hors: no other actions to close ←
14:18:27 <mielvds1> subTopic: Issues
14:19:09 <mielvds1> Arnaud: all issues pending reviews have a proposal, they can be discussed during face to face meeting. Let's spend time on raised issues.
Arnaud Le Hors: all issues pending reviews have a proposal, they can be discussed during face to face meeting. Let's spend time on raised issues. ←
14:19:44 <JohnArwe> actions 63, 64, 66 now closed in db
John Arwe: actions 63, 64, 66 now closed in db ←
14:19:51 <mielvds1> Arnaud: let's start with issue 74
Arnaud Le Hors: let's start with ISSUE-74 ←
14:20:25 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I propose top open it, objections?
Arnaud Le Hors: I propose top open it, objections? ←
14:20:39 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 74
14:21:16 <JohnArwe> arnaud - on 74 you resolved to open; was it also your intent to vote on the proposal today?
John Arwe: arnaud - on 74 you resolved to open; was it also your intent to vote on the proposal today? ←
14:21:47 <mielvds1> Arnaud: we might vote on 74 later, now raised issues
Arnaud Le Hors: we might vote on 74 later, now raised issues ←
14:21:47 <JohnArwe> ok... later, time permitting
John Arwe: ok... later, time permitting ←
14:21:56 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 77
14:23:37 <mielvds1> Arnaud: roger, still want to open issue 72?
Arnaud Le Hors: roger, still want to open ISSUE-72? ←
14:23:50 <mielvds1> roger: genuine hole in the spec
Roger Menday: genuine hole in the spec ←
14:23:59 <bblfish> I am ok with closing issue-76
Henry Story: I am ok with closing ISSUE-76 ←
14:24:03 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 72
14:24:24 <JohnArwe> regrets: serena, andy, sergio, steve battle
14:24:44 <TallTed> I'm having some trouble following along -- what is the sort order being used for discussion of raised issues?
Ted Thibodeau: I'm having some trouble following along -- what is the sort order being used for discussion of raised issues? ←
14:24:45 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:25:07 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:25:38 <mielvds1> bblfish: I think we can close issue 76
Henry Story: I think we can close ISSUE-76 ←
14:25:48 <mielvds1> Resolution: Close issue 76
14:26:28 <roger> @TallTed, I believe the discussion order is according to difficulty/complexity
Roger Menday: @TallTed, I believe the discussion order is according to difficulty/complexity ←
14:27:24 <pchampin> q+
14:27:44 <pchampin> yes; I'm mute
Pierre-Antoine Champin: yes; I'm mute ←
14:27:44 <bblfish> the answer I was mentioning that I wrote this morning is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Jun/0003.html
Henry Story: the answer I was mentioning that I wrote this morning is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Jun/0003.html ←
14:27:47 <pchampin> muted :)
Pierre-Antoine Champin: muted :) ←
14:28:02 <bblfish> q?
Henry Story: q? ←
14:28:03 <pchampin> can't find the unmute button
Pierre-Antoine Champin: can't find the unmute button ←
14:28:04 <pchampin> q-
14:28:16 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
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14:28:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, TallTed (muted), bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, roger, mielvds1, nmihindu, pchampin, JohnArwe, +1.919.306.aacc, krp, rgarcia, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, TallTed (muted), bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, roger, mielvds1, nmihindu, pchampin, JohnArwe, +1.919.306.aacc, krp, rgarcia, Yves ←
14:28:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see roger, rgarcia, pchampin, krp, JohnArwe, nmihindu, Ashok, mielvds1, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, betehess, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see roger, rgarcia, pchampin, krp, JohnArwe, nmihindu, Ashok, mielvds1, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, betehess, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, ←
14:28:19 <Zakim> ... thschee
Zakim IRC Bot: ... thschee ←
14:28:21 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 75
14:28:52 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I hope people in the RDF semantics can come in and look at these specific issues
Arnaud Le Hors: I hope people in the RDF semantics can come in and look at these specific issues ←
14:29:13 <mielvds1> Arnaud: issue 71 is main topic of discussion
Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-71 is main topic of discussion ←
14:29:15 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 71
14:30:25 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:30:31 <mielvds1> Arnaud: explain, henry, what issue 73 is about
Arnaud Le Hors: explain, henry, what ISSUE-73 is about ←
14:30:33 <TallTed> tangential but important -- all instances of "rdf:member" should be corrected to "rdfs:member", in ISSUEs, ACTIONs, etc.
Ted Thibodeau: tangential but important -- all instances of "rdf:member" should be corrected to "rdfs:member", in ISSUEs, ACTIONs, etc. ←
14:30:37 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:30:56 <mielvds1> bblfish: there is a confusion, people are taking any relation as member relation
Henry Story: there is a confusion, people are taking any relation as member relation ←
14:31:32 <mielvds1> bblfish: there needs to be a relation between LDPC and the members of it according to ATOM and REST people
Henry Story: there needs to be a relation between LDPC and the members of it according to ATOM and REST people ←
14:32:02 <mielvds1> bblfish: LDP contains (issue 79) is closely related, it's a better issue
Henry Story: LDP contains (ISSUE-79) is closely related, it's a better issue ←
14:32:18 <mielvds1> bblfish: we can close issue 73
Henry Story: we can close ISSUE-73 ←
14:33:36 <mielvds1> bblfish: in my impl. clients could find all created members
Henry Story: in my impl. clients could find all created members ←
14:34:06 <mielvds1> bblfish: 79 explains this, 73 is the real spec issue
Henry Story: 79 explains this, 73 is the real spec issue ←
14:34:27 <mielvds1> bblfish: 73 is more a 'best practice' issue
Henry Story: 73 is more a 'best practice' issue ←
14:35:19 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open Issue-73 and change the product of issue to deployment guide
RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-73 and change the product of issue to deployment guide ←
14:35:43 <JohnArwe> issue-73 updated in db per the resolution
John Arwe: ISSUE-73 updated in db per the resolution ←
14:35:50 <mielvds1> Arnaud: issue 78 and 79 are left
Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-78 and 79 are left ←
14:36:58 <mielvds1> bblfish: issue 78 depends on if we want inferencing, if we want to allow it
Henry Story: ISSUE-78 depends on if we want inferencing, if we want to allow it ←
14:38:00 <mielvds1> bblfish: clients stick to LDP and have zero inferencing
Henry Story: clients stick to LDP and have zero inferencing ←
14:38:18 <mielvds1> Arnaud: wise thing to do to clarify the spec to make sure people know what to expect
Arnaud Le Hors: wise thing to do to clarify the spec to make sure people know what to expect ←
14:38:33 <pchampin> not sure the term "level" is used, but different "kinds of entailments" are well defined in RDF Semantics and OWL
Pierre-Antoine Champin: not sure the term "level" is used, but different "kinds of entailments" are well defined in RDF Semantics and OWL ←
14:38:44 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
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14:38:44 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
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14:39:31 <bblfish> ok with that
Henry Story: ok with that ←
14:39:33 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 78
14:39:36 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:39:36 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:40:15 <JohnArwe> issue-78 opened in db
John Arwe: ISSUE-78 opened in db ←
14:40:45 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I suggest we open 79
Arnaud Le Hors: I suggest we open 79 ←
14:44:38 <mielvds1> Can issue 79 be opened?
14:45:34 <mielvds1> Topic: Open Issues
14:45:40 <bblfish> subtopic: Issue-64
14:45:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-64 -- Non-member-properties and Hypermedia as the Engine of Application State (HATEOAS) Compliance -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-64 -- Non-member-properties and Hypermedia as the Engine of Application State (HATEOAS) Compliance -- pending review ←
14:45:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/64
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/64 ←
14:45:41 <nmihindu> issue-64
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ISSUE-64 ←
14:45:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-64 -- Non-member-properties and Hypermedia as the Engine of Application State (HATEOAS) Compliance -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-64 -- Non-member-properties and Hypermedia as the Engine of Application State (HATEOAS) Compliance -- pending review ←
14:45:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/64
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/64 ←
14:46:42 <JohnArwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0226.html proposal email
John Arwe: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0226.html proposal email ←
14:47:00 <mielvds1> Arnaud: the proposal from John is to close the one regarding non-member-properties, related issue first-page is in de draft now
Arnaud Le Hors: the proposal from John is to close the one regarding non-member-properties, related issue first-page is in editor's draft now ←
14:47:18 <JohnArwe> s/ de / editor's /
14:47:31 <bblfish> link headers sounds pretty safe given that other protocols have already reveiewed them.
Henry Story: link headers sounds pretty safe given that other protocols have already reveiewed them. ←
14:48:39 <pchampin> +.5 for a URI
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +.5 for a URI ←
14:48:43 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:48:51 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:49:18 <mielvds1> bblfish: the disadvantage of the short url, is that there is no RDF. We cannot put it in the body.
Henry Story: the disadvantage of the short url, is that there is no RDF. We cannot put it in the body. ←
14:49:47 <pchampin> q+
14:49:51 <mielvds1> Arnaud: if we put it in the RDF content, you have to do a GET, which is what we want to avoid (having to get all members)
Arnaud Le Hors: if we put it in the RDF content, you have to do a GET, which is what we want to avoid (having to get all members) ←
14:49:55 <JohnArwe> I don't care either way; I'm not sure that this semantic is general enough to make it worth registering a short name, so I'm fine with defining our own URL
John Arwe: I don't care either way; I'm not sure that this semantic is general enough to make it worth registering a short name, so I'm fine with defining our own URL ←
14:50:07 <mielvds1> Arnaud: http link header seems to be more adequate
Arnaud Le Hors: http link header seems to be more adequate ←
14:51:49 <mielvds1> Arnaud: let's have a quick poll
Arnaud Le Hors: let's have a quick poll ←
14:52:12 <pchampin> q-
14:52:24 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: close issue-64 per John's proposal with a URL (rather than shortname)
PROPOSED: close ISSUE-64 per John's proposal with a URL (rather than shortname) ←
14:52:41 <pchampin> +1
14:52:43 <JohnArwe> +1
14:52:45 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:52:48 <mielvds1> +1
+1 ←
14:52:48 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:52:51 <rgarcia> +1
Raúl García Castro: +1 ←
14:52:54 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:52:58 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
14:53:02 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
14:53:09 <Arnaud> +1 (on behalf SteveS)
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 (on behalf SteveS) ←
14:53:22 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close issue-64 per John's proposal with a URL (rather than shortname)
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-64 per John's proposal with a URL (rather than shortname) ←
14:53:40 <bblfish> subtopic: Issue-71
14:53:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-71 -- No membershipSubject or membershipPredicate -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-71 -- No membershipSubject or membershipPredicate -- raised ←
14:53:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/71
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/71 ←
14:55:05 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:55:08 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I'd like to know how many people want to be able to reuse vocabularies. This is actually more of a requirement than a use case, as it applies to several use cases. The member submission failed to include this requirement and as a result our UC&R doesn't.
Arnaud Le Hors: I'd like to know how many people want to be able to reuse vocabularies. This is actually more of a requirement than a use case, as it applies to several use cases. The member submission failed to include this requirement and as a result our UC&R doesn't. ←
14:55:36 <mielvds1> Arnaud: 2 Possible options
Arnaud Le Hors: 2 Possible options ←
<mielvds1> ... 1. reuse of domain vocabulary lower adoption barrier for users but makes it harder for developers, they have to implement more
... 1. reuse of domain vocabulary lower adoption barrier for users but makes it harder for developers, they have to implement more ←
14:55:52 <mielvds1> Arnaud: Or, 2. we keep it simple.
Arnaud Le Hors: Or, 2. we keep it simple. ←
14:56:13 <pchampin> q+
14:56:43 <mielvds1> Arnaud: just one type of membership. This makes it easier for developers and users that start from scratch. On the other hand, people with domain vocabularies will have to do a transformation
Arnaud Le Hors: just one type of membership. This makes it easier for developers and users that start from scratch. On the other hand, people with domain vocabularies will have to do a transformation ←
14:56:49 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:56:58 <bblfish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0250.html
Henry Story: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0250.html ←
14:57:05 <mielvds1> bblfish: that might be the wrong kind of question
Henry Story: that might be the wrong kind of question ←
14:58:18 <mielvds1> bblfish: Use case of SteveS - you have an LDPR and you want to add something. The way you are putting it, creates a relation.
Henry Story: Use case of SteveS - you have an LDPR and you want to add something. The way you are putting it, creates a relation. ←
14:58:30 <pchampin> :-(
Pierre-Antoine Champin: :-( ←
14:58:38 <Arnaud> ack pchampin
Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin ←
14:58:41 <JohnArwe> pierre sounds like a dialer auto-dialing
John Arwe: pierre sounds like a dialer auto-dialing ←
14:58:44 <pchampin> I'll write it down quickly
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I'll write it down quickly ←
14:59:08 <pchampin> I think people will have to massage their data anyway
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I think people will have to massage their data anyway ←
14:59:10 <pchampin> if only to add LDPR and LDPC types to their resources
Pierre-Antoine Champin: if only to add LDPR and LDPC types to their resources ←
14:59:26 <pchampin> (ok, my mistake)
Pierre-Antoine Champin: (ok, my mistake) ←
14:59:28 <bblfish> in short it's the wrong question. The end of ISSUE-71 shows two other ways to allow the same use cases to be resolved. Add some kind of declarative inferencing language and one has many more possibilites.
Henry Story: in short it's the wrong question. The end of ISSUE-71 shows two other ways to allow the same use cases to be resolved. Add some kind of declarative inferencing language and one has many more possibilites. ←
14:59:50 <pchampin> so keeping it orthogonal with the app-specific vocabulary seems a reasonable way to proceed
Pierre-Antoine Champin: so keeping it orthogonal with the app-specific vocabulary seems a reasonable way to proceed ←
15:00:01 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I'm saying this because the question about not having a use case for this was raised.
Arnaud Le Hors: I'm saying this because the question about not having a use case for this was raised. ←
15:01:14 <bblfish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0250.html
Henry Story: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0250.html ←
15:01:38 <Zakim> -roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -roger ←
15:02:24 <TallTed> this seems effectively to raise the question of "require inference (to handle { ldp:membershipPredicate owl:subProperty rdfs:member } ), or do not require inference" ... and I've hit a hard stop and must drop from this call.
Ted Thibodeau: this seems effectively to raise the question of "require inference (to handle { ldp:membershipPredicate owl:subProperty rdfs:member } ), or do not require inference" ... and I've hit a hard stop and must drop from this call. ←
<mielvds1> Arnaud: We'll have to leave it at that for now. Please, be courteous in your communication.
Arnaud Le Hors: We'll have to leave it at that for now. Please, be courteous in your communication. ←
15:02:31 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
15:03:26 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:03:32 <Zakim> - +1.919.306.aacc
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15:03:43 <Zakim> -Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←
15:03:47 <bblfish> thanks
Henry Story: thanks ←
15:03:48 <pchampin> bye
Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye ←
15:03:48 <Zakim> -rgarcia
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15:03:54 <Zakim> -pchampin
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15:03:54 <Zakim> -nmihindu
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15:03:56 <Zakim> -krp
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15:03:56 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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15:03:56 <Zakim> -mielvds1
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15:03:58 <Zakim> -bblfish
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15:04:01 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
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15:04:02 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:04:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, +44.208.573.aaaa, roger, mielvds1, nmihindu, pchampin, +1.415.392.aabb, JohnArwe, +1.919.306.aacc, krp, rgarcia, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, +44.208.573.aaaa, roger, mielvds1, nmihindu, pchampin, +1.415.392.aabb, JohnArwe, +1.919.306.aacc, krp, rgarcia, Yves ←
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