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11:00:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
11:00:24 <trackbot> Date: 24 September 2015
11:00:48 <deirdrelee> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Draft_Agenda
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11:03:13 <Makx> so I understand the problem was that the start time given on the agenda (12:00 Berlin) was in error. I see that 8:00 Sao Paulo is 13:00 CEST.
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11:03:37 <Makx> Some of us were here an hour ago.
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11:03:39 <phila> :-( A thousand apologies Makx
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11:03:43 <Caroline_> Hello!
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11:15:25 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
11:15:29 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda
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11:21:28 <phila> Topic: Welcome
11:21:44 <phila> deirdrelee: Thanks Nic BR for hosting us and looking after us so well
Deirdre Lee: Thanks Nic BR for hosting us and looking after us so well [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
11:21:49 <phila> ... note the poster!
Phil Archer: ... note the poster! ←
11:22:05 <phila> deirdrelee: We're at quite a mature stage now. We need to get into the details of the docs
Deirdre Lee: We're at quite a mature stage now. We need to get into the details of the docs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
11:22:10 <phila> ... we get through a lot at F2F meetings
Phil Archer: ... we get through a lot at F2F meetings ←
11:22:17 <phila> ... I'm sure these days will be the same.
Phil Archer: ... I'm sure these days will be the same. ←
11:22:28 <phila> ... We're quite punctual. Set up within 20 mins
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11:22:56 <phila> Vagner_Br: Welcome everyone. Pleasure to have Phil and Dee at the conference yesterday
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11:23:17 <phila> Vagner_Br: Thanks Brazil team for coming as well
Vagner Diniz: Thanks Brazil team for coming as well [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
11:23:27 <phila> Topic: Data Quality Vocabulary
11:23:39 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html DQV
Phil Archer: -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html DQV ←
11:23:42 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Friday_25th_September
11:23:49 <phila> deirdrelee: Editors have prepared questions for us all
Deirdre Lee: Editors have prepared questions for us all [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
11:23:51 <deirdrelee> dqv agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DQV
Deirdre Lee: dqv agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DQV ←
11:24:09 <phila> deirdrelee: Turns over the Antoine and Riccardo
Deirdre Lee: Turns over the Antoine and Riccardo [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
11:24:31 <Vagner_Br> present+ Vagner_Br
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11:24:33 <RiccardoAlbertoni> sure ..
Riccardo Albertoni: sure .. ←
11:24:42 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
11:25:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
Riccardo Albertoni: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html ←
11:25:25 <phila> antoine: Offers a brief review of the doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
Antoine Isaac: Offers a brief review of the doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
11:25:29 <phila> scribe: phila
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11:25:34 <phila> scribeNick: phila
11:25:59 <phila> phila: I really like the intro text
Phil Archer: I really like the intro text ←
11:26:36 <phila> antoine: A reminder that we're not defining what quality is - rather, we're offering a core framework that can be extended to create their own metadat about the quality of datazsets
Antoine Isaac: A reminder that we're not defining what quality is - rather, we're offering a core framework that can be extended to create their own metadat about the quality of datasets ←
11:26:48 <phila> s/datazsets/datasets/
11:27:10 <phila> antoine: Idea is to make it easy to compare quality assessments and enhance the interop of these systems
Antoine Isaac: Idea is to make it easy to compare quality assessments and enhance the interop of these systems ←
11:27:26 <phila> antoine: usual sections on conformance and namespaces
Antoine Isaac: usual sections on conformance and namespaces ←
11:27:38 <phila> ... Some vocab review, presents the main parts of the vocab
... Some vocab review, presents the main parts of the vocab ←
11:27:55 <phila> ... RiccardoAlbertoni created this section - very usefeul
... RiccardoAlbertoni created this section - very usefeul ←
11:28:25 <phila> ... the Datasets class is the subject of any description. Below and around that are the different aspects of quality that we've identified so far
... the Datasets class is the subject of any description. Below and around that are the different aspects of quality that we've identified so far ←
11:31:31 <phila> antoine: Top class is the class for dcat:Datastet or dcat:Distribution
Antoine Isaac: Top class is the class for dcat:Datastet or dcat:Distribution ←
11:31:42 <phila> ... on the left is the part about quality measures
... on the left is the part about quality measures ←
11:31:59 <phila> ... not so much inspired as copied from DAQ
... not so much inspired as copied from DAQ ←
11:32:18 <phila> ... the middle part - there are a couple of classes about aggregations
... the middle part - there are a couple of classes about annotations ←
11:32:26 <phila> s/aggregations/annotations/
11:32:33 <phila> ... this is an area for discussion later
... this is an area for discussion later ←
11:32:48 <phila> ... on the right is the part about conformance
... on the right is the part about conformance ←
11:33:00 <phila> ... we'll have discussions later about conforming to certain standards
... we'll have discussions later about conforming to certain standards ←
11:33:11 <phila> ... and we're not sure how to indicate that an SLA is available
... and we're not sure how to indicate that an SLA is available ←
11:33:19 <phila> ... so these are the core elements of hte model
... so these are the core elements of hte model ←
11:33:34 <phila> ... The dotted line are about representing provenance
... The dotted line are about representing provenance ←
11:33:51 <phila> ... this has been discussed on the mailing list. We re-use Prov of course but there is some discussion about containment
... this has been discussed on the mailing list. We re-use Prov of course but there is some discussion about containment ←
11:34:26 <phila> q+
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11:34:36 <deirdrelee> ack phila
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11:34:37 <phila> ack me
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11:36:06 <phila> phila: Clarified the different divisons
Phil Archer: Clarified the different divisons ←
11:36:18 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
11:36:22 <phila> antoine: There's an open nquestion on what role Prov should play, how does that relate to quality
Antoine Isaac: There's an open nquestion on what role Prov should play, how does that relate to quality ←
11:36:40 <phila> ... one aspect of prov is the prov of the quality metadata
... one aspect of prov is the prov of the quality metadata ←
11:36:52 <phila> ... this is important but that's at a different meta level
... this is important but that's at a different meta level ←
11:36:57 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
11:37:13 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Is the quality annotation done by the publisher?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Is the quality annotation done by the publisher? ←
11:37:18 <phila> antoine: It can be, or the data re-users
Antoine Isaac: It can be, or the data re-users ←
11:37:26 <phila> ... this will be a topic for future work
... this will be a topic for future work ←
11:37:33 <phila> ... which will go hand in hand with DUV
... which will go hand in hand with DUV ←
11:37:54 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Yes, if it's given by the consumer then it's related to the usage, where we have methods for feedbacl
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yes, if it's given by the consumer then it's related to the usage, where we have methods for feedback ←
11:37:56 <phila> antoine: Yes.
Antoine Isaac: Yes. ←
11:38:03 <phila> ... That's the a good transition
... That's the a good transition ←
11:38:37 <phila> ... You can see that one of the first issues for DQV is the relationship/overlap with DUV
... You can see that one of the first issues for DQV is the relationship/overlap with DUV ←
11:38:50 <phila> ... that's scheduled later in the agendaq
... that's scheduled later in the agenda ←
11:38:53 <WagnerMeiraJr> q+
Wagner Meira Jr.: q+ ←
11:39:11 <deirdrelee> ack WagnerMeiraJr
Deirdre Lee: ack WagnerMeiraJr ←
11:39:21 <phila> WagnerMeiraJr: It seems that you're considering quantitative measure.
Wagner Meira Jr.: It seems that you're considering quantitative measure. ←
11:39:42 <phila> ... I've seen this done - is that a parallel path?
... I've seen this done - is that a parallel path? ←
11:40:03 <phila> antoine: This is a good point. Right now, the point about measures is quantitative.
Antoine Isaac: This is a good point. Right now, the point about measures is quantitative. ←
11:40:25 <phila> ... This comes from the DAQ vocabulary that we've re-used.
... This comes from the DAQ vocabulary that we've re-used. ←
11:41:04 <phila> ... I'm not clear how to add a qualitative measure. That could be seen as an annotation unless there's a clear example of how to make it more structured
... I'm not clear how to add a qualitative measure. That could be seen as an annotation unless there's a clear example of how to make it more structured ←
11:41:20 <phila> ... A problem that we face is that we don't have a lot of examples
... A problem that we face is that we don't have a lot of examples ←
11:41:29 <phila> ... so please if you know if any, please provide them
... so please if you know if any, please provide them ←
11:42:02 <phila> WagnerMeiraJr: One example - in info retrieval. If you have a live experiemnt witrh users evaluating text, you give them a set of possible responses (like sentiment analysis)
Wagner Meira Jr.: One example - in info retrieval. If you have a live experiemnt with users evaluating text, you give them a set of possible responses (like sentiment analysis) ←
11:42:16 <phila> ... and you're measuring how the dataset matches expectations
... and you're measuring how the dataset matches expectations ←
11:42:25 <phila> ... and benchmarks
... and benchmarks ←
11:42:34 <phila> ... I can collect some examples and send them to the group
... I can collect some examples and send them to the group ←
11:42:45 <phila> antoine: So you mean things like 5 star scales
Antoine Isaac: So you mean things like 5 star scales ←
11:42:51 <phila> WagnerMeiraJr: Yes.
Wagner Meira Jr.: Yes. ←
11:43:01 <phila> antoine: If you coulr write that up it would be very helpful
Antoine Isaac: If you could write that up it would be very helpful ←
11:43:15 <deirdrelee> s/coulr/could
11:43:21 <phila> antoine: Is a scale quantitative or qualitative? - that's a question
Antoine Isaac: Is a scale quantitative or qualitative? - that's a question ←
11:43:51 <phila> antoine: Probbaly not a good idea to enter deep discussion on this as we've not considered it. So examples would be very helpful so that we can see where they fit in the model.
Antoine Isaac: Probbaly not a good idea to enter deep discussion on this as we've not considered it. So examples would be very helpful so that we can see where they fit in the model. ←
11:43:55 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
11:43:56 <Vagner_Br> s/witrh/with
11:44:17 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
11:44:24 <Vagner_Br> s/agendaq/agenda
11:44:27 <phila> action meira to collect examples of qualitative feedback and send them to the group, including 5 star scales
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11:44:34 <phila> action wagner to collect examples of qualitative feedback and send them to the group, including 5 star scales
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11:44:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-200 - Collect examples of qualitative feedback and send them to the group, including 5 star scales [on Wagner Meira Jr. - due 2015-10-01].
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11:44:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
11:45:03 <phila> laufer: Raises issue of metadata about different distributions of hte same dataset
Carlos Laufer: Raises issue of metadata about different distributions of the same dataset ←
11:45:10 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
11:45:33 <phila> antoine: I'm tempted to ask you to raisde that later as it's very specific. I don't want to skip it, but from the perspective of the discussion process I'd like to continue the agenda
Antoine Isaac: I'm tempted to ask you to raise that later as it's very specific. I don't want to skip it, but from the perspective of the discussion process I'd like to continue the agenda ←
11:45:40 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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11:45:43 <Vagner_Br> s/feedbacl/feedback
11:46:18 <phila> regrets+ Hadley, Steve
regrets+ Hadley, Steve ←
11:46:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> i am taking a note
Riccardo Albertoni: i am taking a note ←
11:46:48 <phila> antoine: What I want to go on to is not so exciting... section 1 is the standard text about defining the various classes and properties in the model
Antoine Isaac: What I want to go on to is not so exciting... section 1 is the standard text about defining the various classes and properties in the model ←
11:47:10 <phila> ... It's currently organised by classes, and then the properties that can typically be applied to this class.
... It's currently organised by classes, and then the properties that can typically be applied to this class. ←
11:47:29 <phila> ... This is a little different from some vocabs where all the classes are grouped together and then the properties.
... This is a little different from some vocabs where all the classes are grouped together and then the properties. ←
11:47:36 <Vagner_Br> s/hte/the
11:47:40 <phila> ... If you think that's not a good way to proceed then please say so.
... If you think that's not a good way to proceed then please say so. ←
11:47:48 <phila> ... otherwise I won't dive into all these tables.
... otherwise I won't dive into all these tables. ←
11:47:56 <phila> ... they just reflect the detailed discussions that we've had
... they just reflect the detailed discussions that we've had ←
11:48:20 <phila> ... The tables just reflect what the RDFS/OWL definitions will be
... The tables just reflect what the RDFS/OWL definitions will be ←
11:48:45 <phila> ... Section 6 is the example stuff I was mentioning before. We have a general framework so we think it's important to provide examples.
... Section 6 is the example stuff I was mentioning before. We have a general framework so we think it's important to provide examples. ←
11:48:49 <Vagner_Br> s/raisde/raise
11:49:13 <phila> antoine: It's not as complete as it could be so we'll keep on asking for more examples
Antoine Isaac: It's not as complete as it could be so we'll keep on asking for more examples ←
11:49:29 <phila> ... There's only so much that we can create ourselves.
... There's only so much that we can create ourselves. ←
11:49:40 <phila> ... It's good if we can put in real info from real use cases.
... It's good if we can put in real info from real use cases. ←
11:51:00 <phila> ... In 6.3 and 4 we see the difficlty about Prov that I mentioned earlier. There's the prov of the annotation and the prov of the dataset
... In 6.3 and 4 we see the difficlty about Prov that I mentioned earlier. There's the prov of the annotation and the prov of the dataset ←
11:51:11 <phila> ... this will overlap with the BP doc probably.
... this will overlap with the BP doc probably. ←
11:51:29 <phila> ... We want to include an example of a certificate (e.g. from the ODI)
... We want to include an example of a certificate (e.g. from the ODI) ←
11:52:11 <phila> ... and finally something about quality of a linkset. Things published separately - e.g. aligning with SKOS concepts and we want to say something about that.
... and finally something about quality of a linkset. Things published separately - e.g. aligning with SKOS concepts and we want to say something about that. ←
11:52:33 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion about examples
q+ to make a suggestion about examples ←
11:52:54 <phila> antoine: We don't want to tell people what quality is but we want others to share their notion of quality
Antoine Isaac: We don't want to tell people what quality is but we want others to share their notion of quality ←
11:53:02 <phila> ... so we'#re providing the framework for that.
... so we're providing the framework for that. ←
11:53:10 <phila> s/we'#re/we're/
11:53:17 <deirdrelee> ack phila
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11:53:17 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion about examples
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11:54:09 <phila> phila: Suggests using the next publication as a trigger to get new examples
Phil Archer: Suggests using the next publication as a trigger to get new examples ←
11:54:42 <phila> antoine: Can we note an action on the editors to add such a note to the doc
Antoine Isaac: Can we note an action on the editors to add such a note to the doc ←
11:55:03 <phila> action: antoine to add note to DQV document seeking examples from external reviewers
ACTION: antoine to add note to DQV document seeking examples from external reviewers ←
11:55:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-201 - Add note to dqv document seeking examples from external reviewers [on Antoine Isaac - due 2015-10-01].
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11:55:22 <phila> antoine: So back to section 7 - hints for dimensions and metrics
Antoine Isaac: So back to section 7 - hints for dimensions and metrics ←
11:55:32 <phila> ... this refers to the use cases and elements that we have
... this refers to the use cases and elements that we have ←
11:55:40 <phila> ... need to come back to this with Riccardo
... need to come back to this with Riccardo ←
11:55:58 <phila> ... Main areas that we want t explore are the ones raised by various contributuions to the WG.
... Main areas that we want t explore are the ones raised by various contributuions to the WG. ←
11:56:25 <phila> ... Ideally we want examples relevant to all the elements in section 7
... Ideally we want examples relevant to all the elements in section 7 ←
11:57:02 <phila> antoine: The last section of the doc is the one that lists the requirements that we elicited previously. It's a motivation section.
Antoine Isaac: The last section of the doc is the one that lists the requirements that we elicited previously. It's a motivation section. ←
11:57:58 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
11:58:19 <phila> deirdrelee: Is it worth going back to the UCR at this stage?
Deirdre Lee: Is it worth going back to the UCR at this stage? ←
11:58:26 <phila> ... might that give us more examples do you think?
... might that give us more examples do you think? ←
11:58:37 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
11:58:54 <phila> antoine: What do you have in mind?
Antoine Isaac: What do you have in mind? ←
11:59:00 <nandana> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#requirements-for-quality-and-granularity-description-vocabulary
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#requirements-for-quality-and-granularity-description-vocabulary ←
11:59:16 <phila> deirdrelee: Maybe update the UCR based on the examples that come in?
Deirdre Lee: Maybe update the UCR based on the examples that come in? ←
11:59:42 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Quality_Aspects_In_Use_Cases
Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Quality_Aspects_In_Use_Cases ←
11:59:45 <phila> antoine: In principle it makes sense but many of the use cases are very general. In the previous phase of work, we analysed each use case to see what they had about quality
Antoine Isaac: In principle it makes sense but many of the use cases are very general. In the previous phase of work, we analysed each use case to see what they had about quality ←
12:00:06 <phila> ... Many of the UCs are too general to get some example from there without going to back to each UC owner
... Many of the UCs are too general to get some example from there without going to back to each UC owner ←
12:01:25 <phila> antoine: Only hesitation is the amount of work involved
Antoine Isaac: Only hesitation is the amount of work involved ←
12:01:34 <phila> ... maybe that's a discussion for later?
... maybe that's a discussion for later? ←
12:01:43 <phila> deirdrelee: OK, let's go ahead with the next point on your agenda
Deirdre Lee: OK, let's go ahead with the next point on your agenda ←
12:02:06 <phila> antoine: Any comments on the doc overall?
Antoine Isaac: Any comments on the doc overall? ←
12:02:11 <phila> phila: I like it
Phil Archer: I like it ←
12:02:25 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:02:28 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
12:02:38 <phila> deirdrelee: I think the doc looks very strong. There's a logical flow to it, I think it's def in the right direction and it will be very useful
Deirdre Lee: I think the doc looks very strong. There's a logical flow to it, I think it's def in the right direction and it will be very useful ←
12:03:13 <phila> antoine: Then we shouodl get into the very specific issues
Antoine Isaac: Then we shouodl get into the very specific issues ←
12:03:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ok
Riccardo Albertoni: ok ←
12:03:37 <phila> antoine hands over to Riccardo to go through the issues
antoine hands over to Riccardo to go through the issues ←
12:03:50 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: So we can start with the first issue
Riccardo Albertoni: So we can start with the first issue ←
12:03:56 <phila> issue-184?
12:03:56 <trackbot> issue-184 -- Is an dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement a kind of certificate, or a standard? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-184 -- Is an dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement a kind of certificate, or a standard? -- open ←
12:03:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/184
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/184 ←
12:03:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> issue-184?
Riccardo Albertoni: ISSUE-184? ←
12:03:56 <trackbot> issue-184 -- Is an dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement a kind of certificate, or a standard? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-184 -- Is an dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement a kind of certificate, or a standard? -- open ←
12:03:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/184
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/184 ←
12:05:00 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: It's current defined as a kind of standard. One part of the discussion is whether this is right or is it a certificate
Riccardo Albertoni: It's current defined as a kind of standard. One part of the discussion is whether this is right or is it a certificate ←
12:05:26 <phila> ... Some have said that an SLA is neither. It's a collection of promises
... Some have said that an SLA is neither. It's a collection of promises ←
12:05:42 <phila> ... So it seems to me that an SLA is quite a complex thing.
... So it seems to me that an SLA is quite a complex thing. ←
12:05:56 <phila> ... There have been 2 proposals. 1 - keep it as a kind of document
... There have been 2 proposals. 1 - keep it as a kind of document ←
12:06:20 <phila> ... or model it using entities
... or model it using entities ←
12:06:38 <PeterWinstanley> present+ PeterWinstanley
Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley ←
12:07:08 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: Christophe suggested modelling it as a doc, Antoine suggetsed modelling it along the ODRL model
Riccardo Albertoni: Christophe suggested modelling it as a doc, Antoine suggetsed modelling it along the ODRL model ←
12:07:54 <phila> q+
q+ ←
12:07:59 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
12:08:10 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
12:08:11 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
12:08:40 <phila> ack me
ack me ←
12:08:49 <phila> phila: ASks for clarification of poss use of ODRL
Phil Archer: ASks for clarification of poss use of ODRL ←
12:08:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> there is a lot of echo ..
Riccardo Albertoni: there is a lot of echo .. ←
12:08:59 <phila> ... they express things like licensing statements
... they express things like licensing statements ←
12:09:11 <nandana> +q to comment why ODRL might be useful
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to comment why ODRL might be useful ←
12:09:28 <phila> ... It can fit pretty much any sort of agreement between parties, so we could see an SLA as an instance of that
... It can fit pretty much any sort of agreement between parties, so we could see an SLA as an instance of that ←
12:09:43 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
12:10:03 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
12:10:08 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: maybe I missed something, it;s not clear for me, why do you need this SLA info. Will you use it to calculate sometehing?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: maybe I missed something, it;s not clear for me, why do you need this SLA info. Will you use it to calculate sometehing? ←
12:10:39 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: The idea is that the SLA tells you how reliable the service is
Riccardo Albertoni: The idea is that the SLA tells you how reliable the service is ←
12:10:52 <phila> ... so it's related to hte quality
... so it's related to hte quality ←
12:10:59 <PeterWinstanley> q+
Peter Winstanley: q+ ←
12:11:35 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: OK... but for the dataset...
Bernadette Farias Loscio: OK... but for the dataset... ←
12:11:54 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
12:12:08 <phila> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
12:12:12 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
12:12:42 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: There is a lot of work on this. An SLA is a type of social contract. These can be understood as aggregations of commitments and claims.
Giancarlo Guizzardi: There is a lot of work on this. An SLA is a type of social contract. These can be understood as aggregations of commitments and claims. ←
12:13:11 <phila> ... This would be an interesting way to look at this. For example, partial satisfaction of a SLA might be met
... This would be an interesting way to look at this. For example, partial satisfaction of a SLA might be met ←
12:13:21 <phila> ... I can include some refs to work in this area.
... I can include some refs to work in this area. ←
12:13:32 <phila> q+ to weild Occam's Razor
q+ to weild Occam's Razor ←
12:13:40 <phila> ack nan
ack nan ←
12:13:40 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to comment why ODRL might be useful
Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to comment why ODRL might be useful ←
12:14:09 <phila> nandana: My first comment matches Bernadette, are there use cases that motivate its inclusion?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: My first comment matches Bernadette, are there use cases that motivate its inclusion? ←
12:14:38 <phila> nandana: I think ODRL can express commitments clearly
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I think ODRL can express commitments clearly ←
12:14:50 <deirdrelee> action Giancarlo_Guizzardi to share examples around service level agreement activity
Deirdre Lee: action Giancarlo_Guizzardi to share examples around service level agreement activity ←
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12:14:58 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:15:07 <deirdrelee> action Giancaro to share examples around service level agreement activity
Deirdre Lee: action Giancaro to share examples around service level agreement activity ←
12:15:07 <trackbot> Error finding 'Giancaro'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.
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12:15:18 <deirdrelee> action Giancarlo to share examples around service level agreement activity
Deirdre Lee: action Giancarlo to share examples around service level agreement activity ←
12:15:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-202 - Share examples around service level agreement activity [on Giancarlo Guizzardi - due 2015-10-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-202 - Share examples around service level agreement activity [on Giancarlo Guizzardi - due 2015-10-01]. ←
12:15:26 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#UC-OKFNTransport and http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#UC-RDESC both ask for SLAs
http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#UC-OKFNTransport and http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#UC-RDESC both ask for SLAs ←
12:16:09 <phila> antoine: My approach to this is there are aspects of quality that everyone agrees are important. Something like the fact that a dataset is refreshed every week
Antoine Isaac: My approach to this is there are aspects of quality that everyone agrees are important. Something like the fact that a dataset is refreshed every week ←
12:16:11 <nandana> another ontology that defines SLAs http://ontology.it/itsmo/v1/itsmo.html#term_SLA
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: another ontology that defines SLAs http://ontology.it/itsmo/v1/itsmo.html#term_SLA ←
12:16:20 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
12:16:30 <phila> antoine: So you can measure that, and you might express it in an ODI Certificate
Antoine Isaac: So you can measure that, and you might express it in an ODI Certificate ←
12:16:37 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> In the following Core Ontology of Services, we address the use of Service Offerings in terms of social commitments and claims. This might be relevant in this context: http://www.inf.ufes.br/~gguizzardi/UFO-S.pdf
Giancarlo Guizzardi: In the following Core Ontology of Services, we address the use of Service Offerings in terms of social commitments and claims. This might be relevant in this context: http://www.inf.ufes.br/~gguizzardi/UFO-S.pdf ←
12:16:46 <phila> ... We can represent this in the mode in several ways
... We can represent this in the mode in several ways ←
12:17:13 <phila> ... We don't want to close the door to one way or another. For some people, info that data is udated every week is all they need to know/.
... We don't want to close the door to one way or another. For some people, info that data is udated every week is all they need to know/. ←
12:17:18 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
12:17:54 <phila> laufer: taking the example of a Distribution. We have the dataset itself and we have the service of providing this data.
Carlos Laufer: taking the example of a Distribution. We have the dataset itself and we have the service of providing this data. ←
12:18:38 <deirdrelee> ack PeterWinstanley
Deirdre Lee: ack PeterWinstanley ←
12:18:41 <phila> ... it's confusing to know what we're talking about (what's the subject of the triple)
... it's confusing to know what we're talking about (what's the subject of the triple) ←
12:18:42 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
12:19:04 <phila> PeterWinstanley: SLAs require an agreement between parties. So if we're talking about open data there's only one side
Peter Winstanley: SLAs require an agreement between parties. So if we're talking about open data there's only one side ←
12:19:25 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
12:19:37 <phila> ... secondly, if you begin to have the level of detail required in ODRL - I can see a lot of organisations who would pass it to the legal department... for a long time
... secondly, if you begin to have the level of detail required in ODRL - I can see a lot of organisations who would pass it to the legal department... for a long time ←
12:20:05 <phila> ... Danger is getting to a nice vocab that is only useful in a lab
... Danger is getting to a nice vocab that is only useful in a lab ←
12:20:10 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
12:20:13 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
12:20:13 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to weild Occam's Razor
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to weild Occam's Razor ←
12:21:31 <deirdrelee> phila: agree with peter. wonders should we use the term SLA as there are two sides,as peter said
Phil Archer: agree with peter. wonders should we use the term SLA as there are two sides,as peter said [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
12:21:51 <PeterWinstanley_> present+ PeterWinstanley
Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley ←
12:22:08 <deirdrelee> ... if a publisher wants to publish a pledge then FOAF could be sufficient
Deirdre Lee: ... if a publisher wants to publish a pledge then FOAF could be sufficient ←
12:22:16 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:22:20 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_ ←
12:22:20 <deirdrelee> ack Makx
Deirdre Lee: ack Makx ←
12:22:31 <phila> Makx: We might be mixing up things here. An SLA is a promise or a pledge, it doesn't say anything about the quality of the data
Makx Dekkers: We might be mixing up things here. An SLA is a promise or a pledge, it doesn't say anything about the quality of the data ←
12:22:48 <phila> ... If I say I'm going to update it every day and trhen I don't, that's confusing
... If I say I'm going to update it every day and trhen I don't, that's confusing ←
12:22:54 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
12:22:55 <phila> ... an SLA doesn't talk about quality
... an SLA doesn't talk about quality ←
12:23:02 <phila> antoine: Lots of points to answer there.
Antoine Isaac: Lots of points to answer there. ←
12:23:09 <phila> ... start with the last first
... start with the last first ←
12:23:26 <phila> ... Yes, an SLA is not a measure of quality, but it is useful info to potential users
... Yes, an SLA is not a measure of quality, but it is useful info to potential users ←
12:23:31 <Makx> +1 to antoine
Makx Dekkers: +1 to antoine ←
12:23:39 <phila> ... an annotation might say nothing about quality either
... an annotation might say nothing about quality either ←
12:23:42 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
12:23:56 <phila> ... it depends omn the provenance whether you can assess these things
... it depends omn the provenance whether you can assess these things ←
12:24:09 <phila> ... I don't think an SLA will solve all quality issues.
... I don't think an SLA will solve all quality issues. ←
12:24:36 <phila> antoine: To Peter on ODRL, the risk of adding sometehing that is too complex. I wouldn't suggest that we go through ODRL and include it here.
Antoine Isaac: To Peter on ODRL, the risk of adding sometehing that is too complex. I wouldn't suggest that we go through ODRL and include it here. ←
12:25:11 <phila> ... If there is a community that thinks it's good to expfess these pledges, then people should be entitled to do this. It's finding the most flexible way to makr this happen.
... If there is a community that thinks it's good to expfess these pledges, then people should be entitled to do this. It's finding the most flexible way to makr this happen. ←
12:25:29 <phila> ... I think we're not on very stable ground and I'm wary of closing doors.
... I think we're not on very stable ground and I'm wary of closing doors. ←
12:26:04 <phila> deirdrelee: I agree that the SLA is about the service, not the data, but could be describe the presence of an SLA as a quality metric. So the metric would be - is an SLA present?
Deirdre Lee: I agree that the SLA is about the service, not the data, but could be describe the presence of an SLA as a quality metric. So the metric would be - is an SLA present? ←
12:26:12 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
12:26:13 <phila> ... which speaks to the relaibility
... which speaks to the relaibility ←
12:26:17 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
12:26:18 <jerdeb> 100% agree with deirdre here
Jeremy Debattista: 100% agree with deirdre here ←
12:26:26 <phila> ... SO we cojld put that in one of the examples without it being explicitly in the model.
... SO we cojld put that in one of the examples without it being explicitly in the model. ←
12:26:28 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
12:26:28 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
12:26:49 <phila> antoine: In this case, i'd consider adding the SLA/Pledge as a sort of annotation rather than a metirc
Antoine Isaac: In this case, i'd consider adding the SLA/Pledge as a sort of annotation rather than a metirc ←
12:27:00 <phila> ... something in the same area as the certificates
... something in the same area as the certificates ←
12:27:19 <jerdeb> present+ jerdeb
Jeremy Debattista: present+ jerdeb ←
12:27:24 <phila> ... The question was whether an SLA is a certificate or a standard. Now it looks like we want to move it to a third place.
... The question was whether an SLA is a certificate or a standard. Now it looks like we want to move it to a third place. ←
12:27:27 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
12:27:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
12:27:38 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
12:27:49 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
12:27:56 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: I see there are opther people who want to say womthing about this. But I wonder if we're at the point where we can make a proposal
Riccardo Albertoni: I see there are opther people who want to say womthing about this. But I wonder if we're at the point where we can make a proposal ←
12:28:05 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:28:10 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
12:28:16 <phila> ... we are not sure if an SLA is a measuer of quality bnut we don't want to close the door to useful information
... we are not sure if an SLA is a measuer of quality bnut we don't want to close the door to useful information ←
12:29:29 <BernadetteLoscio> we had a long discussion about SLA during the F2F at Santa Clara
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we had a long discussion about SLA during the F2F at Santa Clara ←
12:29:31 <BernadetteLoscio> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T18-11-17
Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T18-11-17 ←
12:29:31 <phila> ... I'd like to suggest we try and answer a specific question. We have annotations, standards, etc. We want to leave things flexible.
... I'd like to suggest we try and answer a specific question. We have annotations, standards, etc. We want to leave things flexible. ←
12:30:34 <phila> deirdrelee: I think you're raising an important issue wrt to timing. So I'll start timing things.
Deirdre Lee: I think you're raising an important issue wrt to timing. So I'll start timing things. ←
12:30:45 <phila> ack next
ack next ←
12:31:43 <phila> laufer: I think it's importsant that SLA is important but we need to be clear. We have the provenance about the metadata, and then about the data etc.
Carlos Laufer: I think it's importsant that SLA is important but we need to be clear. We have the provenance about the metadata, and then about the data etc. ←
12:31:48 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
12:31:59 <phila> ... WE have meta meta data
... WE have meta meta data ←
12:32:01 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
12:32:37 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: During the F2F at Santa Clara we discussed SLAs and thought it was probably the wrong term. It's good to look back at that discussion
Bernadette Farias Loscio: During the F2F at Santa Clara we discussed SLAs and thought it was probably the wrong term. It's good to look back at that discussion ←
12:32:47 <phila> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
12:32:48 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
12:33:17 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I think it's useful to have a sort of commitment. When an entity makes a commitment, that's a potential reason for using a dataset.
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I think it's useful to have a sort of commitment. When an entity makes a commitment, that's a potential reason for using a dataset. ←
12:33:28 <phila> ... I'm still puzzled by the use of the word service.
... I'm still puzzled by the use of the word service. ←
12:33:45 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
12:33:55 <phila> ... If there is no social contract then even an SLA commitment might be better.
... If there is no social contract then even an SLA commitment might be better. ←
12:34:19 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
12:34:30 <phila> ... Sorry if ontologists have strange concepts sometimes. Whewn you make a pledge, you generally have in mind someone who will receive that commitment.
... Sorry if ontologists have strange concepts sometimes. Whewn you make a pledge, you generally have in mind someone who will receive that commitment. ←
12:34:34 <phila> ... Who has the claim here?
... Who has the claim here? ←
12:34:46 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
12:35:02 <phila> antoine: maybe the erminology is the problem.
Antoine Isaac: maybe the terminology is the problem. ←
12:35:26 <phila> antoine: Would the term policy, as defined by ODRL, be applicable
Antoine Isaac: Would the term policy, as defined by ODRL, be applicable ←
12:35:33 <deirdrelee> s/erminology/terminology
12:35:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Do we have a link to the definition ?
Riccardo Albertoni: Do we have a link to the definition ? ←
12:36:04 <nandana> http://www.w3.org/ns/odrl/2/#term-Policy
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: http://www.w3.org/ns/odrl/2/#term-Policy ←
12:37:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
12:37:44 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
12:37:47 <Makx> dct:conformsTo
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12:37:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
12:37:54 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
12:37:58 <antoine> Makx++
Antoine Isaac: Makx++ ←
12:38:33 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
12:39:03 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
12:39:15 <phila> antoine: I agree with Phil that it's not standard
Antoine Isaac: I agree with Phil that it's not standard ←
12:39:28 <phila> ... but I really like dcterms:conformsTo as a property
... but I really like dcterms:conformsTo as a property ←
12:39:30 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
12:39:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
12:39:35 <phila> deirdrelee: So is that a proposal
Deirdre Lee: So is that a proposal ←
12:39:39 <Makx> A basis for comparison; a reference point against which other things can be evaluated
Makx Dekkers: A basis for comparison; a reference point against which other things can be evaluated ←
12:39:50 <nandana> q+ to ask whether antoine is proposing to use ordl:Policy or to define dqv:Policy instead of dqv:SLA
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: q+ to ask whether antoine is proposing to use ordl:Policy or to define dqv:Policy instead of dqv:SLA ←
12:39:59 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
12:40:22 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
12:41:49 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: thinks we should go for a proposal, and we will have an example showing how an SLA is modelled
Riccardo Albertoni: thinks we should go for a proposal, and we will have an example showing how an SLA is modelled [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
12:41:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yes
Riccardo Albertoni: yes ←
12:42:01 <phila> BernadetteLoscio:
12:42:06 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
12:42:15 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
12:42:30 <phila> If you're going to describe this commitment, maybe you should consider the measure you're going to use to describe the dataset.
If you're going to describe this commitment, maybe you should consider the measure you're going to use to describe the dataset. ←
12:42:42 <phila> ... The commitment should reflect the quality description
... The commitment should reflect the quality description ←
12:43:31 <phila> ack nandana
ack nandana ←
12:43:31 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to ask whether antoine is proposing to use ordl:Policy or to define dqv:Policy instead of dqv:SLA
Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to ask whether antoine is proposing to use ordl:Policy or to define dqv:Policy instead of dqv:SLA ←
12:44:24 <phila> nandana: At some point I think I understood that we don't want to use the ODRL policy, but maybe we want dqv:Policy which might be a sub class of dcterms:Standard
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: At some point I think I understood that we don't want to use the ODRL policy, but maybe we want dqv:Policy which might be a sub class of dcterms:Standard ←
12:44:47 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
12:44:55 <phila> antoine: I think we should have just that - dqv:Policy rdfs:subClassOf dcterms:Standard and then an example
Antoine Isaac: I think we should have just that - dqv:Policy rdfs:subClassOf dcterms:Standard and then an example ←
12:45:10 <BernadetteLoscio> yes!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes! ←
12:45:17 <phila> antoine: I assume that what Berna has in mind is the dimensions?
Antoine Isaac: I assume that what Berna has in mind is the dimensions? ←
12:45:21 <nandana> I think antoine said dqv:QualityPolicy
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I think antoine said dqv:QualityPolicy ←
12:46:06 <phila> laufer: It's interesting to see the differnet users of he document about the quality. We have the publisher, the consumer, etc.
Carlos Laufer: It's interesting to see the differnet users of he document about the quality. We have the publisher, the consumer, etc. ←
12:46:14 <phila> ... maybe an intermediary
... maybe an intermediary ←
12:46:52 <phila> ... Users can make statemetns about the dataset, the service etc. That makes the info complicated
... Users can make statemetns about the dataset, the service etc. That makes the info complicated ←
12:46:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> replace the class dvq:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy (subclass of ODRL:policy ?!? ), and check against some "real" example if this works for the group
Riccardo Albertoni: replace the class dvq:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy (subclass of ODRL:policy ?!? ), and check against some "real" example if this works for the group ←
12:47:02 <phila> deirdrelee: Invites Antoine and Riccardo to wrap this up
Deirdre Lee: Invites Antoine and Riccardo to wrap this up ←
12:47:46 <nandana> dqv:QualityPolicy (subclass of dcterms:Standard)?
Scribe problem: the name 'dqv' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown dqv: QualityPolicy (subclass of dcterms:Standard)? [ Scribe Assist by Nandana Mihindukulasooriya ] ←
12:48:17 <antoine> Suggested re-write: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations
Antoine Isaac: Suggested re-write: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations ←
12:48:36 <phila> PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations
PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations ←
12:48:55 <phila> PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy
PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy ←
12:49:06 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
12:49:09 <phila> PROPOSED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations
PROPOSED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations ←
12:49:19 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
12:49:22 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
12:49:23 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I was thinking about what luafer said
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I was thinking about what luafer said ←
12:49:42 <phila> ... We have these differnet relationships between entities around the dataset
... We have these differnet relationships between entities around the dataset ←
12:50:01 <phila> ... I've made this dataset according to something else, like a quality policy
... I've made this dataset according to something else, like a quality policy ←
12:50:11 <phila> ... Perhapos there is a general pattern to unify the two vocabs
... Perhapos there is a general pattern to unify the two vocabs ←
12:50:33 <nandana> +1, we should also investigate a bit about odrl:Policy semantics as the definition didn't say much
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1, we should also investigate a bit about odrl:Policy semantics as the definition didn't say much ←
12:50:37 <phila> ... You have certain activities... I can use a certain dataset, committing not to do sometehing... differnet roles and activities
... You have certain activities... I can use a certain dataset, committing not to do sometehing... differnet roles and activities ←
12:51:06 <antoine> ODRL has prohibitions as part of the Policy
Antoine Isaac: ODRL has prohibitions as part of the Policy ←
12:51:48 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: Explores various relationships between different actors.
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Explores various relationships between different actors. ←
12:52:24 <phila> ... The pattern will be the same in DQV and DUV
... The pattern will be the same in DQV and DUV ←
12:52:42 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: Not sure if I understand the proposal of Giancarlo
Riccardo Albertoni: Not sure if I understand the proposal of Giancarlo ←
12:53:04 <phila> antoine: If people want to represent these things, then that's when they can go and look into ODRL
Antoine Isaac: If people want to represent these things, then that's when they can go and look into ODRL ←
12:53:20 <phila> ... ODRL includes way to exprfess constraints and prohibitions
... ODRL includes way to exprfess constraints and prohibitions ←
12:53:36 <phila> ... it might be a good thing to point to odrl:Policy
... it might be a good thing to point to odrl:Policy ←
12:53:41 <phila> PROPOSED: Replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy
PROPOSED: Replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy ←
12:53:41 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Polic
PROPOSED: 1. replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy ←
12:54:08 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
12:54:09 <antoine> s/odrl:Polic/odrl:Policy
12:54:09 <phila> 0 (I don't think dcterms:Standard is right but I defer to Makx)
0 (I don't think dcterms:Standard is right but I defer to Makx) ←
12:54:10 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
12:54:13 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
12:54:17 <newtonca_> +0
Newton Calegari: +0 ←
12:54:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:54:18 <BernadetteLoscio> 0
12:54:22 <Gisele> 0
Gisele Pappa: 0 ←
12:54:44 <PeterWinstanley_> 0
12:54:48 <phila> Splitting the proposal
Splitting the proposal ←
12:54:50 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy,
PROPOSED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy, ←
12:54:52 <RiccardoAlbertoni> let's split in two..
Riccardo Albertoni: let's split in two.. ←
12:54:58 <phila> +1
+1 ←
12:54:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:55:00 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 ←
12:55:02 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
12:55:02 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
12:55:03 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
12:55:03 <PeterWinstanley_> +1
Peter Winstanley: +1 ←
12:55:04 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:55:07 <jerdeb> 0 (i am still not sure about the concept fitting quality metadata - but will give my views after seeing an example)
Jeremy Debattista: 0 (i am still not sure about the concept fitting quality metadata - but will give my views after seeing an example) ←
12:55:23 <phila> RESOLVED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy
RESOLVED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy ←
12:55:41 <phila> RESOLUTION: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy
RESOLVED: replace current dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement with dqv:QualityPolicy ←
12:55:41 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: dqv:QualityPolicy will be subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy
Deirdre Lee: PROPOSED: dqv:QualityPolicy will be subclass of dcterms:Standard and odrl:Policy ←
12:55:54 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
12:56:05 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: dqv:QualityPolicy will be subclass of dcterms:Standard
PROPOSED: dqv:QualityPolicy will be subclass of dcterms:Standard ←
12:56:13 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
12:56:16 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:56:19 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
12:56:21 <phila> +0 Only 0 not -1 because Makx thinks it's right
+0 Only 0 not -1 because Makx thinks it's right ←
12:56:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:56:21 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
12:56:28 <PeterWinstanley_> 0
12:56:35 <BernadetteLoscio> 0
12:56:39 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> 0
12:56:47 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_ ←
12:57:08 <antoine> we can add a specific ISSUE about this to call for feedback
Antoine Isaac: we can add a specific ISSUE about this to call for feedback ←
12:57:09 <PeterWinstanley_> policy is not a standard
Peter Winstanley: policy is not a standard ←
12:57:18 <jerdeb> 0
12:57:25 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
12:57:37 <phila> +1 to antoine adding it as a specific issue
+1 to antoine adding it as a specific issue ←
12:57:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
12:58:14 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations
PROPOSED: 2. add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations ←
12:58:23 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
12:58:24 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
12:58:26 <phila> +1
+1 ←
12:58:26 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 ←
12:58:32 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
12:58:32 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
12:58:32 <jerdeb> +1
Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←
12:58:36 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
12:58:45 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
12:58:45 <PeterWinstanley_> +1
Peter Winstanley: +1 ←
12:58:47 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
12:58:47 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
12:59:05 <phila> RESOLVED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations
RESOLVED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations ←
12:59:11 <phila> RESOLUTION: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations
RESOLVED: Add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations ←
12:59:28 <phila> action: riccardo to add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations
ACTION: riccardo to add an example with an SLA as Quality Policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations ←
12:59:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-203 - Add an example with an sla as quality policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-10-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-203 - Add an example with an sla as quality policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-10-01]. ←
13:00:33 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:00:40 <phila> deirdrelee: Because we doidn't resolve to make it a subclass of dcterms:Standard, I assumed we have not resolved the odrl:Policy issue as wll
Deirdre Lee: Because we didn't resolve to make it a subclass of dcterms:Standard, I assumed we have not resolved the odrl:Policy issue as wll ←
13:00:45 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
13:00:55 <phila> s/doid/did/
13:01:01 <phila> issue-185?
13:01:01 <trackbot> issue-185 -- dqv:QualityAnnotation modeling issues -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-185 -- dqv:QualityAnnotation modeling issues -- open ←
13:01:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/185
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/185 ←
13:01:06 <phila> q?
q? ←
13:01:23 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: That was raised by Antoine.
Riccardo Albertoni: That was raised by Antoine. ←
13:02:17 <phila> antoine: Actually I;m not si sure what the issue was except a general call for feedback
Antoine Isaac: Actually I;m not si sure what the issue was except a general call for feedback ←
13:02:58 <phila> antoine: We would recommend that the instances of this class ?? from Open Annotation
Antoine Isaac: We would recommend that the instances of this class ?? from Open Annotation ←
13:03:29 <phila> ... this was a call for feedback. There has not been a lot of feedback,. so maybe that foodback will come when we look at DUV. For now though I'd say this issue can be closed.
... this was a call for feedback. There has not been a lot of feedback,. so maybe that foodback will come when we look at DUV. For now though I'd say this issue can be closed. ←
13:03:37 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:03:44 <phila> ... If everyone's OK I'd say we could resolve to close.
... If everyone's OK I'd say we could resolve to close. ←
13:04:07 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:04:10 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: Just wondering whether motivation should refer to ao SKOS concept - do we need a spedcific taxonomy?
Riccardo Albertoni: Just wondering whether motivation should refer to ao SKOS concept - do we need a spedcific taxonomy? ←
13:04:20 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
13:04:24 <phila> q+
q+ ←
13:04:29 <phila> ack an
ack an ←
13:04:30 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:04:40 <nandana> oa:Annotation -> http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e434
Scribe problem: the name 'oa' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oa: Annotation -> http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e434 [ Scribe Assist by Nandana Mihindukulasooriya ] ←
13:04:46 <phila> antoine: My feeling is that we should just show some examples but not represent all possible motivations
Antoine Isaac: My feeling is that we should just show some examples but not represent all possible motivations ←
13:04:48 <phila> q-
q- ←
13:05:07 <phila> antoine: One exception might be that the quality dimensions coujld be modelled as motivations - but I'm not sure
Antoine Isaac: One exception might be that the quality dimensions coujld be modelled as motivations - but I'm not sure ←
13:05:29 <nandana> oa:motivatedBy -> http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e230
Scribe problem: the name 'oa' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oa: motivatedBy -> http://www.w3.org/ns/oa#d4e230 [ Scribe Assist by Nandana Mihindukulasooriya ] ←
13:05:35 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:05:41 <phila> BernadetteLoscio:
13:06:01 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:06:03 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The issue is the modelling or the usage of hte annotation? It's not clear what is a quality annotation?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: The issue is the modelling or the usage of hte annotation? It's not clear what is a quality annotation? ←
13:06:12 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:06:48 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: AIUI, the ontology's vision is that you have to indicate the moitivation for your annotation and that's usually expressed as a SKOS concept.
Riccardo Albertoni: AIUI, the ontology's vision is that you have to indicate the moitivation for your annotation and that's usually expressed as a SKOS concept. ←
13:06:55 <phila> ... it could be a post or a reply
... it could be a post or a reply ←
13:06:59 <phila> ... etc.
... etc. ←
13:07:15 <phila> ... We could have a basic taxonomy?
... We could have a basic taxonomy? ←
13:07:54 <phila> q+ to ask whether OA defines a taxonomy of motivation
q+ to ask whether OA defines a taxonomy of motivation ←
13:08:41 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:08:57 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
13:09:11 <phila> antoine: I realised I've not been super clear... the proposal is to have at least one concept defined in our namespace - quality assessment. We can do that easily enough
Antoine Isaac: I realised I've not been super clear... the proposal is to have at least one concept defined in our namespace - quality assessment. We can do that easily enough ←
13:09:28 <phila> ... and then if they want to define sub concepts of that, OK
... and then if they want to define sub concepts of that, OK ←
13:09:30 <phila> q-
q- ←
13:09:36 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ok
Riccardo Albertoni: ok ←
13:09:43 <phila> ... I think we should just have this one concept
... I think we should just have this one concept ←
13:09:57 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi_: A comment about the relationship between user feedback and quality annotation
Giancarlo Guizzardi: A comment about the relationship between user feedback and quality annotation ←
13:09:57 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:10:02 <phila> ... user feedback can be about anything
... user feedback can be about anything ←
13:10:29 <phila> ... maybe the user feedback in data usage is more general than one that makes any statement about quality
... maybe the user feedback in data usage is more general than one that makes any statement about quality ←
13:10:35 <phila> q- Giancarlo_Guizzardi_
q- Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ ←
13:10:40 <phila> ack laufer
ack laufer ←
13:10:42 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:11:10 <phila> laufer: I don't want to try and define quality, but when we talk about annotation, we can say whether the annotation is quality info or not
Carlos Laufer: I don't want to try and define quality, but when we talk about annotation, we can say whether the annotation is quality info or not ←
13:11:24 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
13:11:26 <phila> RRSAgent, darft minutes
RRSAgent, darft minutes ←
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13:11:33 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
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13:11:50 <phila> deirdrelee: Would it make sense 165 and move on to 185?
Deirdre Lee: Would it make sense 165 and move on to 185? ←
13:11:51 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi_ ←
13:12:22 <deirdrelee> close issue-185 and move to issue-165
Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-185 and move to ISSUE-165 ←
13:12:27 <phila> Giancarlo_Guizzardi_: We could capture what kind of metric/dimension this annotation is about
Giancarlo Guizzardi: We could capture what kind of metric/dimension this annotation is about ←
13:12:30 <antoine> Giancarlo_Guizzardi++
Antoine Isaac: Giancarlo_Guizzardi++ ←
13:12:38 <antoine> (thought that would be a different issue)
Antoine Isaac: (thought that would be a different issue) ←
13:12:48 <phila> q+
q+ ←
13:13:02 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:13:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:13:49 <antoine> PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment.
PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment. ←
13:13:51 <phila> phila: I like Giancarlo_Guizzardi_'s ideas but they sound like something for hte lab, not the real world.
Phil Archer: I like Giancarlo_Guizzardi_'s ideas but they sound like something for hte lab, not the real world. ←
13:14:31 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Just a comment - we have the policy that says what is expected, the quality statement by the publisher and the assessment of the user
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Just a comment - we have the policy that says what is expected, the quality statement by the publisher and the assessment of the user ←
13:14:51 <phila> ... so maybe it would be nice to define everything using the same dimensions
... so maybe it would be nice to define everything using the same dimensions ←
13:15:31 <phila> q+
q+ ←
13:15:42 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:15:45 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:16:16 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:16:39 <deirdrelee> phila: if every instance of the class has a particular property, can't you add that inthedefinition of the class. could you use owl to say that they property oa:motivation exists? otherwise redundent triples
Phil Archer: if every instance of the class has a particular property, can't you add that inthedefinition of the class. could you use owl to say that they property oa:motivation exists? otherwise redundent triples [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
13:16:45 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:17:16 <phila> phila: If the same triples are always defined, do we need to state them. Can we do it without having to state those triples every time?
Phil Archer: If the same triples are always defined, do we need to state them. Can we do it without having to state those triples every time? ←
13:17:27 <phila> antoine: Yes, you define it as an OWN equivalent class with those features
Antoine Isaac: Yes, you define it as an OWL equivalent class with those features ←
13:17:37 <antoine> s/OWN/OWL
13:17:50 <phila> PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment
PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment ←
13:18:08 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:18:23 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi_> +1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 ←
13:18:24 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
13:18:25 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:18:26 <yaso> 0
Yaso Córdova: 0 ←
13:18:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:18:28 <PeterWinstanley_> 0
13:18:29 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
13:18:34 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:18:49 <phila> PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment. This will be included in the definition using OWL constructs
13:19:47 <phila> s/PROPOSED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment. This will be included in the definition using OWL constructs//
13:19:50 <phila> +1
+1 ←
13:20:05 <phila> RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment
RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment ←
13:20:06 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment
RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment ←
13:20:14 <phila> RESOLUTION: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment
RESOLVED: dqv:QualityAnnotation is a subclass of oa:Annotation. The instances of this class should have one oa:motivatedBy statement with a an instance of oa:Motivation (and skos:Concept), which reflects a quality assessment purpose. We define this instance as dqv:qualityAssessment ←
13:20:29 <phila> == Short Break ==
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13:20:41 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
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13:20:47 <Caroline_> 5min break
Caroline Burle: 5min break ←
13:20:57 <BernadetteLoscio> dqv:qualityAssessement is defined on the model?
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13:24:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Antoine, is there any issues you want to focus in particular .. ?
Riccardo Albertoni: Antoine, is there any issues you want to focus in particular .. ? ←
13:25:40 <antoine> I think we could try to NOT discuss the provenance issues, which are very technical (181). The voc management ones could be postponed, but I guess they will be naturally as they are at the end :)
Antoine Isaac: I think we could try to NOT discuss the provenance issues, which are very technical (181). The voc management ones could be postponed, but I guess they will be naturally as they are at the end :) ←
13:26:13 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Ok
Riccardo Albertoni: Ok ←
13:27:40 <antoine> Riccardo, I think we should focus on 165, 187, 190, 164, 153, and GeoDCAT-AP
Antoine Isaac: Riccardo, I think we should focus on 165, 187, 190, 164, 153, and GeoDCAT-AP ←
13:27:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> let's go for the 165 ? which I am afraid will bring lot of discussion .. what do you think .. and then 187 I think there is a kind of consensus about keep the cardinality between dimension and metric as in DAq so I suppose we can easily close it ..
Riccardo Albertoni: let's go for the 165 ? which I am afraid will bring lot of discussion .. what do you think .. and then 187 I think there is a kind of consensus about keep the cardinality between dimension and metric as in DAq so I suppose we can easily close it .. ←
13:28:27 <antoine> 165 is needed as per the connection to DUV
Antoine Isaac: 165 is needed as per the connection to DUV ←
13:29:04 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ok
Riccardo Albertoni: ok ←
13:29:50 <antoine> 187 may not be so consensual. Actually I had understood that the consensus was rather on not keeping the cardinality from daQ, i.e. relax it.
Antoine Isaac: 187 may not be so consensual. Actually I had understood that the consensus was rather on not keeping the cardinality from daQ, i.e. relax it. ←
13:30:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ok let's go for 165, 187, 190, 164, 153, and GeoDCAT-AP ..
Riccardo Albertoni: ok let's go for 165, 187, 190, 164, 153, and GeoDCAT-AP .. ←
13:36:20 <yaso> antoine: this is issue 165
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Antoine Isaac: this is ISSUE-165 ←
13:36:27 <deirdrelee> issue-165
13:36:27 <trackbot> issue-165 -- What is the relation between duv:Feedback and dqv:UserFeedback? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-165 -- What is the relation between duv:Feedback and dqv:UserFeedback? -- open ←
13:36:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/165
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/165 ←
13:36:34 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/165
http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/165 ←
13:36:36 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:37:01 <yaso> antoine: user feedback is a kind of quality annotation
Antoine Isaac: user feedback is a kind of quality annotation ←
13:37:53 <yaso> q?
q? ←
13:37:55 <nandana> DUV -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html#Vocab_Overview
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: DUV -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html#Vocab_Overview ←
13:38:01 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
13:38:40 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: things like correction and suggestion
Giancarlo Guizzardi: things like correction and suggestion ←
13:38:55 <yaso> ... you can say "I don't like this vocab" and etc
... you can say "I don't like this vocab" and etc ←
13:39:05 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:39:10 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:39:11 <yaso> ... no all feedback is quality annotation
... no all feedback is quality annotation ←
13:39:11 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:39:12 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
13:39:19 <yaso> ack antoine
ack antoine ←
13:39:30 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:39:43 <yaso> antoine: actually i completely understand what Giancarlo_Guizzardi said
Antoine Isaac: actually i completely understand what Giancarlo_Guizzardi said ←
13:40:14 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:40:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to QualityUserFeedback
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to QualityUserFeedback ←
13:40:25 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: that was going to be my suggestion
Giancarlo Guizzardi: that was going to be my suggestion ←
13:41:08 <yaso> q?
q? ←
13:41:33 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:41:50 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:41:55 <yaso> laufer: my question is to Giancarlo_Guizzardi: if only sometimes feedback are quality information, how can we say that an annotation is a quality information if we don'tlate it to a dimension
Carlos Laufer: my question is to Giancarlo_Guizzardi: if only sometimes feedback are quality information, how can we say that an annotation is a quality information if we don'tlate it to a dimension ←
13:43:07 <yaso> laufer: yes, but how say to the user that he can or not put this information in this document
Carlos Laufer: yes, but how say to the user that he can or not put this information in this document ←
13:43:11 <nandana> +q to ask whether it was intentionally left Feedback to cover more things than user feedback? (so instead of using dqv:UserQualityFeedback and use just dqv:QualityFeedback)
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +q to ask whether it was intentionally left Feedback to cover more things than user feedback? (so instead of using dqv:UserQualityFeedback and use just dqv:QualityFeedback) ←
13:43:17 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:43:27 <PeterWinstanley> present+ PeterWinstanley
Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley ←
13:44:01 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I think this has to do with the issue regarding user Feedback
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I think this has to do with the issue regarding user Feedback ←
13:44:14 <deirdrelee> ack PeterWinstanley
Deirdre Lee: ack PeterWinstanley ←
13:44:17 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
13:45:12 <yaso> phila: in practice, you might have a CKAN portal, somebody makes use of a dataset - it's hard to get people to fit at your data model
Phil Archer: in practice, you might have a CKAN portal, somebody makes use of a dataset - it's hard to get people to fit at your data model ←
13:45:34 <yaso> ... if it's a machine that is going to classify your data then you can have a more complicated model
... if it's a machine that is going to classify your data then you can have a more complicated model ←
13:45:46 <yaso> ... but if otherwise, not
... but if otherwise, not ←
13:46:21 <yaso> ... we should keep a strong focus on how it will be in a real world, with real application
... we should keep a strong focus on how it will be in a real world, with real application ←
13:46:30 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:46:57 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: we were discussing if we should have specific types of feedback
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we were discussing if we should have specific types of feedback ←
13:47:16 <yaso> ... if we want to specify the types of feedback
... if we want to specify the types of feedback ←
13:47:50 <deirdrelee> ack nandana
Deirdre Lee: ack nandana ←
13:47:50 <Zakim> nandana, you wanted to ask whether it was intentionally left Feedback to cover more things than user feedback? (so instead of using dqv:UserQualityFeedback and use just
Zakim IRC Bot: nandana, you wanted to ask whether it was intentionally left Feedback to cover more things than user feedback? (so instead of using dqv:UserQualityFeedback and use just ←
13:47:51 <yaso> ... if we decide that we are going to have just feedback, so it fits the data usage vocab
... if we decide that we are going to have just feedback, so it fits the data usage vocab ←
13:47:54 <Zakim> ... dqv:QualityFeedback)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... dqv:QualityFeedback) ←
13:48:11 <yaso> nandana: you said feedback specifically
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: you said feedback specifically ←
13:49:06 <yaso> ack antoine
ack antoine ←
13:49:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:49:48 <BernadetteLoscio> q_
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q_ ←
13:49:58 <nandana> I was just referring to the difference Feedback and *User*Feedback
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I was just referring to the difference Feedback and *User*Feedback ←
13:50:47 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I think we can keep feedback general
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we can keep feedback general ←
13:51:11 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Proposal: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback
PROPOSED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback ←
13:51:44 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: but tomorrow we are going to discuss if we are going to have this subclass, right?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: but tomorrow we are going to discuss if we are going to have this subclass, right? ←
13:51:56 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Feedback = UserFeedback (as far as I understand it). You are right that only one of them should be used
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Feedback = UserFeedback (as far as I understand it). You are right that only one of them should be used ←
13:52:02 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Proposal: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass
PROPOSED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass ←
13:52:07 <yaso> antoine: right now I don't feel that is incompatible with this decision
Antoine Isaac: right now I don't feel that is incompatible with this decision ←
13:52:37 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:52:43 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:52:46 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:53:00 <yaso> antoine: I like the fact that is from users
Antoine Isaac: I like the fact that is from users ←
13:53:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:53:11 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
13:53:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to antoine
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to antoine ←
13:53:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1 (terminologically speaking it seems like a good idea)
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 (terminologically speaking it seems like a good idea) ←
13:53:39 <yaso> it will be interesting to keep the user on the label of the class
it will be interesting to keep the user on the label of the class ←
13:53:55 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> in that case we would have UserFeedback that is specialized in QualityUserFeedback
Giancarlo Guizzardi: in that case we would have UserFeedback that is specialized in QualityUserFeedback ←
13:53:58 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
13:54:01 <yaso> deirdrelee: ok so for now we will keep the user on the class
Deirdre Lee: ok so for now we will keep the user on the class ←
13:54:06 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> which in turn specializes QualityAnnotation
Giancarlo Guizzardi: which in turn specializes QualityAnnotation ←
13:54:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Proposal: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass
PROPOSED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass ←
13:54:11 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:54:13 <yaso> .... and in terms of ricardo's proposal
.... and in terms of ricardo's proposal ←
13:54:13 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
13:54:21 <jerdeb> +1
Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←
13:54:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:54:23 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:54:43 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:54:45 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I guess that if we agree with antoine, feedback should be userFeedback
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I guess that if we agree with antoine, feedback should be UserFeedback ←
13:54:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yeah please
Riccardo Albertoni: yeah please ←
13:54:58 <yaso> s/userFeedback/UserFeedback
13:55:00 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:UserFeedback subclass
Giancarlo Guizzardi: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:UserFeedback subclass ←
13:55:13 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:55:30 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
13:55:33 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:56:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
13:56:12 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:56:18 <yaso> deirdrelee: in general we agree with this?
Deirdre Lee: in general we agree with this? ←
13:56:20 <yaso> +1
+1 ←
13:56:24 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:56:28 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 ←
13:56:35 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:56:48 <yaso> close issue-165
13:56:48 <trackbot> Closed issue-165.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-165. ←
13:57:08 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass
RESOLVED: rename DQV:UserFeedback with dqv:QualityUserFeedback making it as duv:Feedback subclass ←
13:57:38 <yaso> antoine: we proposed to move to issue-187
Antoine Isaac: we proposed to move to ISSUE-187 ←
13:57:45 <deirdrelee> issue-187
13:57:45 <trackbot> issue-187 -- Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-187 -- Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)? -- open ←
13:57:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/187
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/187 ←
13:58:25 <yaso> Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)?
Do we want to keep the same occurrence constraints as defined in DAQ (for example, that every metric should belong to exactly one dimension)? ←
13:58:36 <yaso> q?
q? ←
13:59:09 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
13:59:36 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
13:59:42 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
13:59:53 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: dimension would be a quality dimension, like height etc
Giancarlo Guizzardi: dimension would be a quality dimension, like height etc ←
13:59:56 <jerdeb> q+ to clarify
Jeremy Debattista: q+ to clarify ←
14:00:54 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: so availability would be a sort of dimension
Giancarlo Guizzardi: so availability would be a sort of dimension ←
14:01:09 <yaso> antoine: right now it belongs to one dimension
Antoine Isaac: right now it belongs to one dimension ←
14:01:21 <yaso> ... imagine that uptime could be a metric for availability
... imagine that uptime could be a metric for availability ←
14:01:40 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
14:01:40 <BernadetteLoscio> antoine: I can't find dqv:qualityAssessement in the model
Bernadette Farias Loscio: antoine - I can't find dqv:qualityAssessement in the model ←
14:01:52 <deirdrelee> ack jerdeb
Deirdre Lee: ack jerdeb ←
14:01:52 <Zakim> jerdeb, you wanted to clarify
Zakim IRC Bot: jerdeb, you wanted to clarify ←
14:02:10 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
14:02:13 <yaso> jerdeb: a dimension is made of many metrics
Jeremy Debattista: a dimension is made of many metrics ←
14:02:24 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: yes the idea is that we've resolved to add it
Antoine Isaac: BernadetteLoscio - yes the idea is that we've resolved to add it ←
14:02:35 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: then I would change the description in the document
Giancarlo Guizzardi: then I would change the description in the document ←
14:02:45 <yaso> ... it is a bit confusing
... it is a bit confusing ←
14:02:57 <antoine> yes the wording with "unit" is confusing
Antoine Isaac: yes the wording with "unit" is confusing ←
14:03:12 <phila> s/antoine: I can/antoine - I can/
14:03:19 <nandana> DAQ diagram -> http://butterbur04.iai.uni-bonn.de/ontologies/daq/daq#_introduction
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: DAQ diagram -> http://butterbur04.iai.uni-bonn.de/ontologies/daq/daq#_introduction ←
14:03:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
14:03:25 <BernadetteLoscio> antoine: ok! sorry :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: antoine - ok! sorry :) ←
14:03:27 <phila> s/BernadetteLoscio: yes the idea/BernadetteLoscio - yes the idea/
14:03:39 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
14:04:13 <phila> s/antoine: ok! sorr/antoine - ok! sorr/
14:04:14 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
14:04:29 <yaso> RiccardoAlbertoni: I was wondering if Giancarlo_Guizzardi can write the definition that he suggested
Riccardo Albertoni: I was wondering if Giancarlo_Guizzardi can write the definition that he suggested ←
14:05:16 <Gisele> RiccardoAlbertoni: we are closig the issue and keeping the constraints
Riccardo Albertoni: we are closig the issue and keeping the constraints [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ] ←
14:05:18 <antoine> -1
Antoine Isaac: -1 ←
14:05:19 <jerdeb> q+
Jeremy Debattista: q+ ←
14:05:24 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> A Metric is not a unit of measuring. An Observation (QualityMeasure) assigns a value in a given unit to a Metric
Giancarlo Guizzardi: A Metric is not a unit of measuring. An Observation (QualityMeasure) assigns a value in a given unit to a Metric ←
14:05:43 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
14:06:08 <Gisele> jerdeb: I suggest that we use these constraints and propose to provide guidelines
Jeremy Debattista: I suggest that we use these constraints and propose to provide guidelines [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ] ←
14:06:22 <Gisele> ... I believe we should keep than as guidelines but not formally constrain them
Gisele Pappa: ... I believe we should keep than as guidelines but not formally constrain them ←
14:06:33 <antoine> jerdeb++ it's really great that you've consulted with colleagues!
Antoine Isaac: jerdeb++ it's really great that you've consulted with colleagues! ←
14:06:36 <Gisele> ... we should still provide guidelines
Gisele Pappa: ... we should still provide guidelines ←
14:06:39 <nandana> +1 to jerdeb
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to jerdeb ←
14:06:48 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:07:06 <Gisele> deirdrelee: that would mean that the concepts we use would have no constraints but only guidelines
Deirdre Lee: that would mean that the concepts we use would have no constraints but only guidelines [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ] ←
14:07:08 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> I meant "Unit of Measurement" instead of "unit of measuring" (although DQV mentions "unit of measuring")
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I meant "Unit of Measurement" instead of "unit of measuring" (although DQV mentions "unit of measuring") ←
14:07:39 <phila> q+ to ask if a metric is a slice
Phil Archer: q+ to ask if a metric is a slice ←
14:07:52 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
14:08:04 <deirdrelee> ack jerdeb
Deirdre Lee: ack jerdeb ←
14:08:06 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
14:08:06 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask if a metric is a slice
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask if a metric is a slice ←
14:08:30 <Gisele> phila: aguideline is a slice thourgh a hypercube
Phil Archer: aguideline is a slice thourgh a datacube [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ] ←
14:08:50 <nandana> s/hypercube/datacube/
14:08:53 <Gisele> ..i'trying to match what are saying with my knoeldge on data cube
Gisele Pappa: ..i'trying to match what are saying with my knoeldge on data cube ←
14:09:14 <Gisele> RiccardoAlbertoni: we can have slices from multiple observation but im not sure
Jeremy Debattista: we can have slices from multiple observation but im not sure [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ] ←
14:09:39 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
14:09:50 <Gisele> deirdrelee: proposal for issue 187
Deirdre Lee: proposal for ISSUE-187 [ Scribe Assist by Gisele Pappa ] ←
14:10:16 <RiccardoAlbertoni> s/RiccardoAlbertoni/jerdeb
14:10:34 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Don't keep the constraints from DAQ but provide guidelines
PROPOSED: Don't keep the constraints from DAQ but provide guidelines ←
14:10:44 <ericstephan> good morning phila :-)
Eric Stephan: good morning phila :-) ←
14:10:44 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
14:10:46 <BernadetteLoscio> Hi Eric! :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Hi Eric! :) ←
14:10:47 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
14:10:50 <phila> +1 Noting that DAQ is moving in the same direction
Phil Archer: +1 Noting that DAQ is moving in the same direction ←
14:10:51 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
14:10:51 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:10:53 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
14:10:57 <yaso> q?
q? ←
14:10:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:11:04 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
14:11:07 <ericstephan> ericstephan present+
Eric Stephan: ericstephan present+ ←
14:11:08 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
14:11:13 <jerdeb> +1 (will remove constraints from daQ as well)
Jeremy Debattista: +1 (will remove constraints from daQ as well) ←
14:11:28 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: what do we mean by "provide guidelines"
Giancarlo Guizzardi: what do we mean by "provide guidelines" ←
14:11:44 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Don't keep the constraints from DAQ but provide guidelines
RESOLVED: Don't keep the constraints from DAQ but provide guidelines ←
14:11:54 <yaso> close issue-187
14:11:54 <trackbot> Closed issue-187.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-187. ←
14:12:02 <yaso> issue-189
14:12:02 <trackbot> issue-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open ←
14:12:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189 ←
14:12:10 <deirdrelee> ack Gisele
Deirdre Lee: ack Gisele ←
14:12:13 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
14:13:52 <yaso> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we could have a uniform threatment of this part of the model. So I was wondering if we are going to have a discussion on this, or it will be discussed my email.. It's a general question
Giancarlo Guizzardi: we could have a uniform treatment of this part of the model. So I was wondering if we are going to have a discussion on this, or it will be discussed my email.. It's a general question ←
14:14:07 <deirdrelee> s/threatment/treatment
14:14:15 <yaso> ... there's a lot of work here that we could use, there's a lot o discussions here
... there's a lot of work here that we could use, there's a lot o discussions here ←
14:14:42 <yaso> q?
q? ←
14:15:07 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Ok. Thanks
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Ok. Thanks ←
14:15:43 <deirdrelee> issue-189
14:15:43 <trackbot> issue-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open ←
14:15:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189 ←
14:16:51 <yaso> antoine: in our patter for measure on the quality of datasets there will be a connexion between
Antoine Isaac: in our patter for measure on the quality of datasets there will be a connexion between ←
14:18:27 <RiccardoAlbertoni> to phila http://jiemakel.github.io/aether/#/
Riccardo Albertoni: to phila http://jiemakel.github.io/aether/#/ ←
14:19:22 <yaso> ... the question is if we are comfortable with a more complex proposal and if we should try to reflex this in the document
... the question is if we are comfortable with a more complex proposal and if we should try to reflect this in the document ←
14:19:39 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
14:19:39 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:19:42 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
14:19:47 <yaso> s/reflex/reflect/
14:19:52 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
14:21:02 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:21:32 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: present+ BernadetteLoscio ←
14:21:45 <nandana> q+ to say Aether is more about statistics and DAQ is more about quality
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: q+ to say Aether is more about statistics and DAQ is more about quality ←
14:21:46 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> A known proposal in the subject actually comes from VU: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj177_7.pdf
Giancarlo Guizzardi: A known proposal in the subject actually comes from VU: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj177_7.pdf ←
14:22:38 <antoine> can I try to re-phrase the problem?
Antoine Isaac: can I try to re-phrase the problem? ←
14:23:56 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
14:24:12 <yaso> ack antoine
ack antoine ←
14:24:33 <antoine> <http://data.europeana.eu/void/Dataset> <http://ldf.fi/void-ext#averageLiteralLength> "62,014"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#decimal> ;
Antoine Isaac: <http://data.europeana.eu/void/Dataset> <http://ldf.fi/void-ext#averageLiteralLength> "62,014"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#decimal> ; ←
14:25:03 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> Other relevant references are: http://www.qudt.org, https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=quomos. We also did some work on that which could be relevant: http://www.inf.ufes.br/~gguizzardi/PID2733627.pdf and http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-1301/ontocomodise2014_9.pdf
Giancarlo Guizzardi: Other relevant references are: http://www.qudt.org, https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=quomos. We also did some work on that which could be relevant: http://www.inf.ufes.br/~gguizzardi/PID2733627.pdf and http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-1301/ontocomodise2014_9.pdf ←
14:25:37 <nandana> q-
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: q- ←
14:26:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
14:26:39 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion
Phil Archer: q+ to make a suggestion ←
14:26:42 <yaso> antoine: this about it and decide if this is something that we are comfortable with
Antoine Isaac: this about it and decide if this is something that we are comfortable with ←
14:26:55 <phila> scribe: Giancarlo_Guizzardi
(Scribe set to Giancarlo Guizzardi)
14:27:28 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
14:28:58 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> RicardoAltertoni mentions that we need some of this complexity in the proposal but he also thinks that Antoin is right in advocating a simple way of representing statistics
RicardoAltertoni mentions that we need some of this complexity in the proposal but he also thinks that Antoin is right in advocating a simple way of representing statistics ←
14:29:26 <nandana> +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni. we might start with Aether but end up again something similar to DAQ if we want to represent the all the information to that we represent now
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 to RiccardoAlbertoni. we might start with Aether but end up again something similar to DAQ if we want to represent the all the information to that we represent now ←
14:29:28 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:29:34 <Seiji> q+
Seiji Isotani: q+ ←
14:30:08 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
14:30:08 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a suggestion ←
14:31:35 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to jerdeb
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to jerdeb ←
14:31:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
14:32:09 <Seiji> q-
Seiji Isotani: q- ←
14:33:12 <phila> phila: I asked whether it might be possible to treat Aether VoID as a quality meansure within DQV, or use a CONSTRUCT query to convert from one to the other. The answer was no.
Phil Archer: I asked whether it might be possible to treat Aether VoID as a quality meansure within DQV, or use a CONSTRUCT query to convert from one to the other. The answer was no. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:33:18 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> laufer, DQV is a way to besides the quality of the data, it semantically describes the data
laufer, DQV is a way to besides the quality of the data, it semantically describes the data ←
14:33:21 <deirdrelee> laufer: trying to understand issue. i think that dqv is a way of as well as describin quality data, we describe the semanticcs
Carlos Laufer: trying to understand issue. i think that dqv is a way of as well as describin quality data, we describe the semanticcs [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:33:41 <deirdrelee> ... void is description of the data,not the semantics of the informaiton. so void and dqv are two differnet things
Deirdre Lee: ... void is description of the data,not the semantics of the informaiton. so void and dqv are two differnet things ←
14:33:52 <deirdrelee> ... it is more complicated to describe the semantics ofthe data
Deirdre Lee: ... it is more complicated to describe the semantics ofthe data ←
14:33:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to laufer
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to laufer ←
14:33:58 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> laufer, these are two separate things. Describing the semantics of the quality of the data is more complicated but it is a more general model
laufer, these are two separate things. Describing the semantics of the quality of the data is more complicated but it is a more general model ←
14:33:59 <jerdeb> jerdeb: re transform Aether to daQ -> no this cannot happen because we do not know any quality information about the aether property, such as category and dimension which are important to daQ
Jeremy Debattista: re transform Aether to daQ -> no this cannot happen because we do not know any quality information about the aether property, such as category and dimension which are important to daQ [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Debattista ] ←
14:34:00 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:34:04 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
14:34:05 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:34:23 <deirdrelee> ... dav is a simpler model, but they don't have semantics
Deirdre Lee: ... dav is a simpler model, but they don't have semantics ←
14:34:51 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> riccardo, once you have described your property with DAQ, it is possible to serialized it Aether but not the other way around
riccardo, once you have described your property with DAQ, it is possible to serialized it Aether but not the other way around ←
14:34:57 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: it is difficult to erialise the results in the header as daq is more complex
Riccardo Albertoni: it is difficult to erialise the results in the header as daq is more complex [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:35:09 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> riccardo, the bridge can only be done in one direction
Riccardo Albertoni: the bridge can only be done in one direction ←
14:35:14 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:35:18 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
14:35:46 <deirdrelee> antoine: it's not that the void extension has not semantics. the semantics are in the properties
Antoine Isaac: it's not that the void extension has not semantics. the semantics are in the properties [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:35:51 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> antoin, it's not that the VoiD extension has no semantics.
antoin, it's not that the VoiD extension has no semantics. ←
14:35:52 <nandana> s/riccardo,/RiccardoAlbertoni:/
14:36:01 <deirdrelee> ... the semantics are not positions as a quality metric
Deirdre Lee: ... the semantics are not positions as a quality metric ←
14:36:16 <deirdrelee> ... we feel as a group not satisfied, that we're missing something
Deirdre Lee: ... we feel as a group not satisfied, that we're missing something ←
14:36:39 <deirdrelee> ... it must be possible to express these simple triples
Deirdre Lee: ... it must be possible to express these simple triples ←
14:37:17 <deirdrelee> laufer: agree we have semantics in the properties, but in dqv in the description there will be semantics, a more sophisticated way
Carlos Laufer: agree we have semantics in the properties, but in dqv in the description there will be semantics, a more sophisticated way [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:37:19 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:37:26 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
14:37:26 <phila> ack antoine
Phil Archer: ack antoine ←
14:37:42 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> antoine: we seem to be calling semantics different things
Antoine Isaac: we seem to be calling semantics different things ←
14:38:34 <phila> issue-189?
14:38:34 <trackbot> issue-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-189 -- Aether VoID extension uses a different from the pattern that DQV inherits from DAQ -- open ←
14:38:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/189 ←
14:38:35 <deirdrelee> ... we don't really have the means to find out they're about quality, they're just properties. dqv provides a framework that facilitates interoperability
Deirdre Lee: ... we don't really have the means to find out they're about quality, they're just properties. dqv provides a framework that facilitates interoperability ←
14:38:50 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: make a specific proposal around issue-189
Deirdre Lee: make a specific proposal around ISSUE-189 [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:39:57 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: proposal, keep dqv as it is,provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void
Riccardo Albertoni: proposal, keep dqv as it is,provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:40:39 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
14:40:49 <deirdrelee> antoine: we should have this for market adoption
Antoine Isaac: we should have this for market adoption [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:41:04 <deirdrelee> phila: i've been looking at aether, i'm happy to say we keep dqv as it is
Phil Archer: i've been looking at aether, i'm happy to say we keep dqv as it is [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:42:07 <deirdrelee> ... they're not antagonistic, we can extend dqv with aether, there are lots of other things that you could say about the dataset, not necessary to include
Deirdre Lee: ... they're not antagonistic, we can extend dqv with aether, there are lots of other things that you could say about the dataset, not necessary to include ←
14:42:10 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:42:12 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
14:42:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
14:42:58 <deirdrelee> antoine: really have doubts about it. i'm in a community where they'll look at vocab like aether and say this is quality
Antoine Isaac: really have doubts about it. i'm in a community where they'll look at vocab like aether and say this is quality [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:43:08 <phila> phila: That makes it sounds as if I don't like Aether voID - it looks very interesting. I just don't think it's necessarily something we should feel obliged to move towards/include as an example
Phil Archer: That makes it sounds as if I don't like Aether voID - it looks very interesting. I just don't think it's necessarily something we should feel obliged to move towards/include as an example [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:43:14 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
14:43:25 <deirdrelee> ... agree not all statistics are relevant for quality, but would like us to be stronger about
Deirdre Lee: ... agree not all statistics are relevant for quality, but would like us to be stronger about ←
14:43:39 <phila> PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void
PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void ←
14:43:45 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:43:50 <phila> ack l
Phil Archer: ack l ←
14:44:20 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:44:22 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9
Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9 ←
14:44:22 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
14:44:44 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa
Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me0913a1d1a11424af2809d6256da43aa ←
14:44:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
14:45:04 <deirdrelee> antoine: in my community this is important
Antoine Isaac: in my community this is important [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:45:14 <phila> q- an
Phil Archer: q- an ←
14:45:23 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void
PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to aether void ←
14:45:26 <jerdeb> -1 (because there are other ontologies like aether, such as lodstats)
Jeremy Debattista: -1 (because there are other ontologies like aether, such as lodstats) ←
14:45:27 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:45:37 <laufer> -1
Carlos Laufer: -1 ←
14:45:41 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
14:45:43 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:45:44 <deirdrelee> 0
Deirdre Lee: 0 ←
14:45:44 <PeterWinstanley_> +1
Peter Winstanley: +1 ←
14:45:44 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
14:45:47 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> 0
0 ←
14:45:52 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:45:53 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:45:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:45:56 <Gisele> 0
Gisele Pappa: 0 ←
14:45:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
14:47:15 <deirdrelee> anthoine: it doesn't have to be aether
Scribe problem: the name 'anthoine' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown anthoine: it doesn't have to be aether [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:47:16 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to another quality statistics vocabulary
PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how to convert daq to another quality statistics vocabulary ←
14:47:20 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
14:47:21 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
14:47:22 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:47:25 <jerdeb> +1
Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←
14:47:40 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
+1 ←
14:47:44 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
14:47:47 <antoine> +1 to "work with"
Antoine Isaac: +1 to "work with" ←
14:47:50 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:47:56 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:47:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:48:06 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary
PROPOSED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary ←
14:48:12 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
+1 ←
14:48:12 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:48:14 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
14:48:15 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
14:48:16 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
14:48:17 <jerdeb> +1
Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←
14:48:18 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
14:48:20 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
14:48:20 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:48:20 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:48:21 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary
RESOLVED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary ←
14:48:25 <nandana> _1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: _1 ←
14:48:29 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:48:31 <ericstephan> ++++++++++++++++++1
Eric Stephan: ++++++++++++++++++1 ←
14:48:37 <deirdrelee> close issue-189
Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-189 ←
14:48:37 <phila> RESOLUTION: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary
RESOLVED: keep dqv as it is, provide guidance on how daq can work with another quality statistics vocabulary ←
14:48:40 <trackbot> Closed issue-189.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-189. ←
14:48:52 <deirdrelee> issue-164
14:48:52 <trackbot> issue-164 -- Are statistics about a dataset a kind of quality info we need to include in the data quality vocabulary? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-164 -- Are statistics about a dataset a kind of quality info we need to include in the data quality vocabulary? -- open ←
14:48:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/164
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/164 ←
14:48:56 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
14:48:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
14:49:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yeah , let's close it
Riccardo Albertoni: yeah , let's close it ←
14:49:12 <phila> I think we just resolved that issue
Phil Archer: I think we just resolved that issue ←
14:49:26 <deirdrelee> antoine: proposal is we agree that some statistics may be relevant for expressing data quality
Antoine Isaac: proposal is we agree that some statistics may be relevant for expressing data quality [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:49:38 <deirdrelee> ... after resolution for issue-189, we should have examples
Deirdre Lee: ... after resolution for ISSUE-189, we should have examples ←
14:50:32 <phila> PROPOSE: Close Issue 164 as previous proposal covers it
Scribe problem: the name 'PROPOSE' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown PROPOSE: Close ISSUE-164 as previous proposal covers it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:50:43 <phila> PROPOSE: Close Issue 164 as previous resolution covers it
Scribe problem: the name 'PROPOSE' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown PROPOSE: Close ISSUE-164 as previous resolution covers it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:51:16 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
14:51:18 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
14:51:19 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:51:20 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
14:51:21 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
14:51:24 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
14:51:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:51:26 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
14:51:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
14:51:27 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
14:51:27 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:51:28 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
14:51:33 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
+1 ←
14:51:42 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:51:42 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Close Issue 164 as previous resolution covers it
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-164 as previous resolution covers it ←
14:53:07 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/153
Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/153 ←
14:53:08 <deirdrelee> action-153
14:53:08 <trackbot> action-153 -- Antoine Isaac to Look at completeness as one of the quality dimensions -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-153 -- Antoine Isaac to Look at completeness as one of the quality dimensions -- due 2015-04-20 -- OPEN ←
14:53:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/153
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/153 ←
14:53:54 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: the discussion in the mailing list says that completeness is an example of one ofthe quality dimensions
Riccardo Albertoni: the discussion in the mailing list says that completeness is an example of one ofthe quality dimensions [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:53:58 <jerdeb> q+
Jeremy Debattista: q+ ←
14:54:15 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
14:54:17 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
14:54:19 <deirdrelee> ack jerdeb
Deirdre Lee: ack jerdeb ←
14:54:41 <deirdrelee> jerdeb: agree that completeness should be a dimension. how can we measure this as linked data?
Jeremy Debattista: agree that completeness should be a dimension. how can we measure this as linked data? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:54:45 <deirdrelee> ... open world assumptions
Deirdre Lee: ... open world assumptions ←
14:55:06 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:55:06 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: we have to assume closed world to measure completeness
Riccardo Albertoni: we have to assume closed world to measure completeness [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:55:23 <deirdrelee> jerdeb: that's one of the main problems i'm having, difficult to measure
Jeremy Debattista: that's one of the main problems i'm having, difficult to measure [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:55:48 <phila> q+ to talk about RDF Data Shapes
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about RDF Data Shapes ←
14:56:00 <deirdrelee> antoine: some more info on this aciton. like RiccardoAlbertoni said, completeness is important to measure, but didn't receive much feedback
Antoine Isaac: some more info on this aciton. like RiccardoAlbertoni said, completeness is important to measure, but didn't receive much feedback [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:56:18 <deirdrelee> ... asked for specific feedback on completeness but didn't get any
Deirdre Lee: ... asked for specific feedback on completeness but didn't get any ←
14:56:32 <deirdrelee> ... similar to statistics, used this as a proxy for completeness
Deirdre Lee: ... similar to statistics, used this as a proxy for completeness ←
14:56:44 <deirdrelee> ... if you are keen for completeness, please send examples
Deirdre Lee: ... if you are keen for completeness, please send examples ←
14:57:17 <deirdrelee> phila: one of the reasons i don't like using dcterms:conformsto is that ?
Phil Archer: one of the reasons i don't like using dcterms:conformsto is that ? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:57:58 <deirdrelee> ... there are various things that you could point to something that defines what complete meants
Deirdre Lee: ... there are various things that you could point to something that defines what complete meants ←
14:58:34 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: there are some situation that the closed world assumptoin works fine, and we would like the opportunity to say something about it
Riccardo Albertoni: there are some situation that the closed world assumptoin works fine, and we would like the opportunity to say something about it [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:58:51 <phila> phila: I was saying that one quality description could be that the dataset matches a spedcific profile, such as DCAT-AP, or maybe point to a SHACL description (http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl/)
Phil Archer: I was saying that one quality description could be that the dataset matches a spedcific profile, such as DCAT-AP, or maybe point to a SHACL description (http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl/) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:00:05 <jerdeb> q+
Jeremy Debattista: q+ ←
15:00:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
15:00:20 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
15:00:22 <deirdrelee> phila: it could even be a description in a pdf. as long as you say it conforms to, e.g. to say that ckan dcat export
Phil Archer: it could even be a description in a pdf. as long as you say it conforms to, e.g. to say that ckan dcat export [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
15:00:25 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
15:00:29 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
15:00:30 <deirdrelee> ack jerdeb
Deirdre Lee: ack jerdeb ←
15:00:39 <jerdeb> q+
Jeremy Debattista: q+ ←
15:00:40 <deirdrelee> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
15:01:11 <deirdrelee> RiccardoAlbertoni: we are thinking about different kind of completeness. the one i'm talking about is the one in the linked data survey
Riccardo Albertoni: we are thinking about different kind of completeness. the one i'm talking about is the one in the linked data survey [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
15:01:14 <jerdeb> q-
Jeremy Debattista: q- ←
15:01:28 <deirdrelee> ... being compliant to a certain profile
Deirdre Lee: ... being compliant to a certain profile ←
15:02:17 <phila> PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality metric. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain.
PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality metric. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain. ←
15:02:17 <nandana> +1 for including completeness dimension and asking for concrete metrics and examples.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 for including completeness dimension and asking for concrete metrics and examples. ←
15:02:59 <phila> PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain.
PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain. ←
15:03:11 <phila> PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc.
PROPOSED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc. ←
15:03:30 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
15:03:36 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
15:03:37 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
+1 ←
15:03:37 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
15:03:39 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:03:41 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
15:03:41 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
15:03:43 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
15:03:43 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
15:03:43 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
15:03:43 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
15:03:45 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
15:03:56 <phila> RESOLVED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc.
RESOLVED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc. ←
15:04:00 <phila> RESOLUTION: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc.
RESOLVED: That we include completeness as a quality dimension. That can be defined in any way that puts boundaries around what the data should contain, closes the world etc. ←
15:04:05 <jerdeb> +1 if we have specific examples for population completeness and schema completeness
Jeremy Debattista: +1 if we have specific examples for population completeness and schema completeness ←
15:04:20 <phila> close issue-153
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-153 ←
15:04:20 <trackbot> Closed issue-153.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-153. ←
15:04:47 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yeah it was very useful ..
Riccardo Albertoni: yeah it was very useful .. ←
15:06:44 <antoine> Thanks everyone!!!
Antoine Isaac: Thanks everyone!!! ←
15:06:50 <phila> == Lunch ==
15:07:01 <BernadetteLoscio> Thanks!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thanks! ←
15:07:04 <laufer> Thank antoine, riccardo
Carlos Laufer: Thank antoine, riccardo ←
15:07:08 <phila> close action-153
Phil Archer: close ACTION-153 ←
15:07:08 <trackbot> Closed action-153.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-153. ←
15:07:26 <jerdeb> sorry but need to leave now. will join you again tomorrow morning (afternoon here in germany)
Jeremy Debattista: sorry but need to leave now. will join you again tomorrow morning (afternoon here in germany) ←
15:07:29 <deirdrelee> close-164
Deirdre Lee: close-164 ←
15:07:36 <deirdrelee> close issue-164
Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-164 ←
15:07:37 <trackbot> Closed issue-164.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-164. ←
15:07:41 <RiccardoAlbertoni> enjoy the lunch!
Riccardo Albertoni: enjoy the lunch! ←
15:08:00 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
15:56:48 <deirdrelee> ok, let's get back...
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Deirdre Lee: ok, let's get back... ←
16:00:04 <newtoncalegari> Let's go
Newton Calegari: Let's go ←
16:00:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yeah.. I am on webex
Riccardo Albertoni: yeah.. I am on webex ←
16:00:33 <yaso> present+ yaso
Yaso Córdova: present+ yaso ←
16:01:42 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP ←
16:01:46 <newtoncalegari> yaso: starting the meeting with BP agenda
Yaso Córdova: starting the meeting with BP agenda [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
16:01:46 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda
Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Sao_Paulo#Agenda ←
16:01:56 <deirdrelee> scribe: newtoncalegari
(Scribe set to Newton Calegari)
16:02:46 <yaso> ISSUE-137
16:02:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-137 -- Review BP Preserve person's right to privacy -- open ←
16:02:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/137 ←
16:03:03 <newtoncalegari> yaso: issue-137 about privacy
Yaso Córdova: ISSUE-137 about privacy ←
16:03:04 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:03:25 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
16:03:48 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: during the last F2F we had a discussion about privacy
Bernadette Farias Loscio: during the last F2F we had a discussion about privacy ←
16:03:49 <deirdrelee> BP Editor's draft: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
Deirdre Lee: BP Editor's draft: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html ←
16:03:58 <newtoncalegari> ... and we raised some issues
... and we raised some issues ←
16:04:12 <newtoncalegari> ... now we need to decide what we gonna do
... now we need to decide what we gonna do ←
16:04:28 <newtoncalegari> ... hadleybeeman was not sure if we will talk about privacy
... hadleybeeman was not sure if we will talk about privacy ←
16:04:50 <yaso> http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy
Yaso Córdova: http://bernafarias.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#PreservePrivacy ←
16:04:50 <newtoncalegari> ... so, there is this action to rewrite the BP. but we need to discuss what we need to do
... so, there is this action to rewrite the BP. but we need to discuss what we need to do ←
16:05:13 <newtoncalegari> ... to rewrite, keep it as it is, or discontinue..
... to rewrite, keep it as it is, or discontinue.. ←
16:05:36 <newtoncalegari> ... the discussion in the end of last f2f was not clear if we should have a BP like this, about privacy
... the discussion in the end of last f2f was not clear if we should have a BP like this, about privacy ←
16:05:38 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:05:45 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
16:05:49 <newtoncalegari> ... what we should do with this section?
... what we should do with this section? ←
16:05:52 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
16:06:18 <newtoncalegari> phila: yes, hadleybeeman make the point that it's not technical
Phil Archer: yes, hadleybeeman make the point that it's not technical ←
16:06:39 <phila> It is clearly essential that individuals' privacy is respected. This means that Personally Identifiable Information needs to be handled according to policies and procedures that reflect the local jurisdictional context and it is therefore beyond the scope of this document to make specific recommendations on this topic.
Phil Archer: It is clearly essential that individuals' privacy is respected. This means that Personally Identifiable Information needs to be handled according to policies and procedures that reflect the local jurisdictional context and it is therefore beyond the scope of this document to make specific recommendations on this topic. ←
16:06:45 <newtoncalegari> ... makx suggested that we put some text in the introduction
... makx suggested that we put some text in the introduction ←
16:06:59 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:07:08 <newtoncalegari> ... we can potential link to some definition
... we can potential link to some definition ←
16:07:23 <yaso> ericstephan,
Yaso Córdova: ericstephan, ←
16:07:23 <newtoncalegari> ... the scope is policy and law, and it's not in the technical scope
... the scope is policy and law, and it's not in the technical scope ←
16:07:26 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
16:08:07 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/006801d0c9f8%2524bc2750f0%25243475f2d0%2524%2540makxdekkers.com Makx's comment
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/mid/006801d0c9f8%2524bc2750f0%25243475f2d0%2524%2540makxdekkers.com Makx's comment ←
16:08:07 <newtoncalegari> ericstephan: phila is propposing to take this out of the BPs, and put it in another section
Eric Stephan: phila is propposing to take this out of the BPs, and put it in another section ←
16:08:27 <newtoncalegari> ... it could be in a section called "Assumptions"
... it could be in a section called "Assumptions" ←
16:08:37 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:08:40 <phila> ericstephan: Perhaps we could have a section called 'Assumptions' - i.e. things that we recognise as being important but that are out of scope.
Eric Stephan: Perhaps we could have a section called 'Assumptions' - i.e. things that we recognise as being important but that are out of scope. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:09:02 <newtoncalegari> yaso: there are challenges in the Use Cases and this challenge is out of the scope
Yaso Córdova: there are challenges in the Use Cases and this challenge is out of the scope ←
16:09:09 <PeterWinstanley_> q+
Peter Winstanley: q+ ←
16:09:14 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:09:16 <deirdrelee> BP 20q+
Deirdre Lee: BP 20q+ ←
16:09:20 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
16:09:21 <newtoncalegari> phila: we can't in a Technical document say "you should follow the law"
Phil Archer: we can't in a Technical document say "you should follow the law" ←
16:09:46 <yaso> ack PeterWinstanley_
Yaso Córdova: ack PeterWinstanley_ ←
16:09:51 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline ←
16:10:22 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
16:10:25 <phila> Principles/assumptions - I;m OK wth either
Phil Archer: Principles/assumptions - I;m OK wth either ←
16:10:46 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
16:10:50 <newtoncalegari> (someone could help me with Peter speech?)
(someone could help me with Peter speech?) ←
16:12:10 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: we can add some links appoint to this issue of Sensitive Data
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can add some links appoint to this issue of Sensitive Data ←
16:12:25 <newtoncalegari> yaso: is there any way to ask to other groups to deal with it?
Yaso Córdova: is there any way to ask to other groups to deal with it? ←
16:12:28 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
16:12:53 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
16:13:03 <newtoncalegari> phila: dealing with this issue is different of using dublin core, or vocabs
Phil Archer: dealing with this issue is different of using dublin core, or vocabs ←
16:13:05 <phila> Peter was saying that in Enterprise Architectures often begin with a bunch or principles
Phil Archer: Peter was saying that in Enterprise Architectures often begin with a bunch or principles ←
16:13:48 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: there is a technical element on saying to share, integrate, publish datasets
Deirdre Lee: there is a technical element on saying to share, integrate, publish datasets ←
16:13:55 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
16:14:04 <Caroline> +1 to deirdrelee
Caroline Burle: +1 to deirdrelee ←
16:14:21 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:14:22 <Caroline> to put in the BP document
Caroline Burle: to put in the BP document ←
16:14:26 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
16:14:54 <newtoncalegari> laufer: the ideia of a paragraph is interesting to clarify people there is a law to deal with it
Carlos Laufer: the ideia of a paragraph is interesting to clarify people there is a law to deal with it ←
16:15:09 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:15:47 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
16:15:47 <yaso> ack Caroline
Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline ←
16:15:53 <newtoncalegari> ... we don't need to have a BP about it, the paragraph is enough
... we don't need to have a BP about it, the paragraph is enough ←
16:16:06 <newtoncalegari> Caroline: BernadetteLoscio and I discussed about it
Caroline Burle: BernadetteLoscio and I discussed about it ←
16:16:29 <newtoncalegari> ... if we don't keep it as a BP, it's important to say something about this topic
... if we don't keep it as a BP, it's important to say something about this topic ←
16:16:47 <newtoncalegari> ... say that this topic is broader than other BPs
... say that this topic is broader than other BPs ←
16:17:12 <newtoncalegari> ... I Agree with Deirdre on point about this in the Document
... I Agree with Deirdre on point about this in the Document ←
16:17:13 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:17:17 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
16:17:21 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
16:17:28 <newtoncalegari> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I agree
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I agree ←
16:17:33 <newtoncalegari> ... but it's very complicated
... but it's very complicated ←
16:17:59 <newtoncalegari> ... this seems to be also related to one aspect of quality
... this seems to be also related to one aspect of quality ←
16:18:45 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
16:18:51 <newtoncalegari> ... this is related with conformance
... this is related with conformance ←
16:19:27 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:19:30 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: if you classify a dataset, you can say some terms are commercial, others sensitivity
Deirdre Lee: if you classify a dataset, you can say some terms are commercial, others sensitivity ←
16:19:30 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
16:19:42 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
16:19:47 <newtoncalegari> ... maybe if we provide a classification for the dataset
... maybe if we provide a classification for the dataset ←
16:20:03 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: it's quite similar of what laufer propposed
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's quite similar of what laufer propposed ←
16:20:25 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q- ←
16:20:43 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
16:20:54 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
16:20:56 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: if we have a proporty to describe of classify a dataset, maybe it could be a part of the dataset description
Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we have a proporty to describe of classify a dataset, maybe it could be a part of the dataset description ←
16:21:06 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:21:16 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: but it could be not only human-readable
Deirdre Lee: but it could be not only human-readable ←
16:21:20 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#classifying-datasets ?
Antoine Isaac: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#classifying-datasets ? ←
16:21:23 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
16:21:26 <newtoncalegari> ... need to be machine readable
... need to be machine readable ←
16:21:40 <newtoncalegari> yaso: I don't think we don't have to try to classify
Yaso Córdova: I don't think we don't have to try to classify ←
16:22:03 <phila> q+ to talk about traffic lights
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about traffic lights ←
16:22:04 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:22:13 <newtoncalegari> ... it's not only technical
... it's not only technical ←
16:22:14 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q-
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q- ←
16:22:35 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
16:22:39 <Seiji> q+
Seiji Isotani: q+ ←
16:22:41 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
16:22:50 <newtoncalegari> ... I'm in favor of keep as a note and maybe other group to talk about Privacy
... I'm in favor of keep as a note and maybe other group to talk about Privacy ←
16:23:03 <newtoncalegari> phila: they classify datasets
Phil Archer: Norway classifies datasets ←
16:23:33 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:23:37 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
16:23:40 <phila> s/they classify/Norway classifies/
16:23:55 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: I think the idea of having an extra metadata to describe this kind of information could be nice
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think the idea of having an extra metadata to describe this kind of information could be nice ←
16:25:07 <newtoncalegari> yaso: for instance, if facebook has an API and I get data from my friends. but suddenly facebook closes the API, and I can't get my data anymore
Yaso Córdova: for instance, if facebook has an API and I get data from my friends. but suddenly facebook closes the API, and I can't get my data anymore ←
16:25:20 <newtoncalegari> ... is this data public? sensitive?
... is this data public? sensitive? ←
16:25:40 <WagnerMeiraJr> q+
Wagner Meira Jr.: q+ ←
16:25:55 <newtoncalegari> yaso: for me it's hard to do that, to classify datasets in that way
Yaso Córdova: for me it's hard to do that, to classify datasets in that way ←
16:26:31 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:26:35 <deirdrelee> q+ to say gov already classify docs as open, confidential, secure, etc
Deirdre Lee: q+ to say gov already classify docs as open, confidential, secure, etc ←
16:26:37 <yaso> ack Seiji
Yaso Córdova: ack Seiji ←
16:26:49 <newtoncalegari> Seiji: I think we can have an agreement among those ideas
Seiji Isotani: I think we can have an agreement among those ideas ←
16:26:59 <phila> present+ Seiji, WagnerMeiraJr, ericstephan
Phil Archer: present+ Seiji, WagnerMeiraJr, ericstephan ←
16:27:13 <newtoncalegari> ... in the Draf there is not section called "Policy"
... in the Draf there is not section called "Policy" ←
16:27:45 <phila> q+ hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: q+ hadleybeeman ←
16:27:49 <yaso> ack WagnerMeiraJr
Yaso Córdova: ack WagnerMeiraJr ←
16:28:07 <newtoncalegari> WagnerMeiraJr: I believe it's important to make a difference between what is Ethical and what is Illiegal
Wagner Meira Jr.: I believe it's important to make a difference between what is Ethical and what is Illiegal ←
16:28:28 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
16:28:57 <newtoncalegari> ... each provider usually have different rules
... each provider usually have different rules ←
16:29:45 <newtoncalegari> ... it's in our scope to discuss in a BP doc what is illegal or not (???)
... it's in our scope to discuss in a BP doc what is illegal or not (???) ←
16:30:03 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:30:42 <newtoncalegari> ... data is in some sense public
... data is in some sense public ←
16:30:52 <newtoncalegari> ... for instance, the ashley madison web site
... for instance, the ashley madison web site ←
16:31:05 <newtoncalegari> ... they had a agreement about privacy
... they had a agreement about privacy ←
16:31:32 <newtoncalegari> ... but hackers have violated and have gotten the private data
... but hackers have violated and have gotten the private data ←
16:31:47 <newtoncalegari> ... the second point is what is illegal?
... the second point is what is illegal? ←
16:32:15 <newtoncalegari> ... we may recommend that you verify license and terms
... we may recommend that you verify license and terms ←
16:32:29 <phila> q- hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: q- hadleybeeman ←
16:33:01 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
16:33:01 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to say gov already classify docs as open, confidential, secure, etc
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to say gov already classify docs as open, confidential, secure, etc ←
16:33:07 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
16:33:39 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
16:34:08 <phila> zakim, close the queue
Phil Archer: zakim, close the queue ←
16:34:08 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed ←
16:34:14 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: the data is on the Web, you should recommend a license
Deirdre Lee: the data is on the Web, you should recommend a license ←
16:34:22 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
16:34:54 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
16:34:59 <newtoncalegari> ericstephan: (??? sorry ericstephan -( )
Eric Stephan: (??? sorry ericstephan -( ) ←
16:35:22 <newtoncalegari> laufer: the problem is not when you have the data, is when someone access the data
Carlos Laufer: the problem is not when you have the data, is when someone access the data ←
16:35:37 <newtoncalegari> ... you can have the some dataset with different licenses
... you can have the some dataset with different licenses ←
16:35:42 <ericstephan> I was just mentioning that I agreed with WagnerMeiraJr and mentioned that this was complementary to the way people think of open and closed data
Eric Stephan: I was just mentioning that I agreed with WagnerMeiraJr and mentioned that this was complementary to the way people think of open and closed data ←
16:35:50 <yaso> ack Caroline
Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline ←
16:36:08 <deirdrelee> possible proposal: Remove BP 20 'Preserve people's right to privacy'. Instead add a note around data protection and linking to other related work
Deirdre Lee: possible proposal: Remove BP 20 'Preserve people's right to privacy'. Instead add a note around data protection and linking to other related work ←
16:36:16 <newtoncalegari> Caroline: I understand we maybe put as a note
Caroline Burle: I understand we maybe put as a note ←
16:36:51 <phila> q+ to argue for BP21
Phil Archer: q+ to argue for BP21 ←
16:36:52 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: in this case we need to remove the section, 2 BPs and challenge 'Sensitive Data'
Bernadette Farias Loscio: in this case we need to remove the section, 2 BPs and challenge 'Sensitive Data' ←
16:37:18 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
16:37:19 <Makx> +1 to remove BP20. there is no universal 'right to privacy'
Makx Dekkers: +1 to remove BP20. there is no universal 'right to privacy' ←
16:37:20 <newtoncalegari> yaso: I don't know if we can remove the section
Yaso Córdova: I don't know if we can remove the section ←
16:37:25 <phila> zakim, open the queue
Phil Archer: zakim, open the queue ←
16:37:25 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is open ←
16:37:32 <phila> q+ to argue for BP21
Phil Archer: q+ to argue for BP21 ←
16:37:38 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
16:37:38 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to argue for BP21
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to argue for BP21 ←
16:37:40 <annette_g> these are two different questions
Annette Greiner: these are two different questions ←
16:37:54 <Makx> present+ makx
Makx Dekkers: present+ makx ←
16:37:55 <newtoncalegari> phila: I agree on removing the BP20
Phil Archer: I agree on removing the BP20 ←
16:38:01 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:38:02 <annette_g> present+ annette_g
Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g ←
16:38:07 <newtoncalegari> ... but BP21 we cuold keep
... but BP21 we cuold keep ←
16:38:26 <ericstephan> +1 to keeping BP21
Eric Stephan: +1 to keeping BP21 ←
16:38:30 <antoine> +1 Actually BP21 is much more on the technical side of things.
Antoine Isaac: +1 Actually BP21 is much more on the technical side of things. ←
16:38:36 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to phil
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to phil ←
16:38:39 <yaso> +1 to keeping 21
Yaso Córdova: +1 to keeping 21 ←
16:38:51 <Makx> +1 to keep BP21
Makx Dekkers: +1 to keep BP21 ←
16:38:54 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:38:59 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: but you want to keep the Sesntive Data section, with the BP21 but without BP20?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: but you want to keep the Sesntive Data section, with the BP21 but without BP20? ←
16:39:14 <newtoncalegari> phila: (you answered yes?)
Phil Archer: (you answered yes?) ←
16:39:23 <newtoncalegari> q+
q+ ←
16:39:46 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
16:39:50 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
16:40:09 <deirdrelee> newtoncalegari: should bp21 stay in the sensitive data section or it should be moved?
Newton Calegari: should bp21 stay in the sensitive data section or it should be moved? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
16:40:20 <newtoncalegari> phila: it's up to the editors :-)
Phil Archer: it's up to the editors :-) ←
16:40:24 <phila> newtoncalegari: On keeping the BP on Provide data unavailability reference - does that mean keeping the section but with one BP?
Newton Calegari: On keeping the BP on Provide data unavailability reference - does that mean keeping the section but with one BP? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:40:28 <Makx> BP21 has nothing to do with sensitive data
Makx Dekkers: BP21 has nothing to do with sensitive data ←
16:40:30 <phila> phila: That's up to the editors
Phil Archer: That's up to the editors [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:40:33 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
16:40:35 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
16:40:39 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline
Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline ←
16:40:50 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
16:40:51 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
16:41:25 <newtoncalegari> annette_g: for BP20, are we going to replace if it's removed?
Annette Greiner: for BP20, are we going to replace if it's removed? ←
16:41:25 <Makx> the only thing we can say about BP20 is that data providers should respect applicable laws
Makx Dekkers: the only thing we can say about BP20 is that data providers should respect applicable laws ←
16:41:37 <yaso> +1 to Makx
Yaso Córdova: +1 to Makx ←
16:41:38 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
16:41:40 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:41:52 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
16:42:04 <newtoncalegari> phila: we are agreeing on taking out BP21 but write some notes about the topic
Phil Archer: we are agreeing on taking out BP21 but write some notes about the topic ←
16:42:11 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
16:42:18 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
16:42:46 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: if we keep the section 'Sensitive Data', I think we can't have only the description without a BP
Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we keep the section 'Sensitive Data', I think we can't have only the description without a BP ←
16:42:54 <annette_g> +1 to Bernadette
Annette Greiner: +1 to Bernadette ←
16:43:13 <newtoncalegari> ... we can keep the BP21, but this BP seems to doesn't fit in the Sensitive Section
... we can keep the BP21, but this BP seems to doesn't fit in the Sensitive Section ←
16:43:23 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:43:27 <newtoncalegari> ... and we need to look for a place for BP21
... and we need to look for a place for BP21 ←
16:43:37 <newtoncalegari> Caroline: I agree with BernadetteLoscio
Caroline Burle: I agree with BernadetteLoscio ←
16:43:45 <Seiji> +1 to what bernadette said
Seiji Isotani: +1 to what bernadette said ←
16:43:47 <newtoncalegari> ... maybe BP21 fits in Data Preservation section
... maybe BP21 fits in Data Preservation section ←
16:44:10 <newtoncalegari> ... and the text of BP20 will be transformed in a note
... and the text of BP20 will be transformed in a note ←
16:44:21 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
16:44:23 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
16:44:59 <newtoncalegari> yaso: we need to let people know Sensitve Data is a challenge, and I think we can keep the section
Yaso Córdova: we need to let people know Sensitve Data is a challenge, and I think we can keep the section ←
16:45:04 <Caroline> +1 to yaso that privacy is a challenge important to be mentioned
Caroline Burle: +1 to yaso that privacy is a challenge important to be mentioned ←
16:45:21 <yaso> ack Caroline
Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline ←
16:45:45 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: Ok. It can be a challenge, but no in the scope of this document, and I don't agree on having a section like others, but without any BP
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Ok. It can be a challenge, but no in the scope of this document, and I don't agree on having a section like others, but without any BP ←
16:45:56 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
16:46:02 <newtoncalegari> deirdrelee: two counter suggestions
Deirdre Lee: two counter suggestions ←
16:46:31 <Caroline> Caroline: the editors may make the change on Sensitive data and send to the group
Caroline Burle: the editors may make the change on Sensitive data and send to the group [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ] ←
16:46:48 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:47:07 <yaso> Ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: Ack annette_g ←
16:47:22 <newtoncalegari> annette_g: maybe we can rewrite the BP
Annette Greiner: maybe we can rewrite the BP ←
16:47:53 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:48:08 <newtoncalegari> ... we need to consider those issues
... we need to consider those issues ←
16:48:31 <newtoncalegari> PROPOSAL: removing BP20 - Preserve people's right to privacy
PROPOSED: removing BP20 - Preserve people's right to privacy ←
16:48:34 <phila> PROPOSED: That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed and replaced by a suitable note/paragraph
PROPOSED: That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed and replaced by a suitable note/paragraph ←
16:48:38 <annette_g> removing and replacing by a note are two different issues
Annette Greiner: removing and replacing by a note are two different issues ←
16:48:40 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
16:48:42 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
16:48:45 <annette_g> 0
Annette Greiner: 0 ←
16:48:46 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
16:48:48 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1
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Scribe problem: the name 'AdrianoCesar-InWeb' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb: +1 ←
16:48:50 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:48:54 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:48:54 <newtoncalegari> +1
+1 ←
16:48:55 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
16:48:55 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
16:49:02 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:49:06 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
16:49:11 <nandana> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
16:49:30 <newtoncalegari> annette_g: I think it should a BP
Annette Greiner: I think it should a BP ←
16:49:31 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
16:49:38 <Caroline> +q
Caroline Burle: +q ←
16:49:49 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
16:49:53 <newtoncalegari> ... agree on removing BP20, but put another BP in the empty place (??? is that right, annette_g? )
... agree on removing BP20, but put another BP in the empty place (??? is that right, annette_g? ) ←
16:50:10 <newtoncalegari> phila: writing a draft proposal
Phil Archer: writing a draft proposal ←
16:50:11 <phila> Draft proposal - That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed
Phil Archer: Draft proposal - That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed ←
16:50:27 <annette_g> * :)*
Annette Greiner: * :)* ←
16:50:30 <phila> Draft proposal that the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the doc
Phil Archer: Draft proposal that the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the doc ←
16:50:50 <phila> draft proposal - that privacy is an important issue and we shouold say something, even if it is only "think about this stuff"
Phil Archer: draft proposal - that privacy is an important issue and we shouold say something, even if it is only "think about this stuff" ←
16:51:22 <phila> PROPOSED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed
PROPOSED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed ←
16:51:26 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
16:51:31 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
16:51:31 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
16:51:31 <newtoncalegari> +1
+1 ←
16:51:33 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
16:51:34 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
16:51:36 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
16:51:43 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
16:51:53 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:52:04 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: Editors will review the Senstive Data section
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Editors will review the Senstive Data section ←
16:52:17 <phila> PROPOSED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document
PROPOSED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document ←
16:52:23 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:52:27 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
16:52:30 <newtoncalegari> +1
+1 ←
16:52:33 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
16:52:33 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
16:52:33 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
16:52:33 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
16:52:35 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
16:52:35 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
16:52:38 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
16:52:38 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
16:52:41 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'AdrianoCesar-InWeb' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'AdrianoCesar-InWeb' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amine Abidi Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Mostafa Elag Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Newton Calegari Peter Winstanley Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yao Tong Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb: +1 ←
16:52:51 <phila> RESOLVED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed
RESOLVED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed ←
16:52:51 <yaso> newtoncalegari, Draft proposal - That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed
Yaso Córdova: newtoncalegari, Draft proposal - That the Best practice on Preserve people's right to privacy be removed ←
16:52:58 <phila> RESOLUTION: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed
RESOLVED: That the Best practice on Preserve People's Right to privacy be removed ←
16:53:07 <phila> RESOLVED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document
RESOLVED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document ←
16:53:15 <phila> RESOLUTION: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document
RESOLVED: That the section on sensitive data be reviewed in the broader scope of the document ←
16:53:33 <phila> close action-164
Phil Archer: close ACTION-164 ←
16:53:33 <trackbot> Closed action-164.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-164. ←
16:53:39 <phila> close action-166
Phil Archer: close ACTION-166 ←
16:53:40 <trackbot> Closed action-166.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-166. ←
16:53:47 <phila> close issue-137
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-137 ←
16:53:47 <trackbot> Closed issue-137.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-137. ←
16:54:45 <BernadetteLoscio> bye bye! thanks!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye bye! thanks! ←
16:54:56 <annette_g> * closed instead of close? *
Annette Greiner: * closed instead of close? * ←
16:54:59 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166
Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166 ←
16:55:07 <yaso> issue-166
16:55:07 <trackbot> issue-166 -- Should the data vocabularies section be removed? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-166 -- Should the data vocabularies section be removed? -- open ←
16:55:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166 ←
16:55:08 <newtoncalegari> yaso: we're going to discuss about the issue-166
Yaso Córdova: we're going to discuss about the ISSUE-166 ←
16:55:36 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: there is an ongoing discussion about this section
Bernadette Farias Loscio: there is an ongoing discussion about this section ←
16:55:46 <newtoncalegari> ... on removing or not the vocabularies section
... on removing or not the vocabularies section ←
16:56:15 <annette_g> * oops, didn't see the whole interaction w/trackbot *
Annette Greiner: * oops, didn't see the whole interaction w/trackbot * ←
16:56:29 <newtoncalegari> ... in this section we have more BPs related on publishing vocabularies, and only one on using vocabularies
... in this section we have more BPs related on publishing vocabularies, and only one on using vocabularies ←
16:56:35 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:56:45 <Caroline> q-
Caroline Burle: q- ←
16:56:52 <newtoncalegari> ... there is a discussion if we should have BP for publishing vocabularies or not
... there is a discussion if we should have BP for publishing vocabularies or not ←
16:56:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye nandana !
Riccardo Albertoni: bye nandana ! ←
16:57:22 <newtoncalegari> ... I discussed by email with antoine, we had some agreements, but we want know if the group agrees on keeping the section or not
... I discussed by email with antoine, we had some agreements, but we want know if the group agrees on keeping the section or not ←
16:57:26 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:57:45 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
16:57:51 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
16:58:13 <newtoncalegari> laufer: when you say to remove the section, we need to remove the BPs of the section?
Carlos Laufer: when you say to remove the section, we need to remove the BPs of the section? ←
16:58:15 <antoine> this is a fair account, BernadetteLoscio
Antoine Isaac: this is a fair account, BernadetteLoscio ←
16:58:53 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: no. antoine and I have agreed on keep the section, but it's not about the vocabulary creation, but it's vocabulary publication
Bernadette Farias Loscio: no. antoine and I have agreed on keep the section, but it's not about the vocabulary creation, but it's vocabulary publication ←
16:59:01 <antoine> also about re-use
Antoine Isaac: also about re-use ←
16:59:02 <Seiji> +1 keep the section
Seiji Isotani: +1 keep the section ←
16:59:04 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
16:59:26 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: not sure if BP14 should be there
Bernadette Farias Loscio: not sure if BP14 should be there ←
16:59:53 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
17:00:11 <newtoncalegari> laufer: I don't think BP14 is equal to the 'Re-use vocabularies'
Carlos Laufer: I don't think BP14 is equal to the 'Re-use vocabularies' ←
17:00:39 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
17:00:46 <yaso> laufer has a point
Yaso Córdova: laufer has a point ←
17:00:48 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
17:00:50 <newtoncalegari> ... for me vocabulary is a kind of dataset
... for me vocabulary is a kind of dataset ←
17:00:57 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
17:01:55 <annette_g> examples?
Annette Greiner: examples? ←
17:02:03 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:02:06 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
17:02:18 <newtoncalegari> laufer: we can't deal with vocabulary like a special kind of dataset
Carlos Laufer: we can't deal with vocabulary like a special kind of dataset ←
17:02:26 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
17:02:30 <newtoncalegari> q+
q+ ←
17:03:08 <newtoncalegari> antoine: I disagree with laufer
Antoine Isaac: I disagree with laufer ←
17:03:09 <annette_g> +! that these are not datasets
Annette Greiner: +! that these are not datasets ←
17:03:12 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
17:03:30 <newtoncalegari> scribe: Caroline
(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)
17:03:50 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
17:03:55 <newtoncalegari> q-
Newton Calegari: q- ←
17:04:22 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: if you consider all the schemas it would be strange to make recommendations
Giancarlo Guizzardi: if you consider all the schemas it would be strange to make recommendations ←
17:04:32 <Caroline> ... but if the focus is dataset
... but if the focus is dataset ←
17:04:53 <Caroline> ... the dataset may refers to one BP and define the terms
... the dataset may refers to one BP and define the terms ←
17:05:10 <Caroline> ... it is a essencial aspect of quality of data to have these BPs
... it is a essencial aspect of quality of data to have these BPs ←
17:05:15 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:05:19 <Caroline> ... we must say something about it
... we must say something about it ←
17:05:26 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
17:05:27 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
17:05:37 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: do you think we need to have BPs for the publication of this
Bernadette Farias Loscio: do you think we need to have BPs for the publication of this ←
17:05:51 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
17:06:05 <Caroline> ... or we just keep the BP like "we should use vocabularies" and "we should use standards"
... or we just keep the BP like "we should use vocabularies" and "we should use standards" ←
17:06:34 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: we should talk about the quality of relation between the datasets and what we use to annotation
Giancarlo Guizzardi: we should talk about the quality of relation between the datasets and what we use to annotation ←
17:06:47 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
17:06:51 <Caroline> ... we should recommend that people use those, whatever they are
... we should recommend that people use those, whatever they are ←
17:06:53 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari
Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari ←
17:06:59 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
17:07:05 <Caroline> newtoncalegari: I agree on re-using vocabulary
Newton Calegari: I agree on re-using vocabulary ←
17:07:15 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
17:07:19 <Caroline> ... but it seems confusing on standarizing terms
... but it seems confusing on standarizing terms ←
17:07:44 <Caroline> phila: standarizing terms maybe not in a vocabulary, I personally woul keep it
Phil Archer: standarizing terms maybe not in a vocabulary, I personally woul keep it ←
17:08:18 <Caroline> ... use them, re-use them and tell people what you have re-used is what we could keep
... use them, re-use them and tell people what you have re-used is what we could keep ←
17:08:42 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
17:08:51 <phila> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
17:09:41 <deirdrelee> ack newtoncalegari
Deirdre Lee: ack newtoncalegari ←
17:09:43 <Caroline> deirdrelee: if we are talking about vocabularies meaning standarized terms and also core vocabulaires or in sens of schemas
Deirdre Lee: if we are talking about vocabularies meaning standarized terms and also core vocabulaires or in sens of schemas ←
17:10:03 <Caroline> newtoncalegari: using standarized terms refering as vocabularies
Newton Calegari: using standarized terms refering as vocabularies ←
17:10:29 <Caroline> ... when you say it is like everyone using the same vocabulary could use FOAF, per example
... when you say it is like everyone using the same vocabulary could use FOAF, per example ←
17:10:32 <phila> newtoncalegari: Using standardised terms, referring to vocabs... if I use FOAF - should we always use the prefix 'foaf:'
Newton Calegari: Using standardised terms, referring to vocabs... if I use FOAF - should we always use the prefix 'foaf:' [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:10:46 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
17:10:55 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: it is not clear the difference vocabularies and standarized terms and also from core vocabulaires to other vocabularies
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it is not clear the difference vocabularies and standarized terms and also from core vocabulaires to other vocabularies ←
17:10:56 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I don't know how to distinguish between core vocabs and others
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I don't know how to distinguish between core vocabs and others [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:11:17 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We have BPs 15, 16, 17 and 19
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We have BPs 15, 16, 17 and 19 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:11:26 <Caroline> ... we have 2 things: 1. BPs 15, 16, 17 and 19 are related to vocabularies publication
... we have 2 things: 1. BPs 15, 16, 17 and 19 are related to vocabularies publication ←
17:11:32 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
17:11:34 <phila> ... those are related to vocab publication.
Phil Archer: ... those are related to vocab publication. ←
17:11:35 <Caroline> ... 2. relation between 14 an 18
... 2. relation between 14 an 18 ←
17:11:43 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
17:11:45 <phila> ... What is the relationship between 14 and 18
Phil Archer: ... What is the relationship between 14 and 18 ←
17:11:55 <phila> laufer: Is a code list a vocabulary?
Carlos Laufer: Is a code list a vocabulary? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:12:06 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
17:12:35 <phila> scribe; Caroline
Phil Archer: scribe; Caroline ←
17:12:36 <ericstephan> If I cross my eyes I have no problems distinguishing between vocabularies and standardized terms. ;-)
Eric Stephan: If I cross my eyes I have no problems distinguishing between vocabularies and standardized terms. ;-) ←
17:12:39 <phila> scribe: Caroline
17:12:53 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
17:13:07 <Caroline> annette_g: I think vocabulary is not data
Annette Greiner: I think vocabulary is not data ←
17:13:21 <Caroline> ... if vocabularies were the same as data
... if vocabularies were the same as data ←
17:13:27 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:13:46 <Caroline> ... it is woth to try people how to be consistency when they use their own terms
... it is woth to try people how to be consistency when they use their own terms ←
17:13:47 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
17:14:04 <phila> +1 to annette_g
Phil Archer: +1 to annette_g ←
17:14:12 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
17:14:16 <Caroline> ... if there is not a vocabulary you can try to be consistency
... if there is not a vocabulary you can try to be consistency ←
17:14:17 <Makx> There are two types of 'vocabularies'; a. predicate vocabularies (e.. Dublin Core terems) and b. value vocabularies (such as code lists, e.g. language codes)
Makx Dekkers: There are two types of 'vocabularies'; a. predicate vocabularies (e.. Dublin Core terems) and b. value vocabularies (such as code lists, e.g. language codes) ←
17:14:19 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
17:14:26 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
17:14:44 <Caroline> ericstephan: the question about difficulties on semantic web that someone asked at Web.br
Eric Stephan: the question about difficulties on semantic web that someone asked at Web.br ←
17:15:09 <Caroline> ... I think one of the difficulties of adopting semantic web or existing vocabularies is ??
... I think one of the difficulties of adopting semantic web or existing vocabularies is ?? ←
17:15:27 <Caroline> ... I think having guidance on how people use vocabularies is helpful
... I think having guidance on how people use vocabularies is helpful ←
17:15:31 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
17:15:32 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I agree with phil
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I agree with phil ←
17:15:46 <Caroline> ... use standarized terms makes sense
... use standarized terms makes sense ←
17:15:48 <phila> q+ to focus on Use Standardised Terms
Phil Archer: q+ to focus on Use Standardised Terms ←
17:16:06 <Caroline> ... and re-use vocabularies makes sense also
... and re-use vocabularies makes sense also ←
17:16:22 <Caroline> ... BPs 14 and 18 may be miss interpreted
... BPs 14 and 18 may be miss interpreted ←
17:16:45 <deirdrelee> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
17:16:45 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to focus on Use Standardised Terms
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to focus on Use Standardised Terms ←
17:16:53 <Caroline> ... we should be clear that we are talking about using vocabs to annotate metadada
... we should be clear that we are talking about using vocabs to annotate metadada ←
17:17:17 <Caroline> phila: standarized terms could be written code lists
Phil Archer: standarized terms could be written code lists ←
17:17:39 <Caroline> ... maybe be not metadata
... maybe be not metadata ←
17:17:53 <antoine> for the record code lists are mentioned in BP 19
Antoine Isaac: for the record code lists are mentioned in BP 19 ←
17:18:05 <Caroline> ... to write it it is better to talk first about standarized terms and then code lists
... to write it it is better to talk first about standarized terms and then code lists ←
17:18:14 <Caroline> ... I would use BP 19
... I would use BP 19 ←
17:18:27 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
17:18:32 <Caroline> ... the ones that are clearly about vocabs we could take them out
... the ones that are clearly about vocabs we could take them out ←
17:18:51 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: on BP 19 we should make it clear that we are not talking about vocabulary creation
Giancarlo Guizzardi: on BP 19 we should make it clear that we are not talking about vocabulary creation ←
17:18:55 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
17:19:04 <annette_g> q-
Annette Greiner: q- ←
17:19:06 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi n
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi n ←
17:19:16 <deirdrelee> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Deirdre Lee: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
17:19:36 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP on Use Standardized Terms be amended to talk about terms and code lists
PROPOSED: That the BP on Use Standardized Terms be amended to talk about terms and code lists ←
17:20:30 <phila> draft prop - that
Phil Archer: draft prop - that ←
17:20:30 <phila> Best Practice 15: Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way , Vocabulary versioning be removed
Phil Archer: Best Practice 15: Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way , Vocabulary versioning be removed ←
17:22:23 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:22:29 <Caroline> laufer: we have a lot of communities that use some terms as standards for them
Carlos Laufer: we have a lot of communities that use some terms as standards for them ←
17:22:35 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
17:23:06 <Caroline> deirdrelee: to be part of a code list of vocabulary it doesn't have to be standarized
Deirdre Lee: to be part of a code list of vocabulary it doesn't have to be standarized ←
17:23:07 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
17:23:14 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
17:23:14 <Caroline> ack deirdrelee
ack deirdrelee ←
17:23:14 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:23:29 <Caroline> laufer: I don't think we have to use informal things
Carlos Laufer: I don't think we have to use informal things ←
17:23:33 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
17:23:54 <Caroline> ... but I don't know that our BPs are restricted to things that are only standarized
... but I don't know that our BPs are restricted to things that are only standarized ←
17:24:02 <Caroline> ack yaso
ack yaso ←
17:24:06 <phila> Community Standard is the usual term for something everyone uses that isn't a formal standard
Phil Archer: Community Standard is the usual term for something everyone uses that isn't a formal standard ←
17:24:08 <deirdrelee> q+ to give example of informal codelist
Deirdre Lee: q+ to give example of informal codelist ←
17:24:19 <annette_g> I cannot hear anything
Annette Greiner: I cannot hear anything ←
17:24:22 <phila> Examples include RSS, GTFS, robots.txt etc.
Phil Archer: Examples include RSS, GTFS, robots.txt etc. ←
17:24:25 <Caroline> yaso: at netflix they classify films themselves
Yaso Córdova: at netflix they classify films themselves ←
17:24:41 <annette_g> * just been about a minute*
Annette Greiner: * just been about a minute* ←
17:24:42 <Caroline> ... they create a lot of relationships between the movies and what people write there
... they create a lot of relationships between the movies and what people write there ←
17:24:51 <Caroline> ... they don't use W3C standards
... they don't use W3C standards ←
17:25:08 <RiccardoAlbertoni> yes
Riccardo Albertoni: yes ←
17:25:10 <Makx> I think the term 'vocabulary' is really confusing!
Makx Dekkers: I think the term 'vocabulary' is really confusing! ←
17:25:14 <Caroline> ... are you saying that what netflix does would be that?
... are you saying that what netflix does would be that? ←
17:25:20 <Caroline> laufer: kind of
Carlos Laufer: kind of ←
17:25:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
17:25:45 <annette_g> * I got it, local problem *
Annette Greiner: * I got it, local problem * ←
17:25:52 <Caroline> yaso: if I have a online news agency I could have standards there
Yaso Córdova: if I have a online news agency I could have standards there ←
17:25:56 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
17:25:59 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
17:26:11 <Caroline> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: the purpose of this BPs is to increase the interoperability
Giancarlo Guizzardi: the purpose of this BPs is to increase the interoperability ←
17:26:22 <Caroline> ... to community to re-use vocabs
... to community to re-use vocabs ←
17:26:23 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:26:28 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
17:26:28 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to give example of informal codelist
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to give example of informal codelist ←
17:26:33 <Caroline> ... we could capture that on these terms
... we could capture that on these terms ←
17:26:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:27:08 <Caroline> deirdrelee: in Irland there are 4 or 5 vocabs valid for spacial references
Deirdre Lee: in Irland there are 4 or 5 vocabs valid for spacial references ←
17:27:16 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
17:27:33 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: we should define what we mean about standarized terms
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should define what we mean about standarized terms ←
17:27:44 <Caroline> ... I propose we keep it and put code list
... I propose we keep it and put code list ←
17:27:58 <Caroline> ... considering also Giancarlo_Guizzardi suggestion's to show the consensus about a term
... considering also Giancarlo_Guizzardi suggestion's to show the consensus about a term ←
17:28:01 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:28:01 <Makx> And also define what we mean by 'vocabulary'
Makx Dekkers: And also define what we mean by 'vocabulary' ←
17:28:09 <Caroline> ... we can rewrite it considering these comments
... we can rewrite it considering these comments ←
17:28:20 <BernadetteLoscio> yes Makx ;)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Makx ;) ←
17:28:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> It think it is more about shared vocabularies than standard vocabularies, i.e., vocabularies that capture a consensus of the community the dataset refers to
Giancarlo Guizzardi: It think it is more about shared vocabularies than standard vocabularies, i.e., vocabularies that capture a consensus of the community the dataset refers to ←
17:28:59 <annette_g> * is someone speaking/ *
Annette Greiner: * is someone speaking/ * ←
17:29:14 <RiccardoAlbertoni> could you write a proposal because I think I am a little lost ;)
Riccardo Albertoni: could you write a proposal because I think I am a little lost ;) ←
17:29:17 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :) ←
17:29:20 <phila> Draft proposals:
Phil Archer: Draft proposals: ←
17:29:20 <phila> - That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.
Phil Archer: - That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms. ←
17:29:20 <phila> - That Document vocabularies , Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.
Phil Archer: - That Document vocabularies , Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document. ←
17:29:20 <phila> - That Re-use vocabularies be retained
Phil Archer: - That Re-use vocabularies be retained ←
17:29:21 <phila> - That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed
Phil Archer: - That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed ←
17:29:25 <Caroline> phila: I have 4 proposals
Phil Archer: I have 4 proposals ←
17:29:42 <Caroline> ... before we do all that, is that a consensus?
... before we do all that, is that a consensus? ←
17:30:11 <laufer> +4
Carlos Laufer: +4 ←
17:30:11 <annette_g> +4
Annette Greiner: +4 ←
17:30:12 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
17:30:16 <Caroline> +4
+4 ←
17:30:25 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
17:30:31 <PeterWinstanley> q+
Peter Winstanley: q+ ←
17:30:36 <yaso> +4 also (new kind of voting)
Yaso Córdova: +4 also (new kind of voting) ←
17:30:41 <Caroline> deirdrelee: from the external comments and feedback was anything about it?
Deirdre Lee: from the external comments and feedback was anything about it? ←
17:30:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
17:30:46 <laufer> speed voting
Carlos Laufer: speed voting ←
17:30:48 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: no, only internal discussion for now
Bernadette Farias Loscio: no, only internal discussion for now ←
17:30:54 <yaso> ack PeterWinstanley
Yaso Córdova: ack PeterWinstanley ←
17:31:02 <Caroline> PeterWinstanley: I have to go! I see you tomorrow!
Peter Winstanley: I have to go! I see you tomorrow! ←
17:31:05 <annette_g> bye Peter!
Annette Greiner: bye Peter! ←
17:31:05 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +4 (+1 (but we should make sure that we don't mean Use Standardized Terms in creating your vocabulary and we don't mean "use the right formalization level in creating...")
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +4 (+1 (but we should make sure that we don't mean Use Standardized Terms in creating your vocabulary and we don't mean "use the right formalization level in creating...") ←
17:31:07 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:31:12 <Makx> -1
Makx Dekkers: -1 ←
17:31:15 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
17:31:30 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> and we don't mean re-use vocabularies in creating a vocabulary, etc...
Giancarlo Guizzardi: and we don't mean re-use vocabularies in creating a vocabulary, etc... ←
17:31:38 <Caroline> RiccardoAlbertoni: I am ok with it
Riccardo Albertoni: I am ok with it ←
17:31:58 <Caroline> ... but I would like to see something: "if you are defining your own vocab follow this"
... but I would like to see something: "if you are defining your own vocab follow this" ←
17:32:16 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:32:23 <Caroline> yaso: are you saying that we should recommend if someone is defining a new vocab
Yaso Córdova: are you saying that we should recommend if someone is defining a new vocab ←
17:32:32 <phila> The BP on re-using vocabs already points to the LD-BP document
Phil Archer: The BP on re-using vocabs already points to the LD-BP document ←
17:32:38 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:32:43 <deirdrelee> q+ that could be part of desc of bp18
Deirdre Lee: q+ that could be part of desc of bp18 ←
17:32:50 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
17:32:50 <Caroline> RiccardoAlbertoni: we should at least adjust to follow the document that has been done in Linked Data Government group, per example
Riccardo Albertoni: we should at least adjust to follow the document that has been done in Linked Data Government group, per example ←
17:32:51 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
17:32:57 <deirdrelee> q+ to sya that could be part of desc of bp18
Deirdre Lee: q+ to sya that could be part of desc of bp18 ←
17:33:03 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: we can put this in the section introduction
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can put this in the section introduction ←
17:33:08 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
17:33:08 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
17:33:12 <Caroline> ... that there are other materials
... that there are other materials ←
17:33:12 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:33:33 <Caroline> annette_g: if you have to create a vocabulary, how are we mentioning something that already exists?
Annette Greiner: if you have to create a vocabulary, how are we mentioning something that already exists? ←
17:33:38 <Caroline> q+
q+ ←
17:33:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
17:34:02 <Caroline> ... if you don't find a existing vocab you could use something that already exists
... if you don't find a existing vocab you could use something that already exists ←
17:34:02 <yaso> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
Yaso Córdova: ack RiccardoAlbertoni ←
17:34:31 <Caroline> RiccardoAlbertoni: if you have a data to publish and you have your own database and the schema is not mentioning what you are using
Riccardo Albertoni: if you have a data to publish and you have your own database and the schema is not mentioning what you are using ←
17:34:43 <Caroline> ... you need to define more portion of a vocab
... you need to define more portion of a vocab ←
17:34:59 <Caroline> ... as a publisher you have to make that undertandable
... as a publisher you have to make that undertandable ←
17:35:11 <Caroline> ... that is why you suppose to publish your vocabulary
... that is why you suppose to publish your vocabulary ←
17:35:22 <Caroline> ... and people can understand a specific attibute
... and people can understand a specific attibute ←
17:35:43 <Caroline> ... my suggestion is to put a link to Linked Data gov group because they already explain how to do data
... my suggestion is to put a link to Linked Data gov group because they already explain how to do data ←
17:36:12 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
17:36:12 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to sya that could be part of desc of bp18
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to sya that could be part of desc of bp18 ←
17:36:12 <Caroline> ... if you don't want to go to linked data we can suggest that it could rely on something else
... if you don't want to go to linked data we can suggest that it could rely on something else ←
17:36:17 <Caroline> deirdrelee: I agree with RiccardoAlbertoni
Deirdre Lee: I agree with RiccardoAlbertoni ←
17:36:26 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
17:36:34 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
17:36:39 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
17:36:40 <Caroline> ... we can mention the vocabs to be seen
... we can mention the vocabs to be seen ←
17:36:46 <Caroline> phila: there is already in the BPs
Phil Archer: there is already in the BPs ←
17:36:51 <Caroline> ... it could be enphasized
... it could be emphazied ←
17:37:08 <Caroline> s/enphasized/emphazied
17:37:17 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:37:29 <yaso> ack Caroline
Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline ←
17:37:41 <phila> RiccardoAlbertoni: Yes, it's there but we should emphasise that the doc talks about creating vocabs if they don't already exist.
Riccardo Albertoni: Yes, it's there but we should emphasise that the doc talks about creating vocabs if they don't already exist. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:38:30 <Caroline> Makx: BP 18 we use in a way that RDF uses vocabs
Makx Dekkers: BP 18 we use in a way that RDF uses vocabs ←
17:38:44 <Caroline> ... in DCAT they talk in a different way
... in DCAT they talk in a different way ←
17:39:02 <Caroline> ... sometimes we use vocabs differently
... sometimes we use vocabs differently ←
17:39:22 <Caroline> ... my suggestion is that where we use vocabs as attibutes
... my suggestion is that where we use vocabs as attibutes ←
17:39:23 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
17:39:40 <Caroline> ... so people who are not familiar with linked data don't get confused
... so people who are not familiar with linked data don't get confused ←
17:39:41 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
17:39:50 <Caroline> ... I agree that on 14 we use the word standarized terms
... I agree that on 14 we use the word standarized terms ←
17:40:08 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:40:14 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
17:40:32 <Caroline> laufer: when we are publishing data we have a BP to provide structural metadata
Carlos Laufer: when we are publishing data we have a BP to provide structural metadata ←
17:40:43 <Caroline> ... a vocab like FOAF doesn't need to be explained
... a vocab like FOAF doesn't need to be explained ←
17:41:11 <Caroline> ... if I will publish my own ontology the linked data WG can show how to do it
... if I will publish my own ontology the linked data WG can show how to do it ←
17:41:20 <Caroline> ... we could put a link to this document
... we could put a link to this document ←
17:41:26 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
17:41:27 <Caroline> ... I think we don't have to say how to do this
... I think we don't have to say how to do this ←
17:41:53 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:41:55 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I think we can keep Phil's proposal and change the one to re-use the term vocab and say that the term vocab can be defined
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we can keep Phil's proposal and change the one to re-use the term vocab and say that the term vocab can be defined ←
17:42:07 <Caroline> ... Makx do you agree?
... Makx do you agree? ←
17:42:12 <phila> draft 3 becomes... - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes
Phil Archer: draft 3 becomes... - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes ←
17:42:39 <phila> i.e. we get
Phil Archer: i.e. we get ←
17:42:40 <phila> Draft proposals:
Phil Archer: Draft proposals: ←
17:42:40 <phila> - That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.
Phil Archer: - That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms. ←
17:42:40 <phila> - That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.
Phil Archer: - That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document. ←
17:42:40 <phila> - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes
Phil Archer: - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes ←
17:42:41 <Sumit_Purohit> present++
Sumit Purohit: present++ ←
17:42:41 <phila> - That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed
Phil Archer: - That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed ←
17:42:49 <phila> present+ Sumit_Purohit
Phil Archer: present+ Sumit_Purohit ←
17:42:50 <yaso> Hi Sumit_Purohit :-)
Yaso Córdova: Hi Sumit_Purohit :-) ←
17:42:55 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:43:00 <Sumit_Purohit> Hi Everyone.
Sumit Purohit: Hi Everyone. ←
17:43:05 <phila> PROPOSED: That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.
PROPOSED: That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms. ←
17:43:12 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
17:43:13 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
17:43:14 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
17:43:14 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
17:43:15 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
17:43:15 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
17:43:16 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
17:43:19 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
17:43:19 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
17:43:19 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
17:43:19 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
17:43:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
17:43:27 <phila> RESOLVED: That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms.
RESOLVED: That Use Standardized Terms be amended to refer to code lists and other commonly used terms. ←
17:43:27 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1+
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Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb: +1+ ←
17:43:33 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
17:43:35 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 ←
17:43:35 <phila> PROPOSED: That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.
PROPOSED: That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document. ←
17:43:41 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
17:43:43 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
17:43:43 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
17:43:44 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 ←
17:43:45 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
17:43:46 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
17:43:47 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
17:43:48 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
17:43:49 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
17:43:55 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
17:43:55 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
17:43:58 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
17:44:01 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
17:44:07 <phila> RESOLVED: That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document.
RESOLVED: That Document vocabularies, Share vocabularies in an open way, Vocabulary versioning be removed from the document. ←
17:44:14 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:44:15 <phila> PROPOSED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes
PROPOSED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but the term vocabulary should be defined as a set of attributes ←
17:44:22 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
17:44:24 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
17:44:25 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
17:44:25 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
17:44:27 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
17:44:27 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
17:44:28 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
17:44:28 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
17:44:31 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
17:44:33 <antoine> 0
Antoine Isaac: 0 ←
17:44:50 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
17:44:54 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
17:45:02 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
17:45:49 <Caroline> antoine: I have been though this once
Antoine Isaac: I have been though this once ←
17:45:53 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:46:18 <Caroline> antoine: if the group feels this should be there I am not opposing this
Antoine Isaac: if the group feels this should be there I am not opposing this ←
17:46:29 <Makx> Current text in intro says "According to W3C, vocabularies define the concepts and relationships (also referred to as “terms”) ..."
Makx Dekkers: Current text in intro says "According to W3C, vocabularies define the concepts and relationships (also referred to as “terms”) ..." ←
17:46:42 <Caroline> ... I am just warning it is not easy to do it
... I am just warning it is not easy to do it ←
17:46:51 <Makx> Let's add (... "terms" or "attributes")
Makx Dekkers: Let's add (... "terms" or "attributes") ←
17:47:04 <Caroline> ... this section has 4 paragraphs trying to describe what vocab is
... this section has 4 paragraphs trying to describe what vocab is ←
17:47:11 <Caroline> q+
q+ ←
17:47:11 <phila> yaso: You're saying it will be difficult to re-write that BP. I wrote those 4 paragraphs introducing the section. It took several weeks - it's not easy
Yaso Córdova: You're saying it will be difficult to re-write that BP. I wrote those 4 paragraphs introducing the section. It took several weeks - it's not easy [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:47:15 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
17:47:15 <ericstephan> +1 Makx
Eric Stephan: +1 Makx ←
17:47:21 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:47:25 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
17:47:27 <Caroline> yaso: I was going to propose a extention of this definition
Yaso Córdova: I was going to propose a extention of this definition ←
17:47:43 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I don't know if we can define a vocab as a set of atributes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I don't know if we can define a vocab as a set of atributes ←
17:47:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to Makx's proposal to add (... "terms" or "attributes") into "According to W3C, vocabularies define the concepts and relationships (also referred to as “terms”) ..."
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to Makx's proposal to add (... "terms" or "attributes") into "According to W3C, vocabularies define the concepts and relationships (also referred to as “terms”) ..." ←
17:48:00 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
17:48:04 <Caroline> ... Makx do you agree with the definition we have now?
... Makx do you agree with the definition we have now? ←
17:48:29 <Caroline> Makx: on the first paragraph it could be add to refer as terms or atributes
Makx Dekkers: on the first paragraph it could be add to refer as terms or atributes ←
17:48:32 <phila> Makx: Rather than terms, refer to terms and attributes
Makx Dekkers: Rather than terms, refer to terms and attributes [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:48:43 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
17:48:49 <Caroline> q-
q- ←
17:49:07 <yaso> ack Makx
Yaso Córdova: ack Makx ←
17:49:19 <phila> Draft 3 - - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community
Phil Archer: Draft 3 - - That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community ←
17:49:43 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
17:50:06 <Caroline> antoine: if the proposal is that only adding attributes I am fine with it
Antoine Isaac: if the proposal is that only adding attributes I am fine with it ←
17:50:11 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
17:50:14 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
17:50:16 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
17:50:17 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
17:50:18 <phila> antoine: Happy if we're talking about adding a few words rather than rewriting
Antoine Isaac: Happy if we're talking about adding a few words rather than rewriting [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
17:50:20 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
17:50:38 <phila> PROPOSED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community
PROPOSED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community ←
17:50:41 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
17:50:43 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
17:50:46 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
17:50:48 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
17:50:49 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
17:50:49 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
17:50:50 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
17:50:52 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
17:50:57 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
17:50:57 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
17:51:00 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
17:51:00 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> +1
Giancarlo Guizzardi: +1 ←
17:51:04 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
17:51:15 <phila> RESOLVED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community
RESOLVED: That Re-use vocabularies be retained but that it should refer to 'terms or attributes' to broaden the acceptance beyond the LD community ←
17:51:20 <phila> PROPOSED: That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed
PROPOSED: That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed ←
17:51:39 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
17:51:40 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
17:51:42 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
17:51:43 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
17:51:44 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
17:51:46 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
17:51:48 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
17:51:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
17:52:00 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
17:52:07 <phila> RESOLVED: That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed
RESOLVED: That Choose the right formalization level be reviewed ←
17:52:26 <deirdrelee> close issue-166
Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-166 ←
17:52:27 <trackbot> Closed issue-166.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-166. ←
17:52:27 <phila> close issue-166
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-166 ←
17:52:27 <trackbot> Closed issue-166.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-166. ←
17:52:32 <yaso> o/
Yaso Córdova: o/ ←
17:52:37 <phila> Bernadette is happy!
Phil Archer: Bernadette is happy! ←
17:52:58 <Sumit_Purohit> OK....
Sumit Purohit: OK.... ←
17:53:01 <yaso> we can return in 5 minutes!!
Yaso Córdova: we can return in 5 minutes!! ←
17:53:04 <deirdrelee> 5 minute break (tea has arrived!)
Deirdre Lee: 5 minute break (tea has arrived!) ←
17:54:17 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
17:54:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
18:05:04 <ericstephan> back from coffee run
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Eric Stephan: back from coffee run ←
18:05:21 <Sumit_Purohit> No one wants to come back from tea ??? :-)
Sumit Purohit: No one wants to come back from tea ??? :-) ←
18:05:45 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145
Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145 ←
18:06:33 <phila> Topic: open issues/actions about identification
18:06:35 <deirdrelee> issue-145
18:06:35 <trackbot> issue-145 -- It makes sense to have a BP "Use unique identifiers"? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-145 -- It makes sense to have a BP "Use unique identifiers"? -- open ←
18:06:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145 ←
18:06:39 <deirdrelee> issue-163
18:06:39 <trackbot> issue-163 -- Should the bp document refer to uris or identifiers -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-163 -- Should the bp document refer to uris or identifiers -- open ←
18:06:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163 ←
18:06:42 <deirdrelee> issue-194
18:06:42 <trackbot> issue-194 -- Data Identification -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-194 -- Data Identification -- open ←
18:06:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194 ←
18:07:00 <annette_g> * what one are we on? *
Annette Greiner: * what one are we on? * ←
18:07:12 <deirdrelee> all three annette_g
Deirdre Lee: all three annette_g ←
18:07:19 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLos
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18:07:31 <deirdrelee> grouped together under agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
Deirdre Lee: grouped together under agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP ←
18:07:36 <newtoncalegari> BernadetteLoscio: the issues on the agenda are grouped by topic
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the issues on the agenda are grouped by topic [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
18:07:41 <deirdrelee> all issues about identification
Deirdre Lee: all issues about identification ←
18:07:52 <deirdrelee> BartvanLeeuwen: let's look at all three together
Bart van Leeuwen: let's look at all three together [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
18:08:11 <deirdrelee> ... lots of discussion on mailing list around uris
Deirdre Lee: ... lots of discussion on mailing list around uris ←
18:08:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: next one BP 194
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: next one BP 194 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ] ←
18:08:24 <deirdrelee> s/bartvanleeuwen/bernadetteloscio
Deirdre Lee: s/bartvanleeuwen/bernadetteloscio (warning: replacement failed) ←
18:08:36 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:09:19 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:09:23 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: about data identification section, talking about some messages (33) about this topic
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: about data identification section, talking about some messages (33) about this topic [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ] ←
18:09:39 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: is this issue still opened?
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: is this issue still opened? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ] ←
18:09:54 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: ask Annette about her opinion
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: ask Annette about her opinion [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ] ←
18:10:26 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145
Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/145 ←
18:10:38 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: the first one is solved (145)
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Annette Greiner: the first one is solved (145) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ] ←
18:10:45 <deirdrelee> close issue-145
Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-145 ←
18:10:45 <trackbot> Closed issue-145.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-145. ←
18:10:55 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163
Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/163 ←
18:11:07 <deirdrelee> close issue-163
Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-163 ←
18:11:09 <trackbot> Closed issue-163.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-163. ←
18:11:12 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194
Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/194 ←
18:11:28 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:12:11 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: 194 is about limiting this section to information that applies to publishing *data*
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Yaso Córdova: 194 is about limiting this section to information that applies to publishing *data* [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ] ←
18:12:14 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:12:36 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
18:13:05 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout
PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout ←
18:13:08 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
18:13:26 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
18:13:28 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
18:14:01 <Makx> +1 to annette
Makx Dekkers: +1 to annette ←
18:14:06 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> deirdrelee: decision is to use URI or not? Let´s clarify it
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Deirdre Lee: decision is to use URI or not? Let´s clarify it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ] ←
18:14:18 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
18:14:20 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:15:33 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a differfnet term (URL, IRI etc.)
PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a differfnet term (URL, IRI etc.) ←
18:15:39 <ericstephan> +1 to consistent and intentional use of uri
Eric Stephan: +1 to consistent and intentional use of uri ←
18:15:40 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
18:15:45 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)
PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.) ←
18:16:04 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
18:16:14 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
18:16:24 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
18:16:52 <BernadetteLoscio> q=
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q= ←
18:16:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to phila about keeping the information
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to phila about keeping the information ←
18:17:10 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
18:17:39 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: include the description of the terms and other point is to use this terms in the document
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: include the description of the terms and other point is to use this terms in the document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ] ←
18:17:43 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
18:18:22 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
18:18:40 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
18:19:03 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
18:19:07 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> phila: it is important to have definitions informed in the document
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Phil Archer: it is important to have definitions informed in the document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb ] ←
18:19:13 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
18:19:16 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
18:20:23 <Makx> -1 to Phil
Makx Dekkers: -1 to Phil ←
18:20:31 <annette_g> -1
Annette Greiner: -1 ←
18:20:51 <Makx> +1 to Ivan
Makx Dekkers: +1 to Ivan ←
18:21:14 <Makx> Let's not go there
Makx Dekkers: Let's not go there ←
18:21:23 <phila> +1 makx, let's not
Phil Archer: +1 makx, let's not ←
18:21:23 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:21:35 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)
PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.) ←
18:21:43 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
18:21:43 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
18:21:45 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
18:21:50 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
18:21:53 <Sumit_Purohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
18:22:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
18:22:17 <annette_g> * I keep seeing URI *
Annette Greiner: * I keep seeing URI * ←
18:22:19 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
18:22:21 <Caroline> +1
+1 ←
18:22:28 <annette_g> * in W3C space *
Annette Greiner: * in W3C space * ←
18:22:32 <annette_g> -1 to IRI
Annette Greiner: -1 to IRI ←
18:22:54 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
18:22:56 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:23:01 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
18:23:14 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline
18:23:46 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:23:57 <Caroline> annette_g: using countries specific IRIs I don't think is a BP to include that
Annette Greiner: using countries specific IRIs I don't think is a BP to include that ←
18:24:09 <Caroline> phila: it is better to use URI considering data
Phil Archer: it is better to use URI considering data ←
18:24:22 <Caroline> annette_g: I think is a BP of everything on the Web
Annette Greiner: I think is a BP of everything on the Web ←
18:24:22 <Sumit_Purohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
18:24:27 <Caroline> ... I want to keep it as data
... I want to keep it as data ←
18:24:37 <Caroline> phila: We can stick as URI
Phil Archer: We can stick as URI ←
18:24:43 <yaso> ack Sumit_Purohit
Yaso Córdova: ack Sumit_Purohit ←
18:24:55 <Caroline> ... a lot of people will ready any say "you mean URL"
... a lot of people will ready any say "you mean URL" ←
18:25:02 <Caroline> scribe: AdrianoCesar-InWeb
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(Scribe set to Unknown AdrianoCesar-InWeb)
18:25:24 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:25:45 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
18:25:47 <Makx> I second Annette and I am not American
Makx Dekkers: I second Annette and I am not American ←
18:26:00 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
18:26:04 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
18:26:19 <newtoncalegari> http://sãopaulo.gov.br/example/dataset
Newton Calegari: http://sãopaulo.gov.br/example/dataset ←
18:26:21 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
18:26:36 <newtoncalegari> http://saopaulo.gov.br
Newton Calegari: http://saopaulo.gov.br ←
18:26:57 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:27:02 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> newtoncalegari: give an example of saopaulo.gov.br, the idea is to use an international format
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Newton Calegari: give an example of saopaulo.gov.br, the idea is to use an international format ←
18:27:36 <deirdrelee> sa0pa0l0.gov.br
Deirdre Lee: sa0pa0l0.gov.br ←
18:27:38 <phila> +1 to the security issue
Phil Archer: +1 to the security issue ←
18:27:49 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:28:07 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
18:28:11 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
18:28:15 <phila> +1 _ I can't write Sao Paulo properly and easily without copying and pasting from somewhere else
Phil Archer: +1 _ I can't write Sao Paulo properly and easily without copying and pasting from somewhere else ←
18:29:01 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
18:29:03 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
18:29:31 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
18:30:01 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
18:30:11 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> phila: W3C suggests to use international format, avoid to use special characters
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Phil Archer: W3C suggests to use international format, avoid to use special characters ←
18:30:31 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
18:30:38 <newtoncalegari> +1 deirdree
Newton Calegari: +1 deirdree ←
18:30:48 <yaso> +1 to deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: +1 to deirdrelee ←
18:30:52 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
18:30:57 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
18:31:10 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: this is important for everything on the Web, not only for data
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Annette Greiner: this is important for everything on the Web, not only for data ←
18:31:14 <Sumit_Purohit> +1 deirdrelee
Sumit Purohit: +1 deirdrelee ←
18:31:16 <yaso> +1 to newtoncalegari proposal
Yaso Córdova: +1 to newtoncalegari proposal ←
18:31:29 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> newtoncalegari: it is important to justify the need to suggest this
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Newton Calegari: it is important to justify the need to suggest this ←
18:31:29 <annette_g> in a tiny little footnote
Annette Greiner: in a tiny little footnote ←
18:31:40 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:31:47 <Makx> Let's just keep the intro of section 9.7 as it is.
Makx Dekkers: Let's just keep the intro of section 9.7 as it is. ←
18:31:58 <newtoncalegari> newton: we can use URI and warn about the security issue. what do you think?
Newton Calegari: we can use URI and warn about the security issue. what do you think? [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
18:32:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> laufer: We are recommending to use URI?
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Carlos Laufer: We are recommending to use URI? ←
18:32:42 <newtoncalegari> maybe we should recommend to avoid using special characters
Newton Calegari: maybe we should recommend to avoid using special characters ←
18:32:53 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1 to newtoncalegari
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+1 to newtoncalegari ←
18:33:09 <Sumit_Purohit> need to leave for a meeting..Will be back.
Sumit Purohit: need to leave for a meeting..Will be back. ←
18:33:28 <newtoncalegari> annette_g, not using special characters we tend to avoid some security issues, right?
Newton Calegari: annette_g, not using special characters we tend to avoid some security issues, right? ←
18:33:36 <annette_g> right
Annette Greiner: right ←
18:34:35 <yaso> +1 to newton
Yaso Córdova: +1 to newton ←
18:35:21 <yaso> annette_g is not happy with the definition
Yaso Córdova: annette_g is not happy with the definition ←
18:35:34 <phila> PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7
PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7 ←
18:35:51 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: propose to describe this definition
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Annette Greiner: propose to describe this definition ←
18:36:13 <phila> Other proposal is to use the term URI throughout
Phil Archer: Other proposal is to use the term URI throughout ←
18:36:25 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: we can record that the group agree to use URIs
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can record that the group agree to use URIs ←
18:36:30 <phila> +1 not to discuss this any more
Phil Archer: +1 not to discuss this any more ←
18:36:49 <phila> annette_g: This is about our own writing, not what other people should do
Annette Greiner: This is about our own writing, not what other people should do [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
18:36:54 <yaso> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout
PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout ←
18:36:54 <phila> PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7
PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7 ←
18:37:18 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:37:25 <laufer> q-
Carlos Laufer: q- ←
18:37:35 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
18:37:44 <newtoncalegari> -1
Newton Calegari: -1 ←
18:38:01 <Makx> keep the second part
Makx Dekkers: keep the second part ←
18:38:36 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
18:38:38 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: proposing to rewrite the introduction of the section
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: proposing to rewrite the introduction of the section ←
18:38:41 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
18:38:48 <annette_g> PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7
PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7 ←
18:38:56 <yaso> ack Caroline
Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline ←
18:39:50 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> Caroline: suggest to explain the definitions, but to explain all definitions
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Caroline Burle: suggest to explain the definitions, but to explain all definitions ←
18:40:01 <yaso> sorry, annette_g
Yaso Córdova: sorry, annette_g ←
18:40:11 <yaso> speak slowly, please!
Yaso Córdova: speak slowly, please! ←
18:40:17 <phila> annette_g: Says this is as crazy as including a definition of antidisestablishmentarianism because we think it's cool
Annette Greiner: Says this is as crazy as including a definition of antidisestablishmentarianism because we think it's cool [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
18:40:39 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: there is no reason to define if we are not going to discuss in the document
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Annette Greiner: there is no reason to define if we are not going to discuss in the document ←
18:40:40 <laufer> +1 to phil proposal
Carlos Laufer: +1 to phil proposal ←
18:40:46 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
18:41:15 <annette_g> maybe we need to decide first whether we are going to include anything about identifiers
Annette Greiner: maybe we need to decide first whether we are going to include anything about identifiers ←
18:41:17 <yaso> +1 to newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: +1 to newtoncalegari ←
18:41:24 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> newtoncalegari: someone is reading the document to learn, as a W3C document we need to inform the difference between URI, URL etc
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Newton Calegari: someone is reading the document to learn, as a W3C document we need to inform the difference between URI, URL etc ←
18:41:39 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> ... therefore prefer to keep this in the document
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... therefore prefer to keep this in the document ←
18:41:45 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
18:42:02 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
18:42:21 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> phila: I desagree with that because the definition can generate more discussion, since there is no clear definition about these terms
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Phil Archer: I desagree with that because the definition can generate more discussion, since there is no clear definition about these terms ←
18:42:21 <Seiji> +1 to phil
Seiji Isotani: +1 to phil ←
18:42:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to phil
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 to phil ←
18:42:35 <annette_g> +1 to phil
Annette Greiner: +1 to phil ←
18:42:40 <laufer> completely agree +1
Carlos Laufer: completely agree +1 ←
18:42:53 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> +1 to phil
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+1 to phil ←
18:43:21 <newtoncalegari> +1 for that proposal
Newton Calegari: +1 for that proposal ←
18:43:21 <phila> PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7
PROPOSED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7 ←
18:43:21 <yaso> +1 to phil
Yaso Córdova: +1 to phil ←
18:43:25 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
18:43:25 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
18:43:27 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
18:43:28 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
18:43:29 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
18:43:30 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
18:43:31 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
18:43:34 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
18:43:34 <Seiji> +1
Seiji Isotani: +1 ←
18:43:35 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
18:43:46 <adrianov> +1
Adriano Veloso: +1 ←
18:43:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
18:44:12 <phila> RESOLVED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7
RESOLVED: That the definitions of URI, URL and IRI be removed from the draft section 9.7 ←
18:44:14 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: next item
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Yaso Córdova: next item ←
18:44:42 <phila> PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)
Phil Archer: PROPOSED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.) ←
18:44:54 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
18:44:57 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
18:44:57 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
18:44:59 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
18:45:00 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
18:45:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
18:45:00 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
18:45:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
18:45:01 <Seiji> 0
Seiji Isotani: 0 ←
18:45:04 <Gisele> +1
Gisele Pappa: +1 ←
18:45:06 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
18:45:07 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
18:45:07 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
18:45:17 <yaso> -q
Yaso Córdova: -q ←
18:45:19 <laufer> +1 (to define what is a clear reason)
Carlos Laufer: +1 (to define what is a clear reason) ←
18:45:33 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
18:45:55 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
18:45:56 <phila> RESOLVED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.)
RESOLVED: That the BP document will use the term 'URI' throughout, unless there is a clear reason to use a different term (URL, IRI etc.) ←
18:46:15 <phila> annette_g: What's there now is not specific about data on the Web, it's about anything on the Web
Annette Greiner: What's there now is not specific about data on the Web, it's about anything on the Web [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
18:47:16 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> phila: there is a confussion about what each of these terms represent...
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Phil Archer: there is a confussion about what each of these terms represent... ←
18:47:50 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
18:48:00 <yaso> +1 to phila
Yaso Córdova: +1 to phila ←
18:48:10 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
18:49:31 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
18:49:37 <phila> annette_g: It's the bulletted list I object to
Annette Greiner: It's the bulletted list I object to [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
18:49:40 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
18:49:42 <phila> phila: It's gone
Phil Archer: It's gone [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
18:50:02 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
18:50:03 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
18:50:09 <phila> annette_g: You can't put something on the web without using a URI so it's pointless saying that you need to give datasets a URI
Annette Greiner: You can't put something on the web without using a URI so it's pointless saying that you need to give datasets a URI [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
18:50:22 <newtoncalegari> q-
Newton Calegari: q- ←
18:50:23 <phila> q+ to try and squatre this circle
Phil Archer: q+ to try and squatre this circle ←
18:50:42 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
18:50:43 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
18:51:08 <annette_g> PROPOSED: that the best practice about identifiers be rewritten to address issues when posting data on the web.
PROPOSED: that the best practice about identifiers be rewritten to address issues when posting data on the web. ←
18:51:48 <newtoncalegari> ack phila
Newton Calegari: ack phila ←
18:51:48 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to try and squatre this circle
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to try and squatre this circle ←
18:51:57 <phila> some draft text - When any resource is put on the Web, it has a URI. Many URIs are generated automatically but when sharing data, it is useful to bear in mind the following factors
Phil Archer: some draft text - When any resource is put on the Web, it has a URI. Many URIs are generated automatically but when sharing data, it is useful to bear in mind the following factors ←
18:52:14 <yaso> +1 to phil
Yaso Córdova: +1 to phil ←
18:54:39 <deirdrelee> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DocumentVocabularies
Deirdre Lee: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DocumentVocabularies ←
18:55:16 <phila> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#UniqueIdentifiers
Phil Archer: http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#UniqueIdentifiers ←
18:55:39 <newtoncalegari> "So what should I do? Designing URIs" http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html
Newton Calegari: "So what should I do? Designing URIs"//www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html ←
18:56:49 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:57:01 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
18:57:07 <yaso> Ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: Ack laufer ←
18:57:07 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
18:57:35 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> laufer: if an information does not have an URI, then it is not on the Web...
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Carlos Laufer: if an information does not have an URI, then it is not on the Web... ←
18:57:47 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
18:58:06 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:59:12 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
18:59:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: proposing to try to finish the discussion about this issue
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Yaso Córdova: proposing to try to finish the discussion about this issue ←
18:59:21 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
18:59:53 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
19:00:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: we are going to use URI as identifier, ok? Yes
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are going to use URI as identifier, ok? Yes ←
19:00:36 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: now we are discussing the best practice, is a different issue, right?
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: now we are discussing the best practice, is a different issue, right? ←
19:00:56 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: suggest to annette_g to describe this issue about the best practice...
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Yaso Córdova: suggest to annette_g to describe this issue about the best practice... ←
19:01:07 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:01:15 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> annette_g: I can try it, describing this issue
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Annette Greiner: I can try it, describing this issue ←
19:02:28 <ericstephan> +1 phila
Eric Stephan: +1 phila ←
19:03:00 <phila> action: phila to take another run at the BP Use persistent URIs as identifiers
ACTION: phila to take another run at the BP Use persistent URIs as identifiers ←
19:03:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-204 - Take another run at the bp use persistent uris as identifiers [on Phil Archer - due 2015-10-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-204 - Take another run at the bp use persistent uris as identifiers [on Phil Archer - due 2015-10-01]. ←
19:03:11 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
19:03:27 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: we can close the 3 open issues... ok
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can close the 3 open issues... ok ←
19:03:31 <phila> close issue-145
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-145 ←
19:03:31 <trackbot> Closed issue-145.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-145. ←
19:03:36 <phila> close issue-163
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-163 ←
19:03:36 <trackbot> Closed issue-163.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-163. ←
19:03:36 <yaso> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning
Yaso Córdova: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning ←
19:03:42 <phila> close issue-194
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-194 ←
19:03:42 <trackbot> Closed issue-194.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-194. ←
19:03:48 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: next topic - Discuss the versioning section and resolve open issues (30 min.)
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Yaso Córdova: next topic - Discuss the versioning section and resolve open issues (30 min.) ←
19:03:53 <yaso> ISSUE-193
19:03:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Data Versioning -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-193 -- Data Versioning -- open ←
19:03:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/193
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/193 ←
19:04:08 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
19:04:16 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
19:04:40 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: in the last Draft (last F2F) we discuss about data versioning...
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: in the last Draft (last F2F) we discuss about data versioning... ←
19:05:12 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> there was a diagram and we had discussed by email about this... about the meaning of a versioning
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there was a diagram and we had discussed by email about this... about the meaning of a versioning ←
19:05:24 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:05:32 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> We agree that time series is not a case of versioning...
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We agree that time series is not a case of versioning... ←
19:05:48 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:05:50 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> We try to explain better the meaning for versioning for this document
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We try to explain better the meaning for versioning for this document ←
19:06:26 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
19:06:29 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/193
Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/193 ←
19:06:35 <BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning
Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning ←
19:06:36 <phila> http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning
Phil Archer: http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning ←
19:06:36 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: annette_g, do you agree with this proposal? Look in agenda, item 193
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: annette_g, do you agree with this proposal? Look in agenda, item 193 ←
19:07:18 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> BernadetteLoscio: one thing is our definition of data versioning
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Bernadette Farias Loscio: one thing is our definition of data versioning ←
19:07:21 <phila> s/ http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning//
19:07:26 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP
Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP ←
19:07:35 <phila> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning
Phil Archer: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning ←
19:07:36 <Caroline> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning
Caroline Burle: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning ←
19:07:36 <BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning
Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning ←
19:08:48 <yaso> close issue-193
Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-193 ←
19:08:48 <trackbot> Closed issue-193.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-193. ←
19:08:49 <AdrianoCesar-InWeb> yaso: is it ok to close this issue (193)?
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Yaso Córdova: is it ok to close this issue (193)? ←
19:09:02 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
19:10:03 <ericstephan> I have to leave in 20 minutes unfortunately...
Eric Stephan: I have to leave in 20 minutes unfortunately... ←
19:10:04 <Makx> I need to leave in 20 minutes, dinner time
Makx Dekkers: I need to leave in 20 minutes, dinner time ←
19:10:15 <RiccardoAlbertoni> I am going to stay only for 10/20 minutes
Riccardo Albertoni: I am going to stay only for 10/20 minutes ←
19:10:18 <Seiji> need to leave
Seiji Isotani: need to leave ←
19:10:53 <yaso> so we are going for more 20 min
Yaso Córdova: so we are going for more 20 min ←
19:10:57 <Caroline> scribe: WagnerMeiraJr
(Scribe set to Wagner Meira Jr.)
19:11:32 <phila> issue-168?
19:11:32 <trackbot> issue-168 -- Dataset versioning -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-168 -- Dataset versioning -- open ←
19:11:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/168
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/168 ←
19:11:49 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: Going to issue 168. Newton, can you start?
Yaso Córdova: Going to ISSUE-168. Newton, can you start? ←
19:12:22 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: I was working on this issue in the 1st part of the meeting: which vocabulary to use in versioning?
Newton Calegari: I was working on this issue in the 1st part of the meeting: which vocabulary to use in versioning? ←
19:12:28 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:12:50 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: I'd like to know what is the suggestion for using when defining versions?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'd like to know what is the suggestion for using when defining versions? ←
19:12:59 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: Any other suggestions?
Yaso Córdova: Any other suggestions? ←
19:13:30 <WagnerMeiraJr> phila: We cannot make a normative dependency. It is one possible way, but I do not want to do it.
Phil Archer: We cannot make a normative dependency. It is one possible way, but I do not want to do it. ←
19:13:41 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: It is just to give an example.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is just to give an example. ←
19:13:50 <annette_g> link?
Annette Greiner: link? ←
19:14:16 <phila> -> http://pav-ontology.github.io/pav/ PAV
Phil Archer: -> http://pav-ontology.github.io/pav/ PAV ←
19:14:17 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: I think that it is ok to use for sake of an example section.
Yaso Córdova: I think that it is ok to use for sake of an example section. ←
19:14:29 <antoine> +1 to use Memento as a (quite different) alternative to PAV
Antoine Isaac: +1 to use Memento as a (quite different) alternative to PAV ←
19:14:55 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: There is an issue (3), the beginning of data version that motivates it.
Newton Calegari: There is an issue (3), the beginning of data version that motivates it. ←
19:15:18 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: Seems ok to me.
Yaso Córdova: Seems ok to me. ←
19:16:25 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:16:37 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
19:16:37 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: It is not just because it is an open issue that it is worth doing it. We will close issues 92 and 68. What's the opinion of the group regarding changes in the data. It is not clear whether updating the schema is a new version or not. Does this new attribute justify a new version?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is not just because it is an open issue that it is worth doing it. We will close issues 92 and 68. What's the opinion of the group regarding changes in the data. It is not clear whether updating the schema is a new version or not. Does this new attribute justify a new version? ←
19:16:38 <newtoncalegari> q
Newton Calegari: q ←
19:16:43 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
19:16:47 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
19:16:48 <Seiji> q+
Seiji Isotani: q+ ←
19:16:53 <WagnerMeiraJr> antoine: Not sure I understood the point.
Antoine Isaac: Not sure I understood the point. ←
19:17:10 <newtoncalegari> q+ ask about versioning data in streams
Newton Calegari: q+ ask about versioning data in streams ←
19:17:11 <annette_g> +1 to letting the publisher decide
Annette Greiner: +1 to letting the publisher decide ←
19:17:16 <newtoncalegari> q?
Newton Calegari: q? ←
19:17:32 <WagnerMeiraJr> antoine: In the case you mentioned it does not sound to me it is the case to create a new version.
Antoine Isaac: In the case you mentioned it does not sound to me it is the case to create a new version. ←
19:17:52 <phila> q+ to say we shouldn't define when a new version is a new version
Phil Archer: q+ to say we shouldn't define when a new version is a new version ←
19:17:54 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: Sometimes the published does not know whether it is the case of creating a new version.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Sometimes the published does not know whether it is the case of creating a new version. ←
19:18:00 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
19:18:02 <WagnerMeiraJr> antoine: Let the publisher decide.
Antoine Isaac: Let the publisher decide. ←
19:18:06 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
19:18:13 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
19:18:46 <yaso> ack Seiji
Yaso Córdova: ack Seiji ←
19:18:48 <WagnerMeiraJr> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: If we use the vocab and onto, there could be changes in them that do not change the semantics, but if the latter change, it should be anew evrsion.
Giancarlo Guizzardi: If we use the vocab and onto, there could be changes in them that do not change the semantics, but if the latter change, it should be anew evrsion. ←
19:18:57 <newtoncalegari> q+ to ask about versioning in data streams
Newton Calegari: q+ to ask about versioning in data streams ←
19:18:57 <WagnerMeiraJr> Seiji: Same comment of Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Seiji Isotani: Same comment of Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
19:19:03 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
19:19:12 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
19:19:12 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to say we shouldn't define when a new version is a new version
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to say we shouldn't define when a new version is a new version ←
19:19:20 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: The publisher may decide, but we at least sign about it.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: The publisher may decide, but we at least sign about it. ←
19:19:40 <WagnerMeiraJr> phila: When does something change enough? It is such a difficult question.
Phil Archer: When does something change enough? It is such a difficult question. ←
19:19:42 <Makx> yes, it's a can of worms
Makx Dekkers: yes, it's a can of worms ←
19:19:46 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:20:05 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: We tried to define based on the discussions.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We tried to define based on the discussions. ←
19:20:31 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
19:20:43 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: We should give some guidance to the publisher. If the definition is not good enough, we should not do it.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We should give some guidance to the publisher. If the definition is not good enough, we should not do it. ←
19:20:59 <phila> Mind you, I like the text in http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning
Phil Archer: Mind you, I like the text in http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVersioning ←
19:21:29 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
19:21:47 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
19:22:00 <WagnerMeiraJr> laufer: The term version is used with several meanings. It also varies depending on the language. We need a way to talk about relations among datasets. People saying that one thing is a version of other is not just because it is a change, they may be in completely different languages.
Carlos Laufer: The term version is used with several meanings. It also varies depending on the language. We need a way to talk about relations among datasets. People saying that one thing is a version of other is not just because it is a change, they may be in completely different languages. ←
19:22:23 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: There is a confusion among several terms that are used differently: version, distribution etc
Bernadette Farias Loscio: There is a confusion among several terms that are used differently: version, distribution etc ←
19:22:44 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
19:22:53 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: A time series is not a new version of a dataset. We are trying to define and let the publisher to decide.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: A time series is not a new version of a dataset. We are trying to define and let the publisher to decide. ←
19:23:07 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:23:30 <Giancarlo_Guizzardi> q+
Giancarlo Guizzardi: q+ ←
19:23:34 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: This new dataset is derived or is a version of other dataset. If the publisher does not know what is a version how come he will decide what to do.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: This new dataset is derived or is a version of other dataset. If the publisher does not know what is a version how come he will decide what to do. ←
19:23:35 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
19:23:59 <newtoncalegari> q-
Newton Calegari: q- ←
19:24:02 <WagnerMeiraJr> annette_g: A language is not version specific. We may need to perform the same change in several languages at once.
Annette Greiner: A language is not version specific. We may need to perform the same change in several languages at once. ←
19:24:02 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
19:24:28 <WagnerMeiraJr> annette_g: If you make a change in a dataset, you may create a new version depending on the publisher.
Annette Greiner: If you make a change in a dataset, you may create a new version depending on the publisher. ←
19:24:53 <WagnerMeiraJr> annette_g: It is sort of a editorial work to make a change and evaluate how different it is.
Annette Greiner: It is sort of a editorial work to make a change and evaluate how different it is. ←
19:25:25 <WagnerMeiraJr> laufer: I'm not saying that different languages are different versions. We have to define our concept of version.
Carlos Laufer: I'm not saying that different languages are different versions. We have to define our concept of version. ←
19:25:28 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
19:25:28 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
19:26:00 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
19:26:08 <WagnerMeiraJr> antoine: Imagine your updates are not used by the dataset in question, then it does not produce a new version of the dataset.
Antoine Isaac: Imagine your updates are not used by the dataset in question, then it does not produce a new version of the dataset. ←
19:26:52 <WagnerMeiraJr> antoine: What are the principles we want to follow when discussing versions? Should we discuss these?
Antoine Isaac: What are the principles we want to follow when discussing versions? Should we discuss these? ←
19:27:19 <WagnerMeiraJr> antoine: Versioning means that you change something that affects your dataset.
Antoine Isaac: Versioning means that you change something that affects your dataset. ←
19:27:30 <yaso> ack Makx
Yaso Córdova: ack Makx ←
19:27:36 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
19:27:47 <WagnerMeiraJr> Makx: It is very hard to define what a version is for a particular person.
Makx Dekkers: It is very hard to define what a version is for a particular person. ←
19:28:06 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
19:28:21 <WagnerMeiraJr> Makx: They should not throw away old data upon a new version. People may be using it.
Makx Dekkers: They should not throw away old data upon a new version. People may be using it. ←
19:28:34 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
19:29:26 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
19:29:49 <WagnerMeiraJr> phila: Agree with Makx . I like the text and want to add: we can't antecipate everything and tell when a new version makes sense. I would encourage consistency. It may be every six weeks, publishing a new version.
Phil Archer: Agree with Makx . I like the text and want to add: we can't antecipate everything and tell when a new version makes sense. I would encourage consistency. It may be every six weeks, publishing a new version. ←
19:30:01 <Makx> +1 to Phil
Makx Dekkers: +1 to Phil ←
19:30:02 <WagnerMeiraJr> phila: They may decide and stick to it.
Phil Archer: They may decide and stick to it. ←
19:30:02 <yaso> ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi
Yaso Córdova: ack Giancarlo_Guizzardi ←
19:30:37 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
19:30:58 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
19:31:20 <WagnerMeiraJr> Giancarlo_Guizzardi: I agree that it is useful to give guidelines, including handling deprecated content and vocab changes. I agree that defining it is very interesting. But it is extremely hard. We tried recently to characterize versions for software and it is hard.
Giancarlo Guizzardi: I agree that it is useful to give guidelines, including handling deprecated content and vocab changes. I agree that defining it is very interesting. But it is extremely hard. We tried recently to characterize versions for software and it is hard. ←
19:31:24 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
19:31:42 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
19:31:42 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
19:32:12 <Makx> We discussed this for a long time for the DCAT-AP in Europe and could not resolve it ;-(
Makx Dekkers: We discussed this for a long time for the DCAT-AP in Europe and could not resolve it ;-( ←
19:32:14 <WagnerMeiraJr> laufer: I don't know whether it is feasible, but you may encourage the publisher to define what is a version.
Carlos Laufer: I don't know whether it is feasible, but you may encourage the publisher to define what is a version. ←
19:32:18 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:32:22 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
19:33:00 <Makx> We were hoping that DWBP could give guidance ;-)
Makx Dekkers: We were hoping that DWBP could give guidance ;-) ←
19:33:22 <ericstephan> Talk to you tomorrow everyone. Sorry to take off in the middle of discussion.
Eric Stephan: Talk to you tomorrow everyone. Sorry to take off in the middle of discussion. ←
19:33:38 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: It is interesting and I agree that it is hard to define and I was trying to write about. I'm going to rewrite it considering our discussion here, towards help the publisher to decide. I'll rewrite the introduction and ask for feedback.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is interesting and I agree that it is hard to define and I was trying to write about. I'm going to rewrite it considering our discussion here, towards help the publisher to decide. I'll rewrite the introduction and ask for feedback. ←
19:33:42 <BernadetteLoscio> bye bye Eric!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye bye Eric! ←
19:33:55 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: How to version data stream?
Newton Calegari: How to version data stream? ←
19:34:08 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
19:34:13 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: DCAT has a version modified.
Newton Calegari: DCAT uses dcterms:modified. ←
19:34:21 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:34:27 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
19:34:34 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
19:34:51 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: A change in data stream will be treated as such just when the schema changes.
Newton Calegari: A change in data stream will be treated as such just when the schema changes. ←
19:34:53 <phila> s/DCAT has a version modified./DCAT uses dcterms:modified.
19:34:54 <annette_g> 2 separate issue
Annette Greiner: 2 separate issue ←
19:34:58 <annette_g> issues
Annette Greiner: issues ←
19:35:02 <Makx> Even that is not agreed by everyone, Deirdre
Makx Dekkers: Even that is not agreed by everyone, Deirdre ←
19:35:21 <WagnerMeiraJr> deirdrelee: Just when the API changes?
Deirdre Lee: Just when the API changes? ←
19:35:31 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:35:51 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
19:35:51 <Makx> Apologies, I have to sign off. Will be back tomorrow.
Makx Dekkers: Apologies, I have to sign off. Will be back tomorrow. ←
19:35:55 <WagnerMeiraJr> BernadetteLoscio: Newton's concern is that you have a stream and there should not be a new version.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Newton's concern is that you have a stream and there should not be a new version. ←
19:36:07 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: if the API changes it doesn't matter, because an API is related to data access, not data structure or content
Deirdre Lee: if the API changes it doesn't matter, because an API is related to data access, not data structure or content [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
19:36:07 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
19:36:14 <BernadetteLoscio> bye bye Makx!!!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye bye Makx!!! ←
19:36:24 <yaso> ack annette_g
Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g ←
19:37:00 <WagnerMeiraJr> annette_g: API related versioning is really hard to define.
Annette Greiner: API related versioning is really hard to define. ←
19:37:34 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: Don't we need to worry to track changes in data streams?
Newton Calegari: Don't we need to worry to track changes in data streams? ←
19:37:53 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: It does not seem to be necessary.
Yaso Córdova: It does not seem to be necessary. ←
19:38:00 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/192
Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/192 ←
19:38:09 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: We were discussing 192.
Yaso Córdova: We were discussing 192. ←
19:38:47 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: We are not going to recommend and we may close the issue.
Newton Calegari: We are not going to recommend and we may close the issue. ←
19:38:49 <yaso> close issue-192
Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-192 ←
19:38:49 <trackbot> Closed issue-192.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-192. ←
19:38:55 <WagnerMeiraJr> newtoncalegari: We have no examples.
Newton Calegari: We have no examples. ←
19:39:23 <phila> There is an alternative to PAV at http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-adms/ but I prefer PAV which is better developed
Phil Archer: There is an alternative to PAV at http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-adms/ but I prefer PAV which is better developed ←
19:39:30 <yaso> close ISSUE-168
Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-168 ←
19:39:30 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-168.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-168. ←
19:39:31 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: It looks like we are done for today.
Yaso Córdova: It looks like we are done for today. ←
19:40:02 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: Thanks everyone.
Yaso Córdova: Thanks everyone. ←
19:40:13 <annette_g> I won't be on until 6 PT
Annette Greiner: I won't be on until 6 PT ←
19:40:19 <annette_g> which is 10
Annette Greiner: which is 10 ←
19:40:19 <phila> Thanks everyone. God night/good afternoon
Phil Archer: Thanks everyone. Good night/good afternoon ←
19:40:22 <yaso> neither us, annette_g
Yaso Córdova: neither us, annette_g ←
19:40:29 <WagnerMeiraJr> deirdrelee: Is it fine to start at 8AM BST.
Deirdre Lee: Is it fine to start at 8AM Sao Paulo. ←
19:40:31 <phila> Ack annette_g
Phil Archer: Ack annette_g ←
19:41:01 <yaso> so tomorrow is 8:00 am
Yaso Córdova: so tomorrow is 8:00 am ←
19:41:05 <laufer> bye annette... good lunch...
Carlos Laufer: bye annette... good lunch... ←
19:41:06 <WagnerMeiraJr> yaso: We will start at 8:00 AM.
Yaso Córdova: We will start at 8:00 AM. ←
19:41:06 <annette_g> bye!
Annette Greiner: bye! ←
19:41:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Enjoy your staying in sao paolo.. thanks for the interesting discussions , bye
Riccardo Albertoni: Enjoy your staying in sao paolo.. thanks for the interesting discussions , bye ←
19:41:14 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
19:41:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
19:41:17 <laufer> bye all...
Carlos Laufer: bye all... ←
19:41:36 <yaso> Thanks, RiccardoAlbertoni and annette_g and others attending remote :-)
Yaso Córdova: Thanks, RiccardoAlbertoni and annette_g and others attending remote :-) ←
19:43:32 <phila> s/God night/Good night/
19:43:36 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
19:43:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
19:44:16 <phila> s/at 8AM BST/at 8AM Sao Paulo/
19:44:32 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
19:44:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/24-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
19:48:37 <antoine> bye everyone enjoy the beer and see you tomorrow
Antoine Isaac: bye everyone enjoy the beer and see you tomorrow ←
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