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12:57:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
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12:57:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP ←
12:57:33 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
12:57:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:34 <trackbot> Date: 31 July 2015
12:57:38 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150731 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9
Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150731 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9 ←
13:01:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi All!
Riccardo Albertoni: hi All! ←
13:02:05 <BernadetteLoscio> hello Riccardo!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: hello Riccardo! ←
13:02:53 <annette_g> present+ annette_g
Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g ←
13:02:53 <hadleybeeman> present+ hadleybeeman
Hadley Beeman: present+ hadleybeeman ←
13:02:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+ RiccardoAlbertoni
Riccardo Albertoni: present+ RiccardoAlbertoni ←
13:03:14 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: present+ BernadetteLoscio ←
13:04:02 <yaso> Hi all. Today I'm only in irc channel
Yaso Córdova: Hi all. Today I'm only in irc channel ←
13:04:10 <hadleybeeman> hello yaso!
Hadley Beeman: hello yaso! ←
13:04:18 <yaso> Hi Hadley :-)
Yaso Córdova: Hi Hadley :-) ←
13:05:02 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline ←
13:05:11 <phila> present+ phila
Phil Archer: present+ phila ←
13:05:44 <phila> regrets+ Laufer, Christophe, Bart, Carlos
Phil Archer: regrets+ Laufer, Christophe, Bart, Carlos ←
13:06:39 <hadleybeeman> regrets+ ericstephan
Hadley Beeman: regrets+ ericstephan ←
13:13:27 <hadleybeeman> scribe: annette_g
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13:13:33 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-24
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-24 ←
13:13:52 <annette_g> PROPOSED: accept last week's minutes
PROPOSED: accept last week's minutes ←
13:13:57 <hadleybeeman> +0 (wasn't here)
Hadley Beeman: +0 (wasn't here) ←
13:14:04 <annette_g> +1
+1 ←
13:14:05 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:14:05 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
13:14:08 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:14:20 <BernadetteLoscio> i wasn't there
Bernadette Farias Loscio: i wasn't there ←
13:14:26 <annette_g> RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes
RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes ←
13:14:31 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
13:14:41 <hadleybeeman> action-184?
13:14:41 <trackbot> action-184 -- Peter Winstanley to Review the existing template and identify any additional fields that could be added to improve the bp -- due 2015-07-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-184 -- Peter Winstanley to Review the existing template and identify any additional fields that could be added to improve the bp -- due 2015-07-17 -- OPEN ←
13:14:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/184
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/184 ←
13:15:19 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:15:27 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
13:17:10 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: Peter proposed a list of changes. What Bernadette proposed was a little different.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Peter proposed a list of changes. What Bernadette proposed was a little different. ←
13:17:40 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: since Peter's not here, how should we proceed?
Hadley Beeman: since Peter's not here, how should we proceed? ←
13:18:05 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: we can discuss in another meeting, continuing by email for now
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can discuss in another meeting, continuing by email for now ←
13:18:31 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: would like to split it up by ones we can do and ones we can't
Hadley Beeman: would like to split it up by ones we can do and ones we can't ←
13:19:07 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: we would need to assign people to rewrite each BP
Hadley Beeman: we would need to assign people to rewrite each BP, which we could do ←
13:19:33 <hadleybeeman> s/rewrite each BP/rewrite each BP, which we could do
13:19:58 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: first we should find out whether he agrees. His idea is a little different from our context, so I'm not sure it's worth changing the template.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: first we should find out whether he agrees. His idea is a little different from our context, so I'm not sure it's worth changing the template. ←
13:20:19 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: should we continue by email and address at next call?
Hadley Beeman: should we continue by email and address at next call? ←
13:20:23 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: yes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes ←
13:20:40 <phila> Topic: Data Enrichment Document
13:20:40 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:20:40 <hadleybeeman> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/enrichment.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Jun/0145.html
Hadley Beeman: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/enrichment.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Jun/0145.html ←
13:20:44 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: data enrichment doc is up next
Hadley Beeman: data enrichment doc is up next ←
13:20:48 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
13:20:55 <hadleybeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman
(Scribe set to Hadley Beeman)
13:20:55 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:21:14 <hadleybeeman> ack BernadetteLoscio
ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:21:41 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: I'm not sure if it's a good idea to discuss enrichment, because some people aren't on the call.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm not sure if it's a good idea to discuss enrichment, because some people aren't on the call. ←
13:21:49 <hadleybeeman> ...Maybe better to discuss with Guisseppe, Adriano or Vagner.
...Maybe better to discuss with Guisseppe, Adriano or Vagner. ←
13:22:19 <hadleybeeman> ...The second draft was a misunderstanding. They wrote a best practice, and together with it they wrote a note to complement the text for data enrichment. We haven't discussed the note with the group.
...The second draft was a misunderstanding. They wrote a best practice, and together with it they wrote a note to complement the text for data enrichment. We haven't discussed the note with the group. ←
13:22:31 <hadleybeeman> ...Now we need to discuss the complete note.
...Now we need to discuss the complete note. ←
13:22:40 <yaso> +q
Yaso Córdova: +q ←
13:22:50 <yaso> (Just on irc, sorry)
Yaso Córdova: (Just on irc, sorry) ←
13:23:02 <hadleybeeman> ...It's better to continue this discussion when those people are on the call. Carol and I aren't able to explain what they did.
...It's better to continue this discussion when those people are on the call. Carol and I aren't able to explain what they did. ←
13:23:07 <Caroline> :)
Caroline Burle: :) ←
13:23:07 <hadleybeeman> ...annette_g, do you agree?
...annette_g, do you agree? ←
13:23:09 <hadleybeeman> annette_g: Yes
Annette Greiner: Yes ←
13:23:15 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso (by irc)
ack yaso (by irc) ←
13:23:17 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso
ack yaso ←
13:23:26 <yaso> Tks Hadley
Yaso Córdova: Tks Hadley ←
13:23:51 <yaso> Maybe it is a good idea to read the note and try to fit that in our use case model
Yaso Córdova: Maybe it is a good idea to read the note and try to fit that in our use case model ←
13:24:11 <yaso> Extract challenges to fit in the beat practice
Yaso Córdova: Extract challenges to fit in the beat practice ←
13:24:17 <hadleybeeman> phila: It would mean writing new uses
Phil Archer: It would mean writing new uses ←
13:24:31 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: There is a use case for this.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: There is a use case for this. ←
13:24:46 <hadleybeeman> annette_g: I mentioned one in the email, the openMSI one. I could come up with more.
Annette Greiner: I mentioned one in the email, the openMSI one. I could come up with more. ←
13:24:55 <yaso> I really think that its not necessary to discuss what happened
Yaso Córdova: I really think that its not necessary to discuss what happened ←
13:25:10 <yaso> Just what we're going to do :-)
Yaso Córdova: Just what we're going to do :-) ←
13:25:11 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: We have to decide what we're going to do with the note.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We have to decide what we're going to do with the note. ←
13:25:12 <Caroline> +1 to BernadetteLoscio
Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio ←
13:25:21 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: and for that we need the authors?
Hadley Beeman: and for that we need the authors? ←
13:25:33 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: Yes. Let's propose this for the next meeting and make sure that one of them is present.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yes. Let's propose this for the next meeting and make sure that one of them is present. ←
13:25:53 <yaso> When I read the note I could think in at least 2 challengea
Yaso Córdova: When I read the note I could think in at least 2 challengea ←
13:26:08 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: So, Yaso, you want to add new challenges?
Hadley Beeman: So, Yaso, you want to add new challenges? ←
13:26:23 <yaso> Yes, I could do that
Yaso Córdova: Yes, I could do that ←
13:26:26 <hadleybeeman> ...from this enrichment note?
...from this enrichment note? ←
13:26:39 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: Okay, that's something else to discuss then.
Hadley Beeman: Okay, that's something else to discuss then. ←
13:26:52 <hadleybeeman> ... Let's put this on the agenda then for the next best practices call.
... Let's put this on the agenda then for the next best practices call. ←
13:27:00 <hadleybeeman> ...Is everyone happy with that?
...Is everyone happy with that? ←
13:27:01 <annette_g> * yep
Annette Greiner: * yep ←
13:27:01 <yaso> Ok!
Yaso Córdova: Ok! ←
13:27:02 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: Yes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yes ←
13:27:07 <yaso> Yes
Yaso Córdova: Yes ←
13:27:13 <annette_g> * I can scribe again
Annette Greiner: * I can scribe again ←
13:27:23 <hadleybeeman> scribe: annette_g
(Scribe set to Annette Greiner)
13:27:41 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: responding to comments
Hadley Beeman: responding to comments ←
13:27:52 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: what are our obligations?
Hadley Beeman: what are our obligations? ←
13:28:29 <annette_g> phila: when a comment is received, we need to respond to it, but it's up to us how we organize that.
Phil Archer: when a comment is received, we need to respond to it, but it's up to us how we organize that. ←
13:28:55 <annette_g> phila: there is drudgery involved in addressing multiple comments
Phil Archer: there is drudgery involved in addressing multiple comments ←
13:30:16 <annette_g> phila: tracker allows us to record status of each comment. resolve yes, resolve no, or resolve partial. Editors copy and paste comments into the tracker. Chairs schedule time to discuss it. Editors then writie to the commentator with the group's conclusion.
Phil Archer: tracker allows us to record status of each comment. resolve yes, resolve no, or resolve partial. Editors copy and paste comments into the tracker. Chairs schedule time to discuss it. Editors then writie to the commentator with the group's conclusion. ←
13:30:27 <annette_g> Either yes we agree, or no and the reason why.
Either yes we agree, or no and the reason why. ←
13:30:57 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: chairs and editors together take the rec to the director to show that we've addressed everything.
Hadley Beeman: chairs and editors together take the rec to the director to show that we've addressed everything. ←
13:31:03 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:31:11 <annette_g> we have to answer for every comment.
we have to answer for every comment. ←
13:31:14 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
13:31:43 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: question: should we encode in the tracker just comments from external people, or also people from the working group?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: question: should we encode in the tracker just comments from external people, or also people from the working group? ←
13:32:21 <annette_g> phila: usually it's obvious if somebody in the group writes an email with itemized comments. We treat that in the same way as an external one.
Phil Archer: usually it's obvious if somebody in the group writes an email with itemized comments. We treat that in the same way as an external one. ←
13:33:26 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: comments from Erik Wilde, not sure how to have the conversation by mail.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: comments from Erik Wilde, not sure how to have the conversation by mail. ←
13:33:39 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: link to the email?
Hadley Beeman: link to the email? ←
13:33:39 <BernadetteLoscio> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Jul/0004.html
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Jul/0004.html ←
13:34:28 <annette_g> phila: you say you're going to discuss this with the WG, so it's still open.
Phil Archer: you say you're going to discuss this with the WG, so it's still open. ←
13:34:46 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: so , in this case, I don't need to write it in the tracker?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: so , in this case, I don't need to write it in the tracker? ←
13:34:55 <annette_g> phila: whatever you think is appropriate
Phil Archer: whatever you think is appropriate ←
13:35:18 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I tried to get proposals from him, but sometimes it was hard to understand what he is saying.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I tried to get proposals from him, but sometimes it was hard to understand what he is saying. ←
13:35:20 <annette_g> q+
q+ ←
13:35:29 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: that can be hard
Hadley Beeman: that can be hard ←
13:35:48 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: It's because I don't have enough knowledge about the subject.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It's because I don't have enough knowledge about the subject. ←
13:36:06 <annette_g> … I need some help, and discussion with the group can help that.
… I need some help, and discussion with the group can help that. ←
13:36:11 <annette_g> * I think I understand
* I think I understand ←
13:37:22 <annette_g> annette_g: conneg is content negotiation
Annette Greiner: conneg is content negotiation ←
13:38:05 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: he's happy if we include the info, doesn't matter where
Bernadette Farias Loscio: he's happy if we include the info, doesn't matter where ←
13:38:27 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: then I think we should put the changes in some place and then get his feedback on that
Hadley Beeman: then I think we should put the changes in some place and then get his feedback on that ←
13:38:46 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I need to change one of the BPs and then get feedback from the group
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I need to change one of the BPs and then get feedback from the group ←
13:38:57 <annette_g> q+
q+ ←
13:39:22 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I sent a message to the group about which issues to close for the next draft
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I sent a message to the group about which issues to close for the next draft ←
13:39:43 <hadleybeeman> ack annette_g
Hadley Beeman: ack annette_g ←
13:39:45 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I'm having trouble getting the working group to respond
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm having trouble getting the working group to respond ←
13:40:27 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:41:07 <hadleybeeman> ack BernadetteLoscio
Hadley Beeman: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:41:26 <annette_g> annette_g: we should address being more "webby" too
Annette Greiner: we should address being more "webby" too ←
13:41:34 <hadleybeeman> annette_g: I want to make sure his overarching message isn't lost. Also, if we're going to ask people like Roy Fielding, we should make our REST work stronger.
Annette Greiner: I want to make sure his overarching message isn't lost. Also, if we're going to ask people like Roy Fielding, we should make our REST work stronger. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
13:41:46 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: he mentions hypertext and hypermedia
Bernadette Farias Loscio: he mentions hypertext and hypermedia ←
13:42:17 <annette_g> aren't we doing that already by being on the web
aren't we doing that already by being on the web ←
13:42:18 <annette_g> ?
? ←
13:42:30 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:42:48 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: is talking about being on the web already about hypertext?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: is talking about being on the web already about hypertext? ←
13:42:58 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
13:43:13 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: but then he talked about not beign about specific technologies
Bernadette Farias Loscio: but then he talked about not beign about specific technologies ←
13:43:25 <hadleybeeman> ack phila
Hadley Beeman: ack phila ←
13:43:27 <annette_g> q+
q+ ←
13:44:08 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2015/Talks/0511_phila_ukds/usb-metadata2
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2015/Talks/0511_phila_ukds/usb-metadata2 ←
13:44:26 <phila> https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/625741947777482752
Phil Archer: https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/625741947777482752 ←
13:44:27 <annette_g> phila: this is a picture I use in lots of talks
Phil Archer: this is a picture I use in lots of talks ←
13:45:07 <annette_g> sticking a CSV file on a data portal is not putting data on the web, it's putting data on the internet.
sticking a CSV file on a data portal is not putting data on the web, it's putting data on the internet. ←
13:45:34 <annette_g> If there's no connection between what's in the file and the rest of the web, you might as well just put it on a USB stick.
If there's no connection between what's in the file and the rest of the web, you might as well just put it on a USB stick. ←
13:45:54 <annette_g> the links are really important
the links are really important ←
13:46:03 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:46:14 <annette_g> for me, the web of data is accessed by querying the web directly
Phil Archer: for me, the web of data is accessed by querying the web directly ←
13:46:26 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso
Hadley Beeman: ack yaso ←
13:46:41 <annette_g> s/for me/phila: for me/
13:46:53 <yaso> Tks
Yaso Córdova: Tks ←
13:46:53 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: yaso?
Hadley Beeman: yaso? ←
13:47:15 <yaso> Just to say that I'm working on a proposal for solving this,
Yaso Córdova: Just to say that I'm working on a proposal for solving this, ←
13:47:43 <yaso> I'll send it to the group by mal till wed next week
Yaso Córdova: I'll send it to the group by mal till wed next week ←
13:47:53 <hadleybeeman> sounds great, yaso! we'll be keen to see it.
Hadley Beeman: sounds great, yaso! we'll be keen to see it. ←
13:47:54 <hadleybeeman> ack annette_g
Hadley Beeman: ack annette_g ←
13:47:57 <annette_g> * sweet!
* sweet! ←
13:48:16 <hadleybeeman> annette_g: on the question of hypermedia (in the context of an API) — I'd like to see it added into the document.
Annette Greiner: on the question of hypermedia (in the context of an API) — I'd like to see it added into the document. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
13:48:34 <yaso> Agree, Annette
Yaso Córdova: Agree, Annette ←
13:48:41 <hadleybeeman> ...To me, that means more than an API you can query. It means an API that's returning a link to you in the response, as opposed to just data.
Hadley Beeman: ...To me, that means more than an API you can query. It means an API that's returning a link to you in the response, as opposed to just data. ←
13:49:08 <hadleybeeman> ...I went to an API conference a year ago; much discussion on this. I heard it as THE best practice of the moment. It'd be good to address it.
Hadley Beeman: ...I went to an API conference a year ago; much discussion on this. I heard it as THE best practice of the moment. It'd be good to address it. ←
13:49:11 <phila> +1 to annette_g
Phil Archer: +1 to annette_g ←
13:49:13 <hadleybeeman> ack BernadetteLoscio
Hadley Beeman: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:49:32 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: could you write a BP about this?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: could you write a BP about this? ←
13:49:40 <annette_g> annette_g: yes
Annette Greiner: yes ←
13:49:48 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: can you work with Yaso?
Hadley Beeman: can you work with Yaso? ←
13:50:03 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: about the API think in particular
Bernadette Farias Loscio: about the API think in particular ←
13:50:06 <phila> q+ to reminisce about TPAC
Phil Archer: q+ to reminisce about TPAC ←
13:50:22 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I agree that we should have links
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree that we should have links ←
13:50:42 <annette_g> … should we have a new BP about linking data?
… should we have a new BP about linking data? ←
13:51:05 <annette_g> … we can propose something that won't be technology specific
… we can propose something that won't be technology specific ←
13:51:24 <annette_g> … I'd like to have some help and ideas on how to do this.
… I'd like to have some help and ideas on how to do this. ←
13:51:39 <annette_g> phila: yes, you need help and you're not getting much of it right now.
Phil Archer: yes, you need help and you're not getting much of it right now. ←
13:51:39 <hadleybeeman> ack phila
Hadley Beeman: ack phila ←
13:51:40 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to reminisce about TPAC
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to reminisce about TPAC ←
13:52:37 <annette_g> phila: at TPAC, people were saying this isn't the data on the web best practices group, it's the open data best practices group. They were raising exactly what we're talking about here. But the question is do we have the capacity to do it?
Phil Archer: at TPAC, people were saying this isn't the data on the web best practices group, it's the open data best practices group. They were raising exactly what we're talking about here. But the question is do we have the capacity to do it? ←
13:52:55 <hadleybeeman> +1 to phila
Hadley Beeman: +1 to phila ←
13:53:01 <annette_g> …as the doc is evolving, we're getting asked to think more about this.
…as the doc is evolving, we're getting asked to think more about this. ←
13:53:19 <hadleybeeman> (especially about this being exciting, moving beyond CSVs in CKAN instances)
Hadley Beeman: (especially about this being exciting, moving beyond CSVs in CKAN instances) ←
13:53:22 <annette_g> … we need to be careful that we don't bite off more than we can chew
… we need to be careful that we don't bite off more than we can chew ←
13:54:02 <annette_g> phila: It is exactly one year from today that this group is supposed to expire.
Phil Archer: It is exactly one year from today that this group is supposed to expire. ←
13:54:25 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: summarizes
Hadley Beeman: summarizes ←
13:55:07 <BernadetteLoscio_> I'm sorry. I lost connection for a while
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm sorry. I lost connection for a while ←
13:55:11 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: seconds the point that we should at least consider the points about linked data
Hadley Beeman: seconds the point that we should at least consider the points about linked data ←
13:55:22 <phila> q+ to ask hadleybeeman something about this
Phil Archer: q+ to ask hadleybeeman something about this ←
13:55:34 <annette_g> … BernadetteLoscio, are you happy or do you want more?
… BernadetteLoscio, are you happy or do you want more? ←
13:56:02 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: Caroline sent a message about a table of who will address what issues
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Caroline sent a message about a table of who will address what issues ←
13:56:05 <hadleybeeman> ack phila
Hadley Beeman: ack phila ←
13:56:05 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask hadleybeeman something about this
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask hadleybeeman something about this ←
13:56:28 <Caroline> here is the link that has the table to be filled in by group's participants
Caroline Burle: here is the link that has the table to be filled in by group's participants ←
13:57:02 <SumitPurohit> +1 phila
Sumit Purohit: +1 phila ←
13:57:06 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft
Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft ←
13:57:14 <annette_g> phila: hadleybeeman, some years ago we had an organization called LInked Gov. Can we address linking without talking about RDF? Can we think in terms of linking data without talking about LInked Data (™)?
Phil Archer: hadleybeeman, some years ago you established an organization called LInked Gov. Can we address linking without talking about RDF? Can we think in terms of linking data without talking about LInked Data (™)? ←
13:57:34 <phila> s/we had/you established/
13:58:16 <SumitPurohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
13:58:26 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: my worry is that RDF and JSON-LD each has its own community, and many parts of the world don't respond well to that.
Hadley Beeman: my worry is that RDF and JSON-LD each has its own community, and many parts of the world don't respond well to that. ←
13:58:43 <hadleybeeman> ack sumit
Hadley Beeman: ack sumit ←
13:59:25 <annette_g> SumitPurohit: there is a perception that RDF and JSON-LD are mutually exclusive, but as I see it JSON-LD is one form of RDF.
Sumit Purohit: there is a perception that RDF and JSON-LD are mutually exclusive, but as I see it JSON-LD is one form of RDF. ←
13:59:27 <phila> present+ Sumit
Phil Archer: present+ Sumit ←
14:00:08 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: that's something we would probably find people on both sides of the argument
Hadley Beeman: that's something we would probably find people on both sides of the argument ←
14:00:10 <phila> The notion that JSON-LD and RDF are different is one that can be helpful, even though it is objectively unrtue.
Phil Archer: The notion that JSON-LD and RDF are different is one that can be helpful, even though it is objectively unrtue. ←
14:00:43 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: RDF is relatively more stable.
Hadley Beeman: RDF is relatively more stable. ←
14:00:54 <phila> W3C has no plans to update RDF for the next 10 years or so, says the Data Activity Lead ;-)
Phil Archer: W3C has no plans to update RDF for the next 10 years or so, says the Data Activity Lead ;-) ←
14:01:14 <SumitPurohit> :-)
Sumit Purohit: :-) ←
14:01:20 <annette_g> … I wouldn't want to make that more difficult with what we write.
… I wouldn't want to make that more difficult with what we write. ←
14:01:54 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: we are out of time. closing comments?
Hadley Beeman: we are out of time. closing comments? ←
14:02:36 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio_: it was really nice that we had this discussion about how to deal with some really important questions. I hope we can also address the open issues.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: it was really nice that we had this discussion about how to deal with some really important questions. I hope we can also address the open issues. ←
14:02:48 <Caroline> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ :)
Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ :) ←
14:02:55 <phila> present+ Makx
Phil Archer: present+ Makx ←
14:03:08 <annette_g> * ooh, I have a question for Yaso
* ooh, I have a question for Yaso ←
14:03:11 <Caroline> Thank you, hadleybeeman!
Caroline Burle: Thank you, hadleybeeman! ←
14:03:25 <annette_g> hadleybeeman: we adjust the agenda on Wednesdays
Hadley Beeman: we adjust the agenda on Wednesdays ←
14:03:32 <annette_g> yaso, are you still there?
yaso, are you still there? ←
14:03:33 <RiccardoAlbertoni> thank you all
Riccardo Albertoni: thank you all ←
14:03:42 <phila> present+ AdrianoC
Phil Archer: present+ AdrianoC ←
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