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14:01:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:01:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:01:53 <trackbot> Date: 23 September 2013
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14:55:19 <mgylling> Zakim, P22 is me
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14:55:51 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P22 is me
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14:55:51 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
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14:56:53 <dauwhe> Zakim, aabb is dauwhe
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14:56:58 <fjh> zakim, code?
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14:56:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
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14:57:32 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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14:58:07 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
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14:58:17 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +33.1.43.92.aaaa (0%)
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14:58:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
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14:58:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc
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14:58:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro
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14:58:39 <Zakim> + +1.201.748.aadd
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14:59:16 <ivan> zakim, aadd is tzviya
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15:00:35 <ivan> Guest: Karen (karen) Myers, W3C
15:01:07 <tzviya> scribe: tzviya
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15:01:31 <Vlad> zakim, aaee is me
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15:03:35 <tzviya> Markus opens meeting
Markus opens meeting ←
15:03:45 <Zakim> + +329331aagg
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15:05:14 <tzviya> Markus: today will discuss pagination task force
Markus Gylling: today will discuss pagination task force ←
15:05:26 <tzviya> ...first half discuss wiki entries
...first half discuss wiki entries ←
15:05:50 <tzviya> ...social reading and annotations has come the farthest
...social reading and annotations has come the farthest ←
15:06:04 <Zakim> +??P19
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15:06:19 <mgylling> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Sep/0015.html
Markus Gylling: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Sep/0015.html ←
15:06:40 <tzviya> Markus: minutes approved
Markus Gylling: minutes approved ←
15:06:56 <tzviya> Markus: new members
Markus Gylling: new members ←
15:07:11 <tzviya> ...Dave Cramer and Pierre
...Dave Cramer and Pierre Danet ←
15:07:20 <karen> s/Pierre/Pierre Danet
15:07:29 <tzviya> Pierre: Pierre Danet of Hachette Livre
Pierre Danet: Pierre Danet of Hachette Livre ←
15:07:52 <tzviya> ...business rep at W3C and involved in IDPF
...business rep at W3C and involved in IDPF ←
15:08:07 <tzviya> ...less technical and will be involved in use cases
...less technical and will be involved in use cases ←
15:08:21 <tzviya> Dave: Dave Cramer of hachette book group
Dave Cramer: Dave Cramer of hachette book group ←
15:08:56 <tzviya> ...bagen with typesetter, got involved in XML, HBG shifted to EPUB 2 and EPUB 3, involved in industry groups
...bagen with typesetter, got involved in XML, HBG shifted to EPUB 2 and EPUB 3, involved in industry groups ←
15:09:24 <tzviya> markus: logistics: TPAC is in November. we will meet there
Markus Gylling: logistics: TPAC is in November. we will meet there ←
15:09:45 <tzviya> ...Visa takes time.
...Visa takes time. ←
15:10:58 <tzviya> Agenda item: to new items on wiki http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory
Agenda item: to new items on wiki http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory ←
15:11:53 <tzviya> Markus: Rob to take us through new use cases in social reading
Markus Gylling: Rob to take us through new use cases in social reading ←
15:12:20 <tzviya> Rob: Annotating parts of embedded resources
Robert Sanderson: Annotating parts of embedded resources ←
15:12:35 <Zakim> + +44.797.077.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.797.077.aahh ←
15:12:36 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_5 Pointer to the wiki
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_5 Pointer to the wiki ←
15:12:59 <Zakim> - +44.797.077.aahh
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15:13:08 <mgylling> regrets: George Walkley
15:13:19 <tzviya> Rob: for example, point to just a rectangle within an image
Robert Sanderson: for example, point to just a rectangle within an image ←
15:13:37 <tzviya> Markus: does this include elements of hypertext
Markus Gylling: does this include elements of hypertext ←
15:13:47 <Zakim> + +44.797.077.aaii
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15:13:58 <madi> madi has joined from the UK
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15:14:06 <ivan> zakim, aaii is madi
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15:14:06 <Zakim> +madi; got it
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15:14:10 <tzviya> Rob: that is <span> - resources that the DOM references, not the DOM itself
Robert Sanderson: that is <span> - resources that the DOM references, not the DOM itself ←
15:14:15 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_6
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_6 ←
15:14:38 <tzviya> Rob: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_6 - user wants to annotate two parts of a resource
Robert Sanderson: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_6 - user wants to annotate two parts of a resource ←
15:14:52 <tzviya> ...likely for comparison purposes
...likely for comparison purposes ←
15:15:04 <tzviya> ...requirement is multiple targets
...requirement is multiple targets ←
15:15:26 <tzviya> Ivan: would this be a URI identifying multiple targets?
Ivan Herman: would this be a URI identifying multiple targets? ←
15:16:17 <tzviya> Rob: all that you need to do is add additional has target relationships (note: please make sure this is correct)
Robert Sanderson: all that you need to do is add additional has target relationships (note: please make sure this is correct) ←
15:16:32 <tzviya> ???: is this used for text only?
Pierre Danet: is this used for text only? ←
15:16:57 <tzviya> Rob: no, several use cases involve elements other than text, such as image, video
Robert Sanderson: no, several use cases involve elements other than text, such as image, video ←
15:17:08 <ivan> s/???/pdanet/
15:17:21 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_7
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_7 ←
15:17:37 <tzviya> Rob: annotate multiple parts or publications or resources within them
Robert Sanderson: annotate multiple parts or publications or resources within them ←
15:18:42 <tzviya> ...but two parts come from different areas, e.g. one character that appears in multiple books (Bilbo in the hobbit and the lord of the rings)
...but two parts come from different areas, e.g. one character that appears in multiple books (Bilbo in the hobbit and the lord of the rings) ←
15:18:58 <tzviya> ...this is complicated and out (as Ivan noted)
...this is complicated and out (as Ivan noted) ←
15:19:20 <tzviya> Ivan: how do you uniquely identify a book?
Ivan Herman: how do you uniquely identify a book? ←
15:19:24 <Pdanet> Yes, Ivan, it was Pierre
Pierre Danet: Yes, Ivan, it was Pierre ←
15:20:43 <tzviya> Rob: if products are off-line it is difficult to identify what a book is
Robert Sanderson: if products are off-line it is difficult to identify what a book is ←
15:21:04 <tzviya> Markus: IDPF will announce open anno project this week
Markus Gylling: IDPF will announce open anno project this week ←
15:21:10 <Pdanet> Sorry for my central Europe accent ))
Pierre Danet: Sorry for my central Europe accent )) ←
15:21:17 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_1
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_1 ←
15:21:51 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_2
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_2 ←
15:21:55 <tzviya> Rob: croos format anno http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_1 - same content, different format
Robert Sanderson: cross format anno http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_1 - same content, different format ←
15:22:22 <fjh> annotations should be portable
Frederick Hirsch: annotations should be portable ←
15:22:24 <tzviya> ...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_2 cross-version, anno maintained when version is updated
...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_2 cross-version, anno maintained when version is updated ←
15:23:22 <dauwhe> s/croos/cross/
15:23:22 <tzviya> .....http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_3 maintain style - incorporates CSS into annotations - don't loose the styling that was part of annotation
.....http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_3 maintain style - incorporates CSS into annotations - don't loose the styling that was part of annotation ←
15:24:02 <tzviya> ... similar in that don't lose annotation when shift layout
... similar in that don't lose annotation when shift layout ←
15:24:35 <tzviya> ...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_5 - responsive design/content negotatiation with layout
...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_5 - responsive design/content negotatiation with annotation ←
15:24:58 <tzviya> s/layout/annotation
15:25:32 <tzviya> Pierre: what do you call the work ID?
Pierre Danet: what do you call the work ID? ←
15:25:53 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:25:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc, tzviya, Karen_Myers, plinss, Vlad, +1.503.456.aaff, Bert, +329331aagg (muted), ??P19, madi
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc, tzviya, Karen_Myers, plinss, Vlad, +1.503.456.aaff, Bert, +329331aagg (muted), ??P19, madi ←
15:25:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, tmichel, Sharad, naitik, Bert, Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi, tmichel, Sharad, naitik, Bert, Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro ←
15:26:38 <tzviya> Rob: the identity identifies the content irrespective of where it appears
Robert Sanderson: the identity identifies the content irrespective of where it appears ←
15:26:53 <tzviya> Pierre: this does not really exist yet.
Pierre Danet: this does not really exist yet. ←
15:27:19 <tzviya> Markus: We realize this. We have to work with this to get annotations to work
Markus Gylling: We realize this. We have to work with this to get annotations to work ←
15:27:33 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:27:34 <tzviya> Markus: security use cases
Markus Gylling: security use cases ←
15:28:23 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:28:30 <tzviya> Ivan: Please notify email group that have updated wiki when new use case added
Ivan Herman: Please notify email group that have updated wiki when new use case added ←
15:28:38 <tzviya> Sharad: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Security_UC#Security-1
Sharad Garg: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Security_UC#Security-1 ←
15:29:23 <tzviya> ...publisher would like information to be available offline on authorized machine
...publisher would like information to be available offline on authorized machine ←
15:30:00 <tzviya> ...requires encryption, authorization, decryption
...requires encryption, authorization, decryption ←
15:31:10 <tzviya> ...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Security_UC#Security-2
...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Security_UC#Security-2 ←
15:31:17 <tzviya> ...client side use case
...client side use case ←
15:31:38 <tzviya> ...user should have secure reader to access encrypted content
...user should have secure reader to access encrypted content ←
15:31:57 <tzviya> q+
q+ ←
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15:32:31 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
15:33:12 <tzviya> Markus: recommend removing EPUB from requirements as this is for OWP
Markus Gylling: recommend removing EPUB from requirements as this is for OWP ←
15:33:16 <azaroth> +1 re W3C vs EPUB
Robert Sanderson: +1 re W3C vs EPUB ←
15:33:18 <Zakim> - +329331aagg
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15:33:32 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:34:40 <tzviya> Pierre: security rules are usually linked to business rules (number of pages, number of cookies...). Where are the details of the security process?
Pierre Danet: security rules are usually linked to business rules (number of pages, number of cookies...). Where are the details of the security process? ←
15:34:51 <Zakim> + +329331aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aajj ←
15:34:55 <azaroth> zakim, aacc is azaroth
Robert Sanderson: zakim, aacc is azaroth ←
15:34:55 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it ←
15:35:32 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:35:49 <karen> Tzviya: one of issues of DRM in past is that it can inhibit usability
Tzviya Siegman: one of issues of DRM in past is that it can inhibit usability [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:35:59 <karen> ...whatever security is added should enable full usability
Karen Myers: ...whatever security is added should enable full usability ←
15:36:05 <karen> ...and as it relates to accessibility
Karen Myers: ...and as it relates to accessibility ←
15:36:07 <mgylling> ack azaroth
Markus Gylling: ack azaroth ←
15:36:25 <tzviya> Rob: this also impacts annotation
Robert Sanderson: this also impacts annotation ←
15:36:46 <tzviya> ...if you quote text, will impact annotation
...if you quote text, will impact annotation ←
15:36:50 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:37:05 <tzviya> ... a combined security/anno use case would be helpful
... a combined security/anno use case would be helpful ←
15:38:04 <tzviya> Markus: pagination task force
Markus Gylling: pagination task force ←
15:38:20 <tzviya> ...Dave Cramer will lead
...Dave Cramer will lead ←
15:39:08 <tzviya> ...define scope, priorities, and help in kicking this off for Dave
...define scope, priorities, and help in kicking this off for Dave ←
15:39:43 <tzviya> ...We must not run out of time, so must focus on essential issues
...We must not run out of time, so must focus on essential issues ←
15:40:35 <tzviya> Dave: how is what we are doing related to working CSS?
Dave Cramer: how is what we are doing related to working CSS? ←
15:41:08 <tzviya> Markus: this is part of the risk. With the exception of few contributions, there has been little input from publishing
Markus Gylling: this is part of the risk. With the exception of few contributions, there has been little input from publishing ←
15:41:30 <tzviya> ...we need to describe basic tenets of pagination
...we need to describe basic tenets of pagination ←
15:42:34 <tzviya> Dave
Dave ←
15:42:45 <tzviya> Dave: we are being media-agnostic
Dave Cramer: we are being media-agnostic ←
15:43:13 <tzviya> ...working on CSS that will work in browsers, print, reading systems
...working on CSS that will work in browsers, print, reading systems ←
15:43:24 <tzviya> +! to media agnostic
+1 to media agnostic ←
15:43:35 <ivan> s/+!/+1/
15:43:42 <tzviya> thanks
thanks ←
15:44:49 <azaroth> +1
Robert Sanderson: +1 ←
15:46:37 <tzviya> Markus: we will keep CSS WG in loop the whole time and ask for feedback
Markus Gylling: we will keep CSS WG in loop the whole time and ask for feedback ←
15:47:01 <tzviya> ...one question for peter linss is who should liasons be?
...one question for peter linss is who should liasons be? ←
15:47:11 <tzviya> ...Helen Sterns and ???
...Alan Stearns and Elika ←
15:47:20 <ivan> s/???/Elika/
15:47:22 <dauwhe> s/Helen/Alan/
15:47:34 <tzviya> ...have been working on fragmentation and column work
...have been working on fragmentation and column work ←
15:48:05 <azaroth> s/Sterns/Stearns/
15:48:10 <tzviya> Markus: Setting priorities: Clarify priorities of publishers is important
Markus Gylling: Setting priorities: Clarify priorities of publishers is important ←
15:48:21 <azaroth> (@alanstearns at Adobe)
Robert Sanderson: (@alanstearns at Adobe) ←
15:48:51 <tzviya> ...we have built prioritization into use case template, but that will not highlight critical elements
...we have built prioritization into use case template, but that will not highlight critical elements ←
15:49:00 <tzviya> ...this will also vary across publishing
...this will also vary across publishing ←
15:49:14 <tzviya> Dave: people will tell you it's all critical
Dave Cramer: people will tell you it's all critical ←
15:49:59 <tzviya> Peter: We may just need to gather a few things to throw at CSS WG first and see what can get done first
Peter Linss: We may just need to gather a few things to throw at CSS WG first and see what can get done first ←
15:50:23 <tzviya> Markus: need an active team of contributors to work with Dave
Markus Gylling: need an active team of contributors to work with Dave ←
15:51:00 <tzviya> Elka and Alan will hopefully participate
Elka and Alan will hopefully participate ←
15:51:17 <tzviya> Dave: Would like to see someone from Pearson
Dave Cramer: Would like to see someone from Pearson ←
15:51:31 <tzviya> ...they have done work on 4C textbooks
...they have done work on 4C textbooks ←
15:52:19 <tzviya> ...will go to Paul Belfonte
...will go to Paul Belfonte ←
15:53:07 <tzviya> Ivan: Would still be helpful to give Karen pointers to non-W3C people who might be helpful
Ivan Herman: Would still be helpful to give Karen pointers to non-W3C people who might be helpful ←
15:54:23 <tzviya> Markus: Alan Stearns of Adobe is very involved. What about organizations involved in IDPF?
Markus Gylling: Alan Stearns of Adobe is very involved. What about organizations involved in IDPF? ←
15:54:46 <tzviya> ...e.g. B&N or iBooks?
...e.g. B&N or iBooks? ←
15:56:05 <tzviya> VitalSource
VitalSource ←
15:57:04 <tzviya> Markus: Is there a model in mind?
Markus Gylling: Is there a model in mind? ←
15:57:29 <tzviya> ...Consider using the Japanese model
...Consider using the Japanese model ←
15:58:02 <tzviya> Dave: describe what should happen in every circumstance imaginable
Dave Cramer: describe what should happen in every circumstance imaginable ←
15:58:07 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/ Requirements for Japanese Text layout
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/ Requirements for Japanese Text layout ←
15:58:10 <plinss> http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/
Peter Linss: http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/ ←
15:58:43 <tzviya> Markus: this is also about concrete functional requirements
Markus Gylling: this is also about concrete functional requirements ←
15:59:28 <tzviya> ...e.g. is it enough to have headers and footers or do we need to transclude text?
...e.g. is it enough to have headers and footers or do we need to transclude text? ←
16:00:00 <tzviya> Dave: it might make sense to start from typographic perspective because that is where the body of knowledge comes from
Dave Cramer: it might make sense to start from typographic perspective because that is where the body of knowledge comes from ←
16:00:12 <tzviya> ...then shift to OWP
...then shift to OWP ←
16:00:34 <tzviya> Markus: we target to spend a lot of TPAC F2F on pagination
Markus Gylling: we target to spend a lot of TPAC F2F on pagination ←
16:00:54 <tzviya> ...to present whatever state our information is in at that point
...to present whatever state our information is in at that point ←
16:01:13 <tzviya> ...do we know whether we will meet with CSS WG at TPAC, Peter?
...do we know whether we will meet with CSS WG at TPAC, Peter? ←
16:01:32 <tzviya> Peter: I will bring it up
Peter Linss: I will bring it up ←
16:01:54 <tzviya> Markus: meet with Dave to continue planning
Markus Gylling: meet with Dave to continue planning ←
16:01:54 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:02:09 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi ←
16:02:13 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:02:15 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
16:02:16 <Zakim> - +329331aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: - +329331aajj ←
16:02:17 <Zakim> -Vlad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vlad ←
16:02:17 <Zakim> -dauwhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -dauwhe ←
16:02:17 <Zakim> -tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: -tzviya ←
16:02:18 <Zakim> - +1.503.456.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.503.456.aaff ←
16:02:18 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
16:02:18 <Zakim> - +33.1.43.92.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.1.43.92.aaaa ←
16:02:19 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers ←
16:02:21 <Zakim> -plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: -plinss ←
16:02:21 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:02:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/23-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/23-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
16:02:35 <Zakim> -Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert ←
16:03:23 <azaroth> Sorry for so many annotation use cases today, trying to do 3 or 4 a week so ended up with more than normal with the missed call
Robert Sanderson: Sorry for so many annotation use cases today, trying to do 3 or 4 a week so ended up with more than normal with the missed call ←
16:03:40 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:03:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P19 ←
16:03:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, tmichel, Sharad, Bert, Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi, tmichel, Sharad, Bert, Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro ←
16:04:49 <ivan> zakim, drop ??P19
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop ??P19 ←
16:04:49 <Zakim> ??P19 is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: ??P19 is being disconnected ←
16:04:50 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:04:50 <Zakim> Attendees were +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, +1.413.325.aabb, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc, +1.201.748.aadd, tzviya, Karen_Myers, plinss, +1.781.970.aaee, Vlad,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, +1.413.325.aabb, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc, +1.201.748.aadd, tzviya, Karen_Myers, plinss, +1.781.970.aaee, Vlad, ←
16:04:50 <Zakim> ... +1.503.456.aaff, Bert, +329331aagg, +44.797.077.aahh, +44.797.077.aaii, madi, +329331aajj, azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.503.456.aaff, Bert, +329331aagg, +44.797.077.aahh, +44.797.077.aaii, madi, +329331aajj, azaroth ←
16:05:09 <ivan> trackbot, stop telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, stop telcon ←
16:05:09 <trackbot> Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←
16:05:20 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:05:20 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:05:20 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
16:05:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:05:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/23-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/23-dpub-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:05:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:05:29 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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