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15:01:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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15:01:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM already started
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15:01:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:01:07 <trackbot> Date: 03 September 2013
15:01:07 <fjh> zakim, code?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code? ←
15:01:08 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
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15:01:28 <azaroth> scribe: azaroth
(Scribe set to Robert Sanderson)
15:01:30 <azaroth> Guest: Karen Myers
15:01:35 <karen> +1
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15:02:07 <Zakim> + +1.650.404.aaee
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15:02:14 <Zakim> + +44.797.077.aaff
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15:02:24 <duga> zakim, aaee is duga
Brady Duga: zakim, aaee is duga ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> +duga; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga; got it ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:02:33 <karen> zakim, aaff is Madi
Karen Myers: zakim, aaff is Madi ←
15:02:33 <Zakim> +Madi; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Madi; got it ←
15:02:40 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
15:02:40 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it ←
15:02:44 <mgylling> scribe: azaroth
15:02:46 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch ←
15:03:12 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:03:26 <mgylling> regrets: George Kerscher, Ivan Herman
15:03:34 <mgylling> Zakim, who is here?
Markus Gylling: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see +44.787.962.aaaa, +1.505.667.aabb, +46.7.06.02.aacc, +1.201.748.aadd, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +44.787.962.aaaa, +1.505.667.aabb, +46.7.06.02.aacc, +1.201.748.aadd, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga ←
15:03:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro ←
15:03:46 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
15:03:56 <azaroth> zakim, aabb is azaroth
zakim, aabb is azaroth ←
15:03:56 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
15:03:56 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it ←
15:04:05 <mgylling> Zakim, aaaa is GeorgeWalkley
Markus Gylling: Zakim, aaaa is GeorgeWalkley ←
15:04:05 <Zakim> +GeorgeWalkley; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +GeorgeWalkley; got it ←
15:04:44 <mgylling> Zakim, aacc is mgylling
Markus Gylling: Zakim, aacc is mgylling ←
15:04:45 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it ←
15:04:45 <Zakim> + +1.503.456.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.503.456.aagg ←
15:04:58 <mgylling> Zakim, aadd is Tzviya
Markus Gylling: Zakim, aadd is Tzviya ←
15:04:58 <Zakim> +Tzviya; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya; got it ←
15:05:04 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here ? ←
15:05:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeorgeWalkley, azaroth, mgylling, Tzviya, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga, ??P34, Bert, +1.503.456.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeorgeWalkley, azaroth, mgylling, Tzviya, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga, ??P34, Bert, +1.503.456.aagg ←
15:05:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, Bert, mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, Bert, mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro ←
15:05:26 <mgylling> Zakim, aagg is Sharad
Markus Gylling: Zakim, aagg is Sharad ←
15:05:27 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad; got it ←
15:05:54 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
15:05:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see GeorgeWalkley, azaroth, mgylling, Tzviya, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga, ??P34, Bert, Sharad
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GeorgeWalkley, azaroth, mgylling, Tzviya, Karen_Myers, Madi, fjh, duga, ??P34, Bert, Sharad ←
15:05:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, Bert, mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Sharad, Bert, mgylling, RRSAgent, duga, Zakim, karen, madi, azaroth, tzviya, fjh, GeorgeWalkley, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro ←
15:06:12 <tmichel> zakim, P34 is me
Thierry Michel: zakim, P34 is me ←
15:06:12 <Zakim> sorry, tmichel, I do not recognize a party named 'P34'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tmichel, I do not recognize a party named 'P34' ←
15:06:33 <azaroth> Can we have a volunteer at this stage to scribe while we're discussing the annotation use cases?
Can we have a volunteer at this stage to scribe while we're discussing the annotation use cases? ←
15:06:42 <Zakim> +plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: +plinss ←
15:06:54 <tmichel> zakim, ??P34 is me
Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P34 is me ←
15:06:55 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
15:07:24 <tmichel> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Sep/0000.html
15:07:28 <azaroth> Markus: Agenda is as we expect it. Reviewing use cases from the wiki as the main activity. Either new or ones becoming accepted.
Markus Gylling: Agenda is as we expect it. Reviewing use cases from the wiki as the main activity. Either new or ones becoming accepted. ←
15:08:03 <azaroth> ... First about logistics. Been asked to mention again TPAC again in China in November. Will be having a work session and also intent to start outreach to other WGs. If you can attend you should, if you will then you need to register ASAP
... First about logistics. Been asked to mention again TPAC again in China in November. Will be having a work session and also intent to start outreach to other WGs. If you can attend you should, if you will then you need to register ASAP ←
15:08:16 <azaroth> ... The reason we are pushing is that visas take time to get.
... The reason we are pushing is that visas take time to get. ←
15:08:32 <azaroth> ... Next, new members. We have George_walkley from Hachette.
... Next, new members. We have George_walkley from Hachette. ←
15:09:19 <azaroth> GeorgeWalkley: I am the head of digital for Hachette in the UK and commonwealth. Am responisble for ebooks and other products. SIt on a number of industry standards, chair of UK publishers association digital group that represents most UK publishers.
George Walkley: I am the head of digital for Hachette in the UK and commonwealth. Am responisble for ebooks and other products. SIt on a number of industry standards, chair of UK publishers association digital group that represents most UK publishers. ←
15:10:03 <azaroth> ... nominated as rep for Hachette globally on this group. Particular areas of interest are interactivity, especially for assessments, and to an extent comics and manga.
... nominated as rep for Hachette globally on this group. Particular areas of interest are interactivity, especially for assessments, and to an extent comics and manga. ←
15:10:42 <azaroth> Markus: Thank you GeorgeWalkley. The other participant from Hachette is ??? from Paris. He said over email that he has a constant issue with this time/day.
Markus Gylling: Thank you GeorgeWalkley. The other participant from Hachette is Pierre from Paris. He said over email that he has a constant issue with this time/day. ←
15:11:08 <azaroth> GeorgeWalkley: Will talk with Pierre so hope to represent him when he can't make it
George Walkley: Will talk with Pierre so hope to represent him when he can't make it ←
15:11:14 <azaroth> s/???/Pierre/
15:11:46 <azaroth> Markus: Not the only person to have the timing issue, up to 4 or 5 people, so wondering if we should do a poll to find a better slot.
Markus Gylling: Not the only person to have the timing issue, up to 4 or 5 people, so wondering if we should do a poll to find a better slot. ←
15:12:12 <azaroth> Thierry: Fine to organize a new time if necessary if we can find a better slot, not easy given global distribution
Thierry Michel: Fine to organize a new time if necessary if we can find a better slot, not easy given global distribution ←
15:12:24 <azaroth> Markus: Thierry takes care of a new doodle, including existing day and time.
Markus Gylling: Thierry takes care of a new doodle, including existing day and time. ←
15:12:41 <azaroth> ... Any suggestions for time/day other than this? Or just looking at new day?
... Any suggestions for time/day other than this? Or just looking at new day? ←
15:12:49 <azaroth> (tumbleweed)
(tumbleweed) ←
15:12:54 <tmichel> ACTION thierry to raganize a doodle with new timing, and keeping the existing one.
Thierry Michel: ACTION thierry to raganize a doodle with new timing, and keeping the existing one. ←
15:12:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Raganize a doodle with new timing, and keeping the existing one. [on Thierry Michel - due 2013-09-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-5 - Raganize a doodle with new timing, and keeping the existing one. [on Thierry Michel - due 2013-09-10]. ←
15:13:04 <azaroth> Brady: Any time other than this is good, as always on a bus
Brady Duga: Any time other than this is good, as always on a bus ←
15:13:20 <azaroth> ... 2pm Pacific in IDPF is normally good
... 2pm Pacific in IDPF is normally good ←
15:13:56 <azaroth> Markus: Very late in Europe, and have a fair number. Thierry perhaps we could give an alternate time?
Markus Gylling: Very late in Europe, and have a fair number. Thierry perhaps we could give an alternate time? ←
15:14:12 <azaroth> fjh: becomes very early in pacific/mountain
Frederick Hirsch: becomes very early in pacific/mountain ←
15:14:13 <tmichel> any proposal on another slot and day ?
Thierry Michel: any proposal on another slot and day ? ←
15:14:31 <tmichel> push 2 or three hours ahead ?
Thierry Michel: push 2 or three hours ahead ? ←
15:14:52 <azaroth> Markus: Would be better in Pacific, so might get better silicon valley attendance
Markus Gylling: Would be better in Pacific, so might get better silicon valley attendance ←
15:14:59 <tmichel> later in europe and of course in California
Thierry Michel: later in europe and of course in California ←
15:15:04 <tmichel> add an option two hours latter
Thierry Michel: add an option two hours latter ←
15:15:05 <azaroth> ... Thierry please add an option for two hours later and we'll see what preferences are
... Thierry please add an option for two hours later and we'll see what preferences are ←
15:15:18 <azaroth> Thierry: that means keeping the same day, or try another day?
Thierry Michel: that means keeping the same day, or try another day? ←
15:15:29 <azaroth> Markus: This time and 2 hours later, every day, so 10 options
Markus Gylling: This time and 2 hours later, every day, so 10 options ←
15:15:56 <tmichel> 10 options 2 hours latter and current slot every day ...
Thierry Michel: 10 options 2 hours latter and current slot every day ... ←
15:15:57 <azaroth> ... Moving on....
... Moving on.... ←
15:16:10 <azaroth> Regrets from a lot of people next week.
Regrets from a lot of people next week. ←
15:16:41 <azaroth> ... Thierry, can I add multiple regrets, or will it overwrite? There's a meeting with US publishers next week, including myself, so a heads-up that many people will be absent
... Thierry, can I add multiple regrets, or will it overwrite? There's a meeting with US publishers next week, including myself, so a heads-up that many people will be absent ←
15:16:42 <fjh> regrets for 17 Sept (in two weeks)
Frederick Hirsch: regrets for 17 Sept (in two weeks) ←
15:16:56 <tmichel> regrets also from Markus next week
Thierry Michel: regrets also from Markus next week ←
15:17:05 <azaroth> ... I suggest we still hold the meeting, unless it doesn't work for you
... I suggest we still hold the meeting, unless it doesn't work for you ←
15:17:12 <tmichel> Keep the meeting next week, with Madi chairing
Thierry Michel: Keep the meeting next week, with Madi chairing ←
15:17:25 <azaroth> Madi: Okay, but nervious as first meeting chaired
Madi Solomon: Okay, but nervious as first meeting chaired ←
15:17:54 <azaroth> Markus: How to best funnel requirements from EPUB implementation back to here? How to represent future requests and visions present there
Markus Gylling: How to best funnel requirements from EPUB implementation back to here? How to represent future requests and visions present there ←
15:18:00 <azaroth> Madi: Have a slide calling for use cases in my presentation
Madi Solomon: Have a slide calling for use cases in my presentation ←
15:18:08 <azaroth> Markus: With some luck can also get new members
Markus Gylling: With some luck can also get new members ←
15:18:34 <azaroth> ... Great, Use cases... in order to recap, the activity is all happening on the wiki. GeorgeWalkley if you don't have a link ...
... Great, Use cases... in order to recap, the activity is all happening on the wiki. GeorgeWalkley if you don't have a link ... ←
15:18:38 <azaroth> GeorgeWalkley: I have it
George Walkley: I have it ←
15:19:10 <azaroth> Markus: We've laid out things to get started to hone in on a few topics. Those are annotation, which Robert Sanderson is heading up, MathML which JeanKaplansky is working on
Markus Gylling: We've laid out things to get started to hone in on a few topics. Those are annotation, which Robert Sanderson is heading up, MathML which JeanKaplansky is working on ←
15:19:23 <tmichel> refer to http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Template
Thierry Michel: refer to http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Template ←
15:19:30 <azaroth> ... those are the two areas with activity. I've been scouting for requirements for pagination, Have a lead so hope to get going there as well
... those are the two areas with activity. I've been scouting for requirements for pagination, Have a lead so hope to get going there as well ←
15:19:52 <tmichel> and directory http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory
Thierry Michel: and directory http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory ←
15:19:54 <azaroth> ... That said and remains true for all of us, if there's a particular domain existing or new that you want to work on, it's very welcome to do that
... That said and remains true for all of us, if there's a particular domain existing or new that you want to work on, it's very welcome to do that ←
15:20:31 <azaroth> ... There's no prohibitions to working on it, in any state, don't need to seek a blessing. Just putting everything that's added as NEW and will take it through review to get it finalized. Can reject things that are out of scope or insignificant
... There's no prohibitions to working on it, in any state, don't need to seek a blessing. Just putting everything that's added as NEW and will take it through review to get it finalized. Can reject things that are out of scope or insignificant ←
15:20:44 <azaroth> ... if you have time to spare and expertise, the wiki is your friend.
... if you have time to spare and expertise, the wiki is your friend. ←
15:21:20 <azaroth> ... Looking at recent changes, I can tell that last week's requests to refine MathML and structural semantics not done yet, but new ones for annotation from Robert
... Looking at recent changes, I can tell that last week's requests to refine MathML and structural semantics not done yet, but new ones for annotation from Robert ←
15:21:32 <azaroth> ... In order to stick with scheme, my suggestion is that we review the new ones
... In order to stick with scheme, my suggestion is that we review the new ones ←
15:21:42 <azaroth> ... before we start, a new scribe?
... before we start, a new scribe? ←
15:21:51 <karen> scribenick: Karen
(Scribe set to Karen Myers)
15:22:05 <karen> Robert: I put up four new use cases
Robert Sanderson: I put up four new use cases ←
15:22:12 <karen> ...all of which are reasonably straight forward
...all of which are reasonably straight forward ←
15:22:16 <karen> ...first one is reading position
...first one is reading position ←
15:22:23 <karen> ...using social reading side of things
...using social reading side of things ←
15:22:36 <karen> ...there are systems out there that allow you to share where you are in a given publication
...there are systems out there that allow you to share where you are in a given publication ←
15:22:43 <karen> ...with book club, class, yourself
...with book club, class, yourself ←
15:22:51 <karen> ...works across multiple devices
...works across multiple devices ←
15:22:58 <karen> ...so you don't have to rebook mark
...so you don't have to rebook mark ←
15:23:06 <karen> ...also more inclusive W3C groups
...also more inclusive W3C groups ←
15:23:41 <karen> Markus: any questions or comments on first one?
Markus Gylling: any questions or comments on first one? ←
15:24:18 <karen> ...only way to reuse on another device is if you purchase from that vendor
...only way to reuse on another device is if you purchase from that vendor ←
15:24:26 <karen> ...so this book marking is a critical piece
...so this book marking is a critical piece ←
15:24:33 <karen> ...to exchange that data between different vendors
...to exchange that data between different vendors ←
15:24:58 <karen> Robert: second one is highlighting a span of text
Robert Sanderson: second one is highlighting a span of text ←
15:24:58 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_2
Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_2 ←
15:25:05 <karen> ...user wants to highlight for interest
...user wants to highlight for interest ←
15:25:15 <karen> ...no annotation, just here is some bit of text that is important
...no annotation, just here is some bit of text that is important ←
15:25:21 <karen> ...this use case does not say how it is to be done
...this use case does not say how it is to be done ←
15:25:32 <karen> ...could change background color, make it bold
...could change background color, make it bold ←
15:25:39 <karen> ...another use case describes an approach
...another use case describes an approach ←
15:25:49 <karen> ...need a two points in the range to be highlighted
...need a two points in the range to be highlighted ←
15:25:54 <karen> ...want to be able to share this piece
...want to be able to share this piece ←
15:25:59 <karen> ...with yourself or group
...with yourself or group ←
15:26:07 <karen> ...also commonly supported on ebook platforms but again
...also commonly supported on ebook platforms but again ←
15:26:16 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:26:19 <karen> ...as Markus said, no agreed upon way to share interoperably
...as Markus said, no agreed upon way to share interoperably ←
15:26:20 <brady_duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:26:23 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:26:35 <karen> Tzviya: This might seem obvious
Tzviya Siegman: This might seem obvious ←
15:26:47 <karen> ...but do we need to spell out that this needs to be saved from use to use?
...but do we need to spell out that this needs to be saved from use to use? ←
15:26:50 <karen> Robert: that is a good point
Robert Sanderson: that is a good point ←
15:26:53 <karen> ...I shall add that
...I shall add that ←
15:27:03 <karen> ...that is a requirement for all the annotation use cases
...that is a requirement for all the annotation use cases ←
15:27:05 <mgylling> ack brady_duga
Markus Gylling: ack brady_duga ←
15:27:06 <karen> ...that's a good one
...that's a good one ←
15:27:14 <karen> Brady: my question is how are @ dynamics shared?
Brady Duga: my question is how are @ dynamics shared? ←
15:27:28 <karen> ...imagine and export mechanism to export annotations to other devices
...imagine and export mechanism to export annotations to other devices ←
15:27:33 <karen> ...may be ok one device to another
...may be ok one device to another ←
15:27:46 <karen> ...but if you are reading same book on two different systems, is there a dynamic problem?
...but if you are reading same book on two different systems, is there a dynamic problem? ←
15:27:53 <karen> Robert: automatically performed?
Robert Sanderson: automatically performed? ←
15:28:06 <karen> ...for highlighting maybe you don't want it synched across devices
...for highlighting maybe you don't want it synched across devices ←
15:28:15 <karen> ...reading position you want to close iPad and read on phone
...reading position you want to close iPad and read on phone ←
15:28:24 <karen> ...or another tablet and so you would automatically save that position
...or another tablet and so you would automatically save that position ←
15:28:29 <karen> ...is that what you mean?
...is that what you mean? ←
15:28:35 <karen> Brady: even highlighting, I can see
Brady Duga: even highlighting, I can see ←
15:28:53 <karen> ...I want as user to get data I have stored
...I want as user to get data I have stored ←
15:28:57 <karen> ...that is export mechanism
...that is export mechanism ←
15:29:01 <karen> ...data I own
...data I own ←
15:29:12 <karen> ...and I use single player or iBooks
...and I use single player or iBooks ←
15:29:23 <karen> ...and I want to share my reading system and annotations on different platforms
...and I want to share my reading system and annotations on different platforms ←
15:29:37 <karen> Robert: I would propose adding an indirection use case
Robert Sanderson: I would propose adding an indirection use case ←
15:29:45 <karen> ...crosses across social and reading indirection
...crosses across social and reading indirection ←
15:29:52 <karen> ...to distinguish export and synchronization
...to distinguish export and synchronization ←
15:30:12 <karen> Markus: that is a very important distinction, thank you Brady
Markus Gylling: that is a very important distinction, thank you Brady ←
15:30:23 <karen> ...across systems and vendors is a different animal
...across systems and vendors is a different animal ←
15:30:30 <karen> ...involving APIs and discovery of service providers
...involving APIs and discovery of service providers ←
15:30:42 <karen> ...don't need to worry about implementations now, but what users want and need
...don't need to worry about implementations now, but what users want and need ←
15:30:48 <karen> ...queue is empty, please move on
...queue is empty, please move on ←
15:30:55 <karen> Robert: third new use case is the same as the previous one
Robert Sanderson: third new use case is the same as the previous one ←
15:31:02 <karen> ...with more than just the highlight
...with more than just the highlight ←
15:31:13 <karen> ...then there is the comment of what it should do
...then there is the comment of what it should do ←
15:31:23 <karen> ...HTML or other format; does it require layout or styling assistance
...HTML or other format; does it require layout or styling assistance ←
15:31:27 <karen> ...questions on that one?
...questions on that one? ←
15:31:47 <karen> ...Last one is slightly more interesting
...Last one is slightly more interesting ←
15:31:52 <karen> ...Annotating the text of publication
...Annotating the text of publication ←
15:32:00 <karen> ...imagine an ebook with images, audio, video
...imagine an ebook with images, audio, video ←
15:32:09 <karen> ...may even wish to comment on the style sheets if you are a developer
...may even wish to comment on the style sheets if you are a developer ←
15:32:19 <karen> ...a mark, a bug, that makes it not render on a particular platform
...a mark, a bug, that makes it not render on a particular platform ←
15:32:31 <karen> ...requirements are that the embedded sources are targeted with annotations
...requirements are that the embedded sources are targeted with annotations ←
15:32:38 <karen> ...including the ability to solicit resources
...including the ability to solicit resources ←
15:32:43 <karen> ...may not be @ directly
...may not be @ directly ←
15:32:52 <karen> ...I put the non-rendered resources in
...I put the non-rendered resources in ←
15:32:56 <karen> ...to provoke a response
...to provoke a response ←
15:33:04 <karen> ...not entirely sure that's within scope or useful
...not entirely sure that's within scope or useful ←
15:33:09 <karen> ...we can certainly look
...we can certainly look ←
15:33:19 <karen> Markus: that is a discussion to be had
Markus Gylling: that is a discussion to be had ←
15:33:25 <karen> ...once we move from new into blessed
...once we move from new into blessed ←
15:33:26 <karen> q+
q+ ←
15:33:34 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:33:36 <mgylling> ack karen
Markus Gylling: ack karen ←
15:33:39 <azaroth> Scribe: azaroth
(Scribe set to Robert Sanderson)
15:33:51 <azaroth> Karen: Not a technical question but understanding the use case for other content from other industries
Karen Myers: Not a technical question but understanding the use case for other content from other industries ←
15:34:13 <azaroth> .. Also support the web and tv and know they have an annotation group. Not sure what they're doing but you might want to chat with those folks. Sounds similar
.. Also support the web and tv and know they have an annotation group. Not sure what they're doing but you might want to chat with those folks. Sounds similar ←
15:34:33 <azaroth> Robert: Please send details will follow up.
Robert Sanderson: Please send details will follow up. ←
15:34:35 <mgylling> ack Tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack Tzviya ←
15:34:40 <karen> ack Tzviya
Karen Myers: ack Tzviya ←
15:34:53 <karen> Tzviya: I think being able to annotate Javascript is an excellent idea
Tzviya Siegman: I think being able to annotate Javascript is an excellent idea [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:34:56 <azaroth> Tzviya: Being able to annotate javascript etc is excellent idea, but a new use case
Tzviya Siegman: Being able to annotate javascript etc is excellent idea, but a new use case ←
15:34:57 <karen> ...two different use cases
Karen Myers: ...two different use cases ←
15:34:57 <brady_duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:35:00 <karen> ...different users
Karen Myers: ...different users ←
15:35:08 <karen> ...one targets developers one users
Karen Myers: ...one targets developers one users ←
15:35:11 <karen> Robert: yes, good point
Robert Sanderson: yes, good point [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:35:15 <karen> ...I can split that up
Karen Myers: ...I can split that up ←
15:35:21 <karen> Markus: sounds like good idea to me
Markus Gylling: sounds like good idea to me [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:35:31 <karen> ...easier to split up in the upcoming ranking exercise
Karen Myers: ...easier to split up in the upcoming ranking exercise ←
15:35:46 <brady_duga> q-
Brady Duga: q- ←
15:35:47 <karen> ...looking at links
Karen Myers: ...looking at links ←
15:36:12 <karen> ...at future use cases
Karen Myers: ...at future use cases ←
15:36:21 <karen> ...how is annotating parts of embedded resources different?
Karen Myers: ...how is annotating parts of embedded resources different? ←
15:36:34 <karen> Robert: I really like this image...you should change this Javascript
Robert Sanderson: I really like this image...you should change this Javascript [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:36:42 <karen> ...or drawing a rectangular or polygon
Karen Myers: ...or drawing a rectangular or polygon ←
15:37:00 <karen> ...on an embedded resource rather than entrie resource
Karen Myers: ...on an embedded resource rather than entrie resource ←
15:37:04 <karen> ...change more code
Karen Myers: ...change more code ←
15:37:17 <karen> ...way to do embedded resource and describe
Karen Myers: ...way to do embedded resource and describe ←
15:37:28 <karen> Markus: one thing associated here is annotation of dynamic object
Markus Gylling: one thing associated here is annotation of dynamic object [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:37:32 <karen> ...I know this is one of the issues
Karen Myers: ...I know this is one of the issues ←
15:37:36 <karen> ...in education for example
Karen Myers: ...in education for example ←
15:37:45 <karen> ..so the user is basically in a context of half state
Karen Myers: ..so the user is basically in a context of half state ←
15:37:53 <karen> ...quiz with ten steps
Karen Myers: ...quiz with ten steps ←
15:38:02 <karen> ...and wants to annotate an object in a particular state
Karen Myers: ...and wants to annotate an object in a particular state ←
15:38:08 <karen> ...that is a really scary thing of course
Karen Myers: ...that is a really scary thing of course ←
15:38:12 <karen> ...but comes up from time to time
Karen Myers: ...but comes up from time to time ←
15:38:16 <karen> ...may be something simpler
Karen Myers: ...may be something simpler ←
15:38:22 <karen> ...or annotate a state in advance for user
Karen Myers: ...or annotate a state in advance for user ←
15:38:27 <karen> ...so you get a tip from your teacher
Karen Myers: ...so you get a tip from your teacher ←
15:38:31 <karen> Robert: open annotation model
Robert Sanderson: open annotation model [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:38:36 <karen> ...we have @ state
Karen Myers: ...we have @ state ←
15:38:42 <karen> ...state of resource in which I was annotating
Karen Myers: ...state of resource in which I was annotating ←
15:38:48 <karen> ...at the time I was annotating it
Karen Myers: ...at the time I was annotating it ←
15:38:54 <karen> ...focused on things that are only cross domain
Karen Myers: ...focused on things that are only cross domain ←
15:39:02 <karen> ...only two different ways of describing it
Karen Myers: ...only two different ways of describing it ←
15:39:05 <karen> ...first was at this time
Karen Myers: ...first was at this time ←
15:39:13 <karen> ...annotated home page on 22 July of 2004
Karen Myers: ...annotated home page on 22 July of 2004 ←
15:39:19 <karen> ...second one is to cover content negotiations
Karen Myers: ...second one is to cover content negotiations ←
15:39:30 <karen> ...these are the http headers I sent to the resource which I then annotated
Karen Myers: ...these are the http headers I sent to the resource which I then annotated ←
15:39:34 <karen> ...use cases that you bring up I'm sure
Karen Myers: ...use cases that you bring up I'm sure ←
15:39:42 <karen> ...we would need additional descriptive mechanisms
Karen Myers: ...we would need additional descriptive mechanisms ←
15:40:01 <karen> ...to say I rotated the 3D model by 25 degrees and rotated it
Karen Myers: ...to say I rotated the 3D model by 25 degrees and rotated it ←
15:40:13 <karen> Markus: user agent does not know...asking for API
Markus Gylling: user agent does not know...asking for API [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:40:18 <karen> ...wondering if it would be worth
Karen Myers: ...wondering if it would be worth ←
15:40:22 <karen> ...unless you already have it
Karen Myers: ...unless you already have it ←
15:40:25 <karen> ...whether we should add that one
Karen Myers: ...whether we should add that one ←
15:40:31 <karen> ...it's important to education people
Karen Myers: ...it's important to education people ←
15:40:39 <karen> Robert: yes, I shall do that and add the advanced use cases
Robert Sanderson: yes, I shall do that and add the advanced use cases [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:40:42 <karen> Markus: beautiful
Markus Gylling: beautiful [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:40:50 <karen> ...thank you a lot Robert for your work so far
Karen Myers: ...thank you a lot Robert for your work so far ←
15:41:00 <karen> ...apart from this being a good and important set of use cases
Karen Myers: ...apart from this being a good and important set of use cases ←
15:41:13 <karen> ...is that this set of our collection can serve as a role model for the upcoming areas to work on
Karen Myers: ...is that this set of our collection can serve as a role model for the upcoming areas to work on ←
15:41:18 <karen> ...good to have something complete soon
Karen Myers: ...good to have something complete soon ←
15:41:22 <karen> ...and be reading for blessing
Karen Myers: ...and be reading for blessing ←
15:41:29 <karen> ...then we can use this as a basis to help others
Karen Myers: ...then we can use this as a basis to help others ←
15:41:34 <karen> Robert: you are welcome
Robert Sanderson: you are welcome [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:41:38 <karen> Markus: Great
Markus Gylling: Great [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:41:45 <karen> Scribenick: Robert
15:42:05 <azaroth> Markus: Moving on, we've had no edits to existing use cases, so nothing to discuss there.
Markus Gylling: Moving on, we've had no edits to existing use cases, so nothing to discuss there. ←
15:42:36 <azaroth> ... Next agenda is upcoming focus areas and steps. We decided to start with anno, pagination and mathml, but there's nothing to stop us looking for people to drive activity in other areas
... Next agenda is upcoming focus areas and steps. We decided to start with anno, pagination and mathml, but there's nothing to stop us looking for people to drive activity in other areas ←
15:42:52 <azaroth> ... I'd like to ask if there are any suggestions or offers from anyone to start working on a new area?
... I'd like to ask if there are any suggestions or offers from anyone to start working on a new area? ←
15:43:20 <azaroth> Madi: I'm planning to work to pinpoint key folks in Pearson to fill out use cases, one on the structural html5 use case
Madi Solomon: I'm planning to work to pinpoint key folks in Pearson to fill out use cases, one on the structural html5 use case ←
15:43:24 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:43:27 <azaroth> ... probably another one regarding accessibility
... probably another one regarding accessibility ←
15:43:31 <tzviya> I've been doing more research around structural semantics as well
Tzviya Siegman: I've been doing more research around structural semantics as well ←
15:43:42 <azaroth> ... Would like to get started on one, as there are many
... Would like to get started on one, as there are many ←
15:43:45 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:44:18 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:44:23 <azaroth> Markus: Soudns great. When it comes to structuring, Tziva has added one requirement on sturcutral semantics on the directory page which talks about ... inflecting additional structural semantics on existing html
Markus Gylling: Soudns great. When it comes to structuring, Tziva has added one requirement on sturcutral semantics on the directory page which talks about ... inflecting additional structural semantics on existing html ←
15:44:39 <azaroth> ... this is a big area which I expect will generate lots of discussion, where this is needed and why, how to do it best
... this is a big area which I expect will generate lots of discussion, where this is needed and why, how to do it best ←
15:44:42 <azaroth> ... definitely welcome
... definitely welcome ←
15:44:49 <mgylling> ack duga
Markus Gylling: ack duga ←
15:44:53 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:45:01 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:45:10 <brady_duga> That was just me dropping in and out - sorry
Brady Duga: That was just me dropping in and out - sorry ←
15:45:26 <azaroth> Tzviya: Also been doing work with accessibility, hope to have additional use cases. Also structural semantics.
Tzviya Siegman: Also been doing work with accessibility, hope to have additional use cases. Also structural semantics. ←
15:45:51 <azaroth> Markus: Great. Other low hanging fruit is indexes from glossaries, dictionaries, etc. Reading systems want to use the data in them.
Markus Gylling: Great. Other low hanging fruit is indexes from glossaries, dictionaries, etc. Reading systems want to use the data in them. ←
15:46:02 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:46:07 <mgylling> ack duga
Markus Gylling: ack duga ←
15:47:00 <azaroth> ... At this point unless there's offers to get going? It doesn't make sense to kick off an area without a lead. There's a few of us who will have more time after next week, so hope to have more contributions coming in a coule of weeks in order to not lose speed
... At this point unless there's offers to get going? It doesn't make sense to kick off an area without a lead. There's a few of us who will have more time after next week, so hope to have more contributions coming in a coule of weeks in order to not lose speed ←
15:47:24 <azaroth> ... I think that's basically it for today. any other business items? Comments from anyone?
... I think that's basically it for today. any other business items? Comments from anyone? ←
15:47:42 <azaroth> ... Okay, good. We thank Robert for scribing and meet again next week.
... Okay, good. We thank Robert for scribing and meet again next week. ←
15:47:44 <Zakim> -fjh
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15:47:48 <Zakim> -duga
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15:47:51 <Zakim> -azaroth
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15:47:57 <karen> rrsagent, draft minutes
Karen Myers: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:47:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-dpub-minutes.html karen
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-dpub-minutes.html karen ←
15:48:22 <azaroth> karen: I guess that Markus has to edit the minutes page?
Karen Myers: I guess that Markus has to edit the minutes page? ←
15:48:27 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
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15:48:29 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
15:48:32 <azaroth> Or does anyone have the rights on it?
Or does anyone have the rights on it? ←
15:48:58 <azaroth> s/Pierre/Pierre Danet/
15:49:04 <azaroth> Thanks GeorgeWalkley
Thanks GeorgeWalkley ←
15:49:40 <mgylling> So looking at the output we now know that one cannot add multiple regrets lines.
Markus Gylling: So looking at the output we now know that one cannot add multiple regrets lines. ←
15:50:09 <mgylling> tmichel, we would need to edit the generated minutes, the regrets got messed up
Markus Gylling: tmichel, we would need to edit the generated minutes, the regrets got messed up ←
15:50:21 <azaroth> My regrets for next week also, I'm on vacation with my sister who's visiting us from New Zealand
My regrets for next week also, I'm on vacation with my sister who's visiting us from New Zealand ←
15:50:32 <mgylling> azaroth, ok
Markus Gylling: azaroth, ok ←
15:51:42 <mgylling> regrets: George Kerscher, Ivan Herman
15:51:49 <mgylling> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:51:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/03-dpub-minutes.html mgylling
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15:52:09 <mgylling> nope didn't work
Markus Gylling: nope didn't work ←
15:52:09 <GeorgeWalkley> quit
George Walkley: quit ←
15:52:57 <mgylling> tmichel, strike that, fixed now, no action needed
Markus Gylling: tmichel, strike that, fixed now, no action needed ←
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