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16:25:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
16:25:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
16:25:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM scheduled to start in 35 minutes
16:25:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:25:08 <trackbot> Date: 19 December 2013
16:25:43 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013OctDec/0330.html
16:25:51 <olivier> Chair: olivier
16:26:02 <olivier> Agenda+ Review of action items
16:26:13 <olivier> zakim, bye
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16:26:23 <olivier> Zakim, this will be 28346
16:26:23 <Zakim> ok, olivier; I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM scheduled to start in 34 minutes
16:26:27 <olivier> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:26:31 <olivier> Date: 19 December 2013
16:26:37 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013OctDec/0330.html
16:26:40 <olivier> Chair: olivier
16:26:43 <olivier> Agenda+ Review of action items
16:26:47 <olivier> Agenda+ De-zippering
16:26:54 <olivier> Agenda+ Data Races
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16:57:43 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has now started
16:57:50 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
17:01:34 <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aaaa
17:01:44 <cwilso> zakim, 650 is me
17:01:44 <Zakim> sorry, cwilso, I do not recognize a party named '650'
17:01:53 <cwilso> zakim, +650 is me
17:01:53 <Zakim> sorry, cwilso, I do not recognize a party named '+650'
17:01:55 <cwilso> grr
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17:02:06 <cwilso> zakim, .aaaa is me
17:02:06 <Zakim> sorry, cwilso, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'
17:02:09 <cwilso> zakim, aaaa is me
17:02:09 <Zakim> +cwilso; got it
17:02:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:02:25 <olivier> zakim, IPcaller is me
17:02:25 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
17:03:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:03:43 <jmd_> jmd_ has joined #audio
17:03:56 <kawai> zakim, IPcaller is me
17:03:56 <Zakim> +kawai; got it
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17:05:16 <cwilso> zakim, .aaaa has rtoyg
17:05:16 <Zakim> sorry, cwilso, I do not recognize a party named '.aaaa'
17:05:19 <cwilso> sigh.
17:05:25 <cwilso> zakim, cwilso has rtoyg
17:05:25 <Zakim> +rtoyg; got it
17:05:25 <rtoyg_> rtoyg_ has joined #audio
17:05:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:05:48 <Zakim> + +1.817.403.aabb
17:06:49 <padenot> is the quality terrible today, or am I having problems?
17:07:05 <cwilso> zakim, aabb is jmd
17:07:05 <Zakim> +jmd; got it
17:07:18 <cwilso> jmd = Janet Dunbar
17:07:59 <Zakim> -jmd
17:08:20 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
17:08:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Doug_Schepers, cwilso, olivier, kawai, [IPcaller]
17:08:21 <Zakim> cwilso has rtoyg
17:08:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see rtoyg_, jmd, kawai, Zakim, RRSAgent, jernoble, shepazu, cwilso, heath, rtoyg, paul___irish, mdjp, olivier, toyoshim, trackbot, padenot
17:08:32 <olivier> zakim take up agendum 1
17:08:39 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
17:08:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review of action items" taken up [from olivier]
17:09:03 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013OctDec/0330.html
17:09:22 <Zakim> +??P12
17:09:30 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:09:38 <jernoble> zakim, ??P12 is me
17:09:38 <Zakim> +jernoble; got it
17:10:03 <padenot> gahh, skype crashed on me, one sec
17:10:07 <olivier> np
17:10:18 <olivier> ACTION-87
17:10:18 <trackbot> ACTION-87 -- Matthew Paradis to Review http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/webaudio, suggest updates -- due 2013-12-12 -- OPEN
17:10:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/87
17:10:44 <olivier> ACTION-91
17:10:44 <trackbot> ACTION-91 -- Chris Wilson to Do a quick review of hrt l2 -- due 2013-12-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:10:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/91
17:11:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:11:08 <olivier> cwilso: went through spec
17:11:21 <olivier> ... very little new. adding support to workers
17:11:23 <padenot> Zakim, IPcaller is me
17:11:24 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
17:11:34 <olivier> ... only one substantial change - more clearly defined origin
17:11:45 <olivier> action-91 closed
17:11:45 <trackbot> Closed action-91.
17:11:59 <olivier> action-89
17:11:59 <trackbot> action-89 -- Paul Adenot to Look at current implementations, and draft interface to request mathematical oscillator (issues/127) and specify phase (base on pr 270) -- due 2013-12-12 -- OPEN
17:11:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/89
17:12:26 <olivier> padenot: hoping to have a PR by tomorrow
17:12:40 <olivier> ACTION-89 due in 3 weeks
17:12:40 <trackbot> Set ACTION-89 Look at current implementations, and draft interface to request mathematical oscillator (issues/127) and specify phase (base on pr 270) due date to 2014-01-09.
17:12:51 <olivier> action-80
17:12:51 <trackbot> action-80 -- Chris Wilson to Remove webaudio section on example applications, photos from section on convolution, and salvage anything valuable -- due 2014-01-09 -- OPEN
17:12:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/80
17:13:28 <olivier> cwilso: at the top of my audio pile
17:13:37 <olivier> ACTION-80 due in 3 weeks
17:13:37 <trackbot> Set ACTION-80 Remove webaudio section on example applications, photos from section on convolution, and salvage anything valuable due date to 2014-01-09.
17:13:47 <olivier> action-86
17:13:47 <trackbot> action-86 -- Chris Lowis to Document the case of mediaelementaudiosource and mediastreamaudiosource nodes in offlineaudiocontext on github -- due 2013-12-19 -- OPEN
17:13:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/86
17:14:14 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 1
17:14:14 <Zakim> agendum 1, Review of action items, closed
17:14:15 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:14:15 <Zakim> 2. De-zippering [from olivier]
17:15:21 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 2
17:15:21 <Zakim> agendum 2. "De-zippering" taken up [from olivier]
17:15:43 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013OctDec/0329.html
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17:17:21 <olivier> look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013OctDec/0322.html for point 3 of the CfC
17:17:28 <olivier> on how to define the smoothing
17:18:36 <olivier> Agreement on this?
17:18:38 <olivier> “I expect we can come up with a similar mathematical function or
17:18:39 <olivier> functions to those involved in AudioParam methods, but the
17:18:39 <olivier> parameters are different because AudioParam methods are designed
17:18:39 <olivier> for scheduling effects in the future.  We don't have a good way to
17:18:41 <olivier> specify the start time to be "as soon as possible" or to specify
17:18:44 <olivier> the duration of the transition.
17:19:43 <olivier> [group reading the suggestion from Karl on how we'd define dezippering not as one of the current methods
17:19:46 <olivier> ]
17:20:50 <olivier> cwilso: seems to be a very different approach to smoothing
17:21:50 <Zakim> -jernoble
17:23:43 <olivier> cwilso: I had understood that as "whenever you set .value you effectively use settargetattime”
17:23:55 <olivier> ... I believe Karl is thinking of how you'd smooth different things
17:25:35 <olivier> ... gets complicated if you have to start doing a whole inventory
17:27:09 <olivier> cwilso: created https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/279
17:27:17 <olivier> ... as a byproduct of this discussion
17:28:36 <olivier> olivier: so should it be strictly defined as an alias of settargetattime or leave it to implementation?
17:28:47 <olivier> cwilso: would be opposed to leaving it to implementation
17:29:21 <olivier> cwilso: could create too significant incompatibilities
17:29:24 <olivier> padenot: agree
17:29:46 <olivier> cwilso: would be inclined to define as alias
17:29:57 <olivier> ... under the hood it is effectively calling settargetattime
17:30:02 <olivier> ... clarify the parameters
17:30:10 <olivier> ... so it's very precise
17:30:32 <olivier> ... and explicitely list which ones it does not apply to
17:31:03 <olivier> ... and clarify the use of setvalueattime if you don't want smoothing
17:31:54 <olivier> olivier: how about AudioBufferSourceNode.playbackRate and OscillatorNode.frequency ?
17:34:13 <olivier> padenot: no reason not to do that
17:34:25 <olivier> ... it doesn't cause problem if you change them immediately
17:35:11 <olivier> olivier: the discussion is not about what is the best, but about consistency
17:35:25 <olivier> shepazu: agreed. there seems to be consensus
17:35:45 <olivier> ... my only worry is if there was strong opposition between implementors
17:36:19 <olivier> olivier: having had the CFC and clarifying discussion
17:37:09 <olivier> RESOLUTION: smoothing by default on all audioparam when setting .value, essentially an alias to settargetvalueattime, time constants TBD
17:37:28 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 2
17:37:28 <Zakim> agendum 2, De-zippering, closed
17:37:30 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:37:30 <Zakim> 3. Data Races [from olivier]
17:37:36 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 3
17:37:36 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Data Races" taken up [from olivier]
17:37:51 <olivier>  - https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/66 (AudioBuffer, assigned, needs PR)
17:37:54 <olivier>  - https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/268 (AudioProcessingEvent, TBD, on ChrisW’s pile)
17:37:57 <olivier>  - https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/254 (The rest. There seems to be consensus. I want to assess that and move on)
17:38:53 <olivier> olivier: first one (github-66) is on your pile now that refactoring done?
17:38:56 <olivier> padenot: it's landed
17:39:13 <padenot> http://padenot.github.io/web-audio-api/#the-audiobuffer-interface + http://padenot.github.io/web-audio-api/#audio-buffer-copying
17:40:00 <olivier> olivier: can you connect the PR to issue-66
17:40:39 <olivier> Agenda+ annotations
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17:41:24 <olivier> olivier: https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/268
17:41:54 <olivier> olivier: on your pile cwilso. Any ETA?
17:43:29 <olivier> cwilso: ETA end of January
17:43:45 <olivier> ... biggest concern with Paul's proposal is I'm unsure about performance cost
17:43:51 <Zakim> -padenot
17:44:01 <olivier> ... agree we need to make it so the modification outside of callback doesn't have any effect
17:44:39 <olivier> olivier: want to spend some time looking at impact
17:44:51 <olivier> cwilso: tends to be heavy already
17:44:56 <olivier> ... might only be a small impact
17:45:21 <olivier> ACTION: cwilso to report on exploration of performance impact of github issue 268
17:45:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Report on exploration of performance impact of github issue 268 [on Chris Wilson - due 2013-12-26].
17:45:33 <olivier> action-92 due 2014-01-28
17:45:34 <trackbot> Set action-92 Report on exploration of performance impact of github issue 268 due date to 2014-01-28.
17:46:03 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/254
17:46:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:46:19 <olivier> olivier: looking at comment https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/254#issuecomment-26590612
17:46:23 <padenot> sorry, crashed again
17:47:33 <olivier> olivier: do I understand there is consensus on the remaining 3
17:47:45 <olivier> cwilso: yes. think we already do copy
17:48:01 <olivier> ... need to check. what paul wrote seems like the right way
17:49:02 <olivier> cwilso: ok to make changes, don't think we need to investigate before deciding what the right thing
17:49:36 <olivier> ACTION: Padenot to implement changes listed in https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/254
17:49:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Implement changes listed in https://github.com/webaudio/web-audio-api/issues/254 [on Paul Adenot - due 2013-12-26].
17:49:43 <olivier> action-93 due in 4 weeks
17:49:43 <trackbot> Set action-93 Implement changes listed in https://github.com/webaudio/web-audio-api/issues/254 due date to 2014-01-16.
17:50:02 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 3
17:50:02 <Zakim> agendum 3, Data Races, closed
17:50:04 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:50:04 <Zakim> 4. annotations [from olivier]
17:50:09 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 4
17:50:09 <Zakim> agendum 4. "annotations" taken up [from olivier]
17:50:53 <olivier> shepazu: looking into annotations
17:51:02 <olivier> ... highlight section of a webpage and leave comments
17:51:10 <olivier> ... think we could benefit from this feedback mechanism
17:51:21 <olivier> ... and improve w3c feedback
17:51:30 <olivier> ... working with a nonprofit called hypothesis
17:51:48 <olivier> ... about to start an experiment with our specs in this group
17:51:57 <olivier> ... to provide feedback by annotating the spec
17:52:06 <olivier> ... maybe some time in Jan
17:53:20 <olivier> olivier: next meeting 16th Jan
17:53:26 <Zakim> -cwilso
17:53:28 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:53:30 <Zakim> -kawai
17:53:31 <Zakim> -olivier
17:53:33 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
17:53:33 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has ended
17:53:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Doug_Schepers, +1.650.214.aaaa, olivier, kawai, rtoyg, +1.817.403.aabb, jmd, jernoble, padenot, [IPcaller]
17:53:35 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:53:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/19-audio-minutes.html olivier
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