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20:01:18 <bgaraventa1979> getting the error pass code is not valid for the call
20:01:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
20:01:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start now
20:01:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
20:01:19 <trackbot> Date: 10 December 2013
20:01:28 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
20:01:30 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has ended
20:01:30 <Zakim> Attendees were
20:01:36 <clown> RRSAgent:  make logs public
20:01:41 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
20:01:48 <Zakim> +??P2
20:02:17 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
20:02:29 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:02:29 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
20:02:36 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:02:36 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:02:51 <bgaraventa1979> is the pass code still 2274?
20:03:17 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:03:26 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
20:03:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/10-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:06:28 <bgaraventa1979> can't dial in, pass code rejected
20:06:55 <cyns> cyns has joined #aapi
20:07:50 <bgaraventa1979> possibly, but it's the same phone as last time, I'll try again, no worries
20:08:11 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:08:34 <cyns> zakim, Microsoft has me
20:08:34 <Zakim> +cyns; got it
20:10:13 <MichaelC> zakim, microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
20:10:13 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
20:10:45 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
20:11:03 <MichaelC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Dec/0005.html
20:11:07 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Dec/0005.html
20:11:20 <MichaelC> agenda+ Brief update re: GNOME A11y Comments on UAIG
20:11:20 <MichaelC> (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2013OctDec/0001.html)
20:11:20 <MichaelC> and transition to CR
20:11:20 <MichaelC> (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Dec/0009.html).
20:11:20 <MichaelC> agenda+ ISSUE-629 (Cynthia) - Progress on Menu event testing in IE11.
20:11:21 <MichaelC> agenda+ ACTION-1311 (All) - Tables and role="presentation".  (See also
20:11:25 <MichaelC> ACTION-1312).
20:11:25 <trackbot> ACTION-1312 -- James Craig to Change presentation example from <span> to generic <example> element which does not have the same baggage as span, with varying cross-browser implementations. -- due 2013-12-09 -- OPEN
20:11:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1312
20:11:27 <MichaelC> agenda+ Splitting up the UAIG into core and module documents (All).
20:11:29 <MichaelC> agenda+ ARIA 1.1 UAIG issues/actions:
20:11:31 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
20:11:33 <MichaelC> agenda+ ARIA 1.1 issues/actions:
20:11:35 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/17
20:11:55 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
20:11:55 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Brief update re: GNOME A11y Comments on UAIG" taken up [from MichaelC]
20:12:20 <MichaelC> js: We sent formal responses to comments from Gnome A11Y group
20:12:25 <MichaelC> minor edits to UAIG
20:12:28 <MichaelC> most put off to 1.1
20:12:56 <MichaelC> group has consensus to proceed to CR
20:13:02 <MichaelC> mc: need to record formal consensus tomorrow
20:13:09 <MichaelC> js: will add note to draft
20:13:11 <clown> "Roles given in this document for ATK and for AT-SPI were implemented at the time of publication. However, the maintainers of <a href="#ref_ATK>ATK</a> and of <a href="#ref_AT-SPI>AT-SPI</a> have informed W3C that they have re-engineered several of the roles listed in this specification.  Developers are, therefore, strongly urged to consult the most current implementation specification draft for current, preferred values."
20:15:46 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
20:15:46 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-629 (Cynthia) - Progress on Menu event testing in IE11." taken up [from MichaelC]
20:15:54 <clown> issue-629?
20:15:54 <trackbot> issue-629 -- Unable to test ie11 as inconsistent with menu event mapping table due to lack of support of msaa column -- open
20:15:54 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/629
20:16:34 <MichaelC> cs: have been testing
20:16:48 <MichaelC> unclear right now if failures are because of IE bug or UAIG bug
20:17:22 <MichaelC> only failures are that start / end menu events not getting sent
20:17:26 <MichaelC> maybe that´s old / deprecated
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20:19:24 <bg1979> having connectivity issues it appears
20:21:55 <MichaelC> maybe we can just remove those from the table?
20:22:13 <MichaelC> mc: does that impact other UAs?
20:22:22 <MichaelC> <not sure>
20:22:29 <MichaelC> mc: we changed risk statement from removing, to making informative
20:22:40 <MichaelC> cs: ok, can live with that, at least it would still be there
20:23:01 <MichaelC> seems hard editorially to make just one row informative?
20:23:02 <MichaelC> mc: yes
20:23:31 <MichaelC> cs: seems ok to proceed with current risk statement then
20:23:31 <MichaelC> revisit in 1.1
20:24:44 <MichaelC> js: need this by 17 Jan?
20:24:52 <MichaelC> mc: that´s for new implementations to make themselves known
20:24:58 <MichaelC> for existing ones, there might be wiggle room
20:25:03 <MichaelC> but not much if we want to publish in 28 Jan
20:25:11 <MichaelC> js: Webkit might make the timeline
20:25:26 <MichaelC> cs: haven´t yet filed a bug, still trying to determine if this was intentional change
20:26:53 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
20:26:53 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ACTION-1311 (All) - Tables and role="presentation".  (See also" taken up [from MichaelC]
20:27:29 <MichaelC> js: MK noted Firefox re-implemented role=presentation
20:27:36 <MichaelC> turned into huge string
20:28:00 <clown> action-1311?
20:28:00 <trackbot> action-1311 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists; work out in UAIG 1.1 and with implementors/vendors how to resolve this. -- due 2014-01-31 -- OPEN
20:28:00 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1311
20:28:29 <MichaelC> so created this action for 1.1
20:28:44 <MichaelC> clarify that when stripping table structure, concatenate the strings
20:28:46 <clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435
20:28:53 <MichaelC> have separate nodes for each string
20:29:04 <clown> IA2_ROLE_TEXTFRAME
20:29:11 <MichaelC> cs: IE effectively turns table elements into span
20:29:33 <MichaelC> FF has fixed by putting above in for each TD
20:29:36 <MichaelC> seems to work for AT
20:29:41 <MichaelC> don´t know about linux version though
20:31:01 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
20:31:01 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Splitting up the UAIG into core and module documents (All)." taken up [from MichaelC]
20:31:48 <MichaelC> rs: Rich wants to split UAIG into a core and peripheral modules
20:32:03 <MichaelC> ARIA module would be core
20:32:08 <MichaelC> then HTML and SVG would be peripherals
20:33:13 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
20:33:31 <MichaelC> cs: need bigger discussion on this
20:33:31 <MichaelC> mc: yes, at FtF in Jan
20:33:41 <MichaelC> personally ok with core + modules but don´t think ARIA is the core
20:33:44 <MichaelC> hard to define what is
20:34:50 <MichaelC> not sure we can decide much in this caucus, need consensus of PFWG and affected groups
20:34:55 <MichaelC> js: and browser implementers
20:35:52 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:36:01 <MichaelC> zakim, microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
20:36:01 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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20:36:20 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
20:36:20 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ARIA 1.1 UAIG issues/actions:" taken up [from MichaelC]
20:36:34 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
20:37:48 <MichaelC> cs: not ready to think about 1.1 yet ;)
20:38:04 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
20:38:04 <Zakim> agendum 6. "ARIA 1.1 issues/actions:" taken up [from MichaelC]
20:38:31 <MichaelC> js: no point covering this, the energy´s not there today
20:38:42 <MichaelC> our quorum is a bit light
20:38:58 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
20:38:58 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
20:38:59 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
20:39:01 <MichaelC> topic: Next meeting
20:39:23 <MichaelC> js: will be here 17 Dec, then away, back for 7 Jan
20:41:01 <MichaelC> cs: similar
20:41:01 <bg1979> Thanks, will try to get the phone checked out for the next one
20:41:03 <MichaelC> mc: similar
20:41:44 <MichaelC> js: so that´ll be the meeting schedule, 17 Dec, then off, resume 7 Jan
20:41:55 <MichaelC> next week might be short
20:42:35 <bg1979> np, signing off, have a great day
20:42:57 <MichaelC> s/Thanks, will try to get the phone checked out for the next one//
20:43:03 <MichaelC> s/np, signing off, have a great day//
20:43:31 <MichaelC> zakim, list attendees
20:43:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, cyns, Cynthia_Shelly
20:43:34 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
20:43:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/10-aapi-minutes.html MichaelC
20:44:15 <MichaelC> s/getting the error pass code is not valid for the call//
20:44:23 <MichaelC> s/is the pass code still 2274?//
20:44:32 <MichaelC> s/can't dial in, pass code rejected//
20:44:38 <MichaelC> s/possibly, but it's the same phone as last time, I'll try again, no worries//
20:44:52 <MichaelC> s/having connectivity issues it appears//
20:45:02 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
20:45:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/10-aapi-minutes.html MichaelC
20:45:14 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
20:45:20 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
20:45:21 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:45:22 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has ended
20:45:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, cyns, Cynthia_Shelly
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