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<trackbot> Date: 21 November 2013
<Makx> no voice for me today
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> ??P26 is me
<scribe> scribe:gatemezi
<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-14
<HadleyBeeman> proposed: accept minutes of last week's meeting?
<DaveReynolds> +1
<olyerickson> +1
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> wasn't there either
<HadleyBeeman> +1
<fadmaa> +1
<HadleyBeeman> resolved: accept minutes of last weeks meeting
Resolved: meeting accepted of last week
<Biplav> Biplav - I am on IRC and having trouble connecting over phone. Trying.
<DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations
DaveReynolds: Haave received new
implementations ...
... and provided link on that, some to be published by
December
s/haave/have
<Biplav> +91.80.67.84.aacc is me (Biplav)
<PhilA> That's fabulous news - all terms used!
scribe: Plan to go ahead for Transition
<PhilA> Serious kudos to Dave on that
scribe: Still have to track the optional terms, without any criteria there.. So fine for that.
cygri asks what is the timeline for documentation report? Have to check all the integrity constraints?
Dave: a promise to have implementations by the end of November
<DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations
DaveReynolds: Just one more implementation added since last week
<DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_PR_transition
DaveReynolds: current state is that 5 terms are not really used , and updated with some evidence of usage terms
<PhilA> +1 to Sandro
Sandro: What could be done for the terms not used ?
DaveReynolds: We can still go ahead at the current state.. approved by Sandro
Phil: Do we have assurance that those terms would be implemented ?
<HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman: So we've agreed to take this to transition as-is and try to get it through.
DaveReynolds: use Turtle for the example, so change the section to be non normative, for dependence with the other group
<PhilA> Note on Normative Refs might be relevant http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references
<HadleyBeeman> from TPAC
PhilA gives a reference on normative from TPAC, see http://www.w3.org/2013/09/normative-references
<PhilA> Boris sent his regrets earlier
Bhyland: work ongoing on the doc
<PhilA> procurement section removed!
current status of the doc here https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html
<bhyland> See charter http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter
<PhilA> This is consistent with our resolution at the f2f http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-04-11#resolution_2
<bhyland> Procurement section has been entirely removed per past GLD WG discussion circa April 2013. Editors have reflected the WG's decision to remove it.
bhyland: the work here could be used as input for any other WG to make a more stable document
HadleyBeeman: a new timeline for
the document?
... or deadline?
<HadleyBeeman> 1. Editors revise and draft until 28 November.2. One week for working group comments and discussion (until 5 December)**
<HadleyBeeman> 3. One week for the editors to revise the document, respond to feedback, and return new draft to the working group for final review (5-12 December)
<HadleyBeeman> 4. The working group resolves to publish: 12 December
<HadleyBeeman> Does that look right, bhyland?
<bhyland> yes, thanks/
<HadleyBeeman> issue-6?
<trackbot> issue-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> it looks like it's a very specific issue to be in the same level as the other sections in BP... (1.8 How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges?)
<fadmaa> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/70
fadmaa: 2 updates here
<fadmaa> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Nov/0026.html
<fadmaa> """That's right, a downloadURL is a legal accessURL, but we don't want to enforce that as an entailment. Profiles of dcat may, for example, wish to impose a stronger separation where they only use accessURL for non-download locations, and we don't want to preclude such usage. We'll clarify the editorial text.""
fadmaa: discussion around issue-70, and see DaveReynolds email
<olyerickson> Dave's second suggestion had the correct balance (we feel)
<DaveReynolds> Fine by me :), feel free to rephase as appropriate, was just informal expression.
proposal: use option 2 of DaveReynolds email as official answer on DCAT
<makx> option 2 +1
fadmaa still have to discuss on versioning
<HadleyBeeman> phila: didn't Antoine Issac reply? I thought he was happy
<PhilA> Antoine's mail
<olyerickson> He's happy (at least according to that email)
fadmaa will update the page in wiki for comments accordingly
PhilA raises the worry of someone asking for putting more domain, range on properties
<olyerickson> +1 in support of PhilA's reluctance to specify domains and ranges
PhilA asks if we should have more specific domain, range
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> although restricting the usage, it facilitates interoperability
+1 to add more domain, range
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> but also being too liberal is a problem
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> you say nothing
<olyerickson> Hard to hear cygri
<olyerickson> mute me.
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> This needs to be decided for each property, not in general
<sandro> +1 that's what I meant
cygri: there is a couple of properties saying in the text the range, but without explicitly adding in the vocabulary
<PhilA> I have an example - 'keyword' which is defined as 'A keyword or tag describing the dataset.'
<DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri, the formal declaration should match the textual definition,
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to cygri
<makx> +1
What about the diagram showing the relationships?
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to sandro on the comment that quality in ontology is improved by considering the domain and ranges
olyerickson: we have to help users adopting the vocab
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> the call drop
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> sorry about that
fadmaa: I prefer not to restrict things, but can add more specifications
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> I was saying that the question is whether the property is meaningful without a restriction of domain and range
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> say, e.g., dateOfBirth is clearly something that you should restrict to make it meaningul
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> for some reason I can't get back on the call
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> ...
<HadleyBeeman> PhilA: I'll taken an action to read through the turtle schema and the original comment, and see if there is a domain or range not specifed — that it may be useful to do so. If so, I'll tell the mailing list.
<HadleyBeeman> … Adding a domain or range is editorial; removing them may be substantive changes.
<PhilA> Thanks JoaoPauloAlmeida - helpful comment
<PhilA> zakm, who is here?
<HadleyBeeman> cygri: Adding a domain type, by definition, is a change. Stating a domain just tags the use of the domain of being of a particular class.
<HadleyBeeman> PhilA: Does it help to declare a domain? What do you gain by doing that?
<HadleyBeeman> Cygri: Then an inference engine can work with it.
<HadleyBeeman> … We may have to look on a case-by-case basis
<fadmaa> +1 to looking into them case by case
PhilA: need to go through the schema to see if there is ambiguity to specify domain and range
<Biplav> +1 for looking on case by case. domain-range helps but we should not insist at the cost of being overly restrictive.
PhilA takes an action for that
<olyerickson> Also implementation report from WHOI
<PhilA> ACTION: PhilA to review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-155 - Review domains and ranges as implied/stated by the spec and encoded in the schema [on Phil Archer - due 2013-11-28].
fadmaa is working on 2 implementations of DCAT
olyerickson looking for another example
scribe: and have to state the specific properties used by that given implementation
HadleyBeeman, do we have enough information for exit criteria for WHOI implementation?
<HadleyBeeman> Our CR exit criteria for DCAT: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_CR_transition#Implementations
<HadleyBeeman> ACTION: john erickson put a paragraph into the mailing list to explain how the WHOI report helps us meet the CR criteria [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-gld-minutes.html#action02]
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fadmaa feeling good enough to go through DCAT procedure
scribe: on exit criteria
thanks all!
<JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye
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