IRC log of pf on 2013-11-18

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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM already started
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 18 November 2013
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chair: Rich
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+??P4
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-??P4
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+??P4
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meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
15:02:23 [janina]
zakim, ??P4 is me
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+janina; got it
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+Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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+[GVoice]
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zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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+Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
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zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
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ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
15:15:02 [janina]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Nov/0038.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Nov/0037.html
15:27:33 [richardschwerdtfeger]
scribe: Janina
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Nov/0045.html
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topic: UAIG Items
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rs: Any actions or issues?
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js: No, no mtg last week because of TPAC
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s/js/clown/
15:30:09 [janina]
rs: Need to discuss some last tests ...
15:30:45 [richardschwerdtfeger]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=2&filter_invalid=on&filter_required=on&filter=Filter+view
15:31:15 [janina]
clown: JC notes "waiting on bug fixes"
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rs: AT-SpPI has nothing to test except for a focus event
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clown: Unclear from report page that there's nothing to test, it's just blank, should say "NA"
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rs: IE11 not even generating focus event, so table will never pass
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rs: Have they transitioned to UIA? We don't know, haven't been told
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rs: We have the UIA column, but no info about it
15:36:13 [janina]
rs: On line docs only refer to Win8
15:36:35 [richardschwerdtfeger]
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
15:41:36 [janina]
rs: Would like to know what they're actually mapping
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rs: Wondering whether webkit bugs will be resolved in time for CR exit?
15:47:31 [janina]
rs: We have 2 implementations everywhere except these menu events
15:50:31 [clown]
proposal: In IE11, the focus events disappeared under Win7 using Tooling. How to test? Also, do not see MSAA+UIExpress menu events. How do we test?
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issue: Unable to test IE11 as inconsistent with menu event mapping table due to lack of support of MSAA column
15:52:31 [trackbot]
Created ISSUE-629 - Unable to test ie11 as inconsistent with menu event mapping table due to lack of support of msaa column. Please complete additional details at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/629/edit>.
15:55:35 [clown]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/629
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#aapi
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topic: SVG2
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rs: Now pointing to ARIA-1.1 in order to pickup Describedat
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rs: On all elements that Describedby supports
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topic: ARIA-1.1
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398
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issue-398?
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issue-398 -- Errata: aria-setsize and aria-posinset should apply to more than just listitem and option -- open
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398
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rs: Ah, I see it's covered. Good!
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issue-464?
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issue-464 -- Allow aria-haspopup on more roles -- open
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/464
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2011OctDec/0054.html
16:08:30 [richardschwerdtfeger]
http://www.w3.org/2011/10/17-pf-minutes.html
16:09:09 [janina]
clown: This is bubble-help
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clown: Suggested Ctrl-F1 in dhtml guide -- but JN asks "How does the user know?" -- Discoverability
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rs: haspopup becomes confusing
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mk: dialog being handled well
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mk: primarily a kybd access issue
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mk: They are content, can be anything, e.g. business card at IBM
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rs: Maybe better for IndieUI
16:20:58 [clown]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/
16:31:19 [richardschwerdtfeger]
rich: this has moved to Indie UI issue 17: https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/issues/17
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Resolution: Close issue 464
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zakim, bye
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