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15:01:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:01:55 <trackbot> Date: 18 November 2013
15:01:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
15:02:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
15:02:14 <Zakim> +??P4
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15:02:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
15:02:23 <janina> zakim, ??P4 is me
15:02:23 <Zakim> +janina; got it
15:02:59 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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15:05:18 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
15:05:26 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
15:05:26 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
15:05:41 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
15:05:41 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
15:15:02 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Nov/0038.html
15:17:11 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Nov/0037.html
15:27:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Janina
15:28:26 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Nov/0045.html
15:29:11 <janina> topic: UAIG Items
15:29:27 <janina> rs: Any actions or issues?
15:29:37 <janina> js: No, no mtg last week because of TPAC
15:29:46 <janina> s/js/clown/
15:30:09 <janina> rs: Need to discuss some last tests ...
15:30:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=2&filter_invalid=on&filter_required=on&filter=Filter+view
15:31:15 <janina> clown: JC notes "waiting on bug fixes"
15:31:33 <janina> rs: AT-SpPI has nothing to test except for a focus event
15:33:12 <janina> clown: Unclear from report page that there's nothing to test, it's just blank, should say "NA"
15:34:21 <janina> rs: IE11 not even generating focus event, so table will never pass
15:34:46 <janina> rs: Have they transitioned to UIA? We don't know, haven't been told
15:35:29 <janina> rs: We have the UIA column, but no info about it
15:36:13 <janina> rs: On line docs only refer to Win8
15:36:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
15:41:36 <janina> rs: Would like to know what they're actually mapping
15:44:17 <janina> rs: Wondering whether webkit bugs will be resolved in time for CR exit?
15:47:31 <janina> rs: We have 2 implementations everywhere except these menu events
15:50:31 <clown> proposal:  In IE11, the focus events disappeared under Win7 using Tooling.  How to test?  Also, do not see MSAA+UIExpress menu events.  How do we test?
15:52:31 <clown> issue:  Unable to test IE11 as inconsistent with menu event mapping table due to lack of support of MSAA column
15:52:31 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-629 - Unable to test ie11 as inconsistent with menu event mapping table due to lack of support of msaa column.  Please complete additional details at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/629/edit>.
15:55:35 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/629
15:56:27 <clown> #aapi
15:58:22 <janina> topic: SVG2
15:58:41 <janina> rs: Now pointing to ARIA-1.1 in order to pickup Describedat
15:59:08 <janina> rs: On all elements that Describedby supports
16:06:23 <janina> topic: ARIA-1.1
16:06:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398
16:06:30 <janina> issue-398?
16:06:30 <trackbot> issue-398 -- Errata: aria-setsize and aria-posinset should apply to more than just listitem and option -- open
16:06:30 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398
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16:07:11 <janina> rs: Ah, I see it's covered. Good!
16:07:16 <janina> issue-464?
16:07:16 <trackbot> issue-464 -- Allow aria-haspopup on more roles -- open
16:07:16 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/464
16:08:29 <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2011OctDec/0054.html
16:08:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/2011/10/17-pf-minutes.html
16:09:09 <janina> clown: This is bubble-help
16:09:45 <janina> clown: Suggested Ctrl-F1 in dhtml guide -- but JN asks "How does the user know?" -- Discoverability
16:10:53 <janina> rs: haspopup becomes confusing
16:11:18 <janina> mk: dialog being handled well
16:11:58 <janina> mk: primarily a kybd access issue
16:13:16 <janina> mk: They are content, can be anything, e.g. business card at IBM
16:18:42 <janina> rs: Maybe better for IndieUI
16:20:58 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/
16:31:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: this has moved to Indie UI issue 17: https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/issues/17
16:31:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> Resolution: Close issue 464
16:36:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:37:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, bye
16:37:59 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.541.678.aaaa, janina, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joseph_Scheuhammer
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