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14:58:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
14:58:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
14:58:42 <trackbot> Date: 04 November 2013
14:58:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
14:58:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Rich
14:59:02 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM has now started
14:59:02 <richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
14:59:03 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
14:59:14 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
14:59:14 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
14:59:27 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
14:59:27 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
14:59:38 <Zakim> + +1.541.678.aaaa
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15:00:16 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:01:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Oct/0173.html
15:02:10 <mattking> test message
15:02:21 <Zakim> +??P10
15:02:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, ??P10 is janina
15:02:36 <Zakim> +janina; got it
15:05:15 <Zakim> +??P20
15:05:27 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P20 is Michael_Cooper
15:05:27 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
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15:05:46 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Matt_King
15:05:46 <Zakim> +Matt_King; got it
15:06:13 <mattking> scribe: mattking
15:07:08 <mattking> TOPIC: UAIG  last call publication
15:07:14 <Zakim> +Jon_Gunderson
15:07:16 <MichaelC> regrets: Stefan_Schnabel
15:07:23 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Oct/0173.html
15:07:34 <mattking> RS: congratulations especially to Joseph for extraordinary effort!
15:08:23 <mattking> rs: Joseph any UAIG issues we need to look at this time?
15:08:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
15:08:41 <mattking> Joseph: nothing I am aware of that needs attention now.
15:09:46 <clown> issue-486?
15:09:46 <trackbot> issue-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
15:09:47 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
15:09:51 <Zakim> +??P5
15:09:51 <mattking> Some testing related to issue 486 still needed.
15:09:58 <mattking> issue 486?
15:10:08 <mattking> issue-486?
15:10:08 <trackbot> issue-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
15:10:09 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
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15:10:36 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P5 is probably Lisa_Seeman
15:10:36 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman?; got it
15:11:03 <mattking> issue-551?
15:11:03 <trackbot> issue-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable -- open
15:11:03 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
15:12:11 <mattking> Michael: we have tentative approval to move forward. UIA column is at risk.
15:12:32 <mattking> action-1106?
15:12:32 <trackbot> action-1106 -- Michael Cooper to Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases -- due 2013-09-17 -- OPEN
15:12:32 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1106
15:12:40 <mattking> RS: anything need to be done?
15:13:06 <mattking> MC: not critical
15:13:11 <mattking> RS: agree
15:13:20 <mattking> resolution: close action 1106
15:13:33 <mattking> RESOLUTION: close action 1106
15:13:44 <mattking> action-1188?
15:13:44 <trackbot> action-1188 -- Michael Cooper to UAIG links to hard-dated ARIA draft (wai-aria-20110118) should link to TR latest -- due 2013-09-24 -- OPEN
15:13:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1188
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15:14:04 <mattking> MC: this is editorial related to generator
15:14:57 <mattking> Michael checking links.
15:15:46 <mattking> There are 2 incorrect references.
15:16:01 <mattking> Michael will close after fixing.
15:16:32 <mattking> action-1230
15:16:32 <trackbot> action-1230 -- Michael Cooper to Ask Director if we have to test every cell in the ARIA UAIG, or if we can just do the columns, and if the UIA column can be considered implementable by precedent from surrounding columns particularly UIA Express -- due 2013-06-19 -- OPEN
15:16:33 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1230
15:16:58 <Zakim> +James_Craig
15:16:58 <mattking> RESOLUTION: close 1230
15:17:10 <mattking> action-1278?
15:17:10 <trackbot> action-1278 -- Janina Sajka to Ask Steve to ask hans hillen if he can review compositing and blending level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/compositing-1/ -- due 2013-10-23 -- OPEN
15:17:10 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1278
15:17:30 <mattking> action-1271?
15:17:30 <trackbot> action-1271 -- Michael Cooper to Look at diff of uaig in past 1.5 years and figure out which changes might impact the test suite, then to work with joseph on updating tests -- due 2013-10-07 -- OPEN
15:17:30 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1271
15:17:43 <mattking> RS: is this OBE
15:17:57 <mattking> RESOLUTION: CLOSE 1271
15:18:08 <mattking> action-1275?
15:18:08 <trackbot> action-1275 -- Cynthia Shelly to Go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result. making a test file where missing would help. -- due 2013-10-22 -- OPEN
15:18:08 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1275
15:18:50 <mattking> Michael proposes we can close 1275-1277.
15:19:10 <mattking> RESOLUTION: close actions 1275, 1276, 12767
15:20:10 <mattking> action-1280?
15:20:10 <trackbot> action-1280 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Take a first pass at pulling aria core implementation out of aria uiag -- due 2013-10-25 -- OPEN
15:20:10 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1280
15:25:40 <MichaelC> close action-1188
15:25:40 <trackbot> Closed action-1188.
15:26:22 <mattking> RS: after discussion, agree to leave open for now.
15:26:31 <mattking> action-1282?
15:26:31 <trackbot> action-1282 -- James Craig to File html-aapi bug related to mapping native @autocomplete to @aria-autocomplete in strict vs weak semantics tables. -- due 2013-10-28 -- OPEN
15:26:31 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1282
15:27:40 <mattking> JC: will file now or close or both.
15:27:44 <mattking> action-1284?
15:27:44 <trackbot> action-1284 -- Cynthia Shelly to Start the conversation re keeping issue-616 feature in the spec on list, realizing it may go lc at risk. we need to determine what to do by next tuesday. -- due 2013-10-29 -- OPEN
15:27:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1284
15:28:02 <mattking> RS: waiting ... will leave open.
15:28:16 <mattking> TOPIC: ARIA open actions and issues
15:28:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/1
15:28:32 <mattking> issue-620?
15:28:33 <trackbot> issue-620 -- List live regions roles as a subsection of section 5.3 in spec -- open
15:28:33 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/620
15:29:20 <mattking> Joseph: would like to add a setion with a list of implicit live region roles. This is simply editorial.
15:30:04 <mattking> JC: this can be easily done for 1.1.
15:30:20 <mattking> RS: Putting in the 1.1 list.
15:30:35 <mattking> JC: let's create action.
15:31:07 <jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to List live regions roles as a subsection of section 5.3 in spec from ISSUE-620
15:31:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1291 - List live regions roles as a subsection of section 5.3 in spec from issue-620 [on James Craig - due 2013-11-11].
15:31:29 <jcraig> ACTION-1291?
15:31:29 <trackbot> ACTION-1291 -- James Craig to List live regions roles as a subsection of section 5.3 in spec from issue-620 -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
15:31:29 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1291
15:31:35 <mattking> issue-605?
15:31:35 <trackbot> issue-605 -- menuitem role does not allow use of aria-selected -- raised
15:31:35 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/605
15:31:37 <clown> issue-605?
15:31:37 <trackbot> issue-605 -- menuitem role does not allow use of aria-selected -- raised
15:31:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/605
15:33:25 <mattking> RS: propose to move to 1.1
15:33:47 <mattking> RESOLUTION: move to 1.1 list.
15:33:52 <mattking> issue-606?
15:33:52 <trackbot> issue-606 -- grid role does not allow aria-setsize or aria-posinset -- raised
15:33:52 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/606
15:34:31 <mattking> RS: Should this be 1.1? should it be on the grid role.
15:35:26 <mattking> RESOLUTION: moved to 1.1 list for consideration.
15:36:28 <mattking> Michael: looking at several editorial actions, including 1138. Michael will get these done in next month.
15:36:34 <mattking> action-1151?
15:36:34 <trackbot> action-1151 -- Michael Cooper to Create a flowchart or process diagram of the ARIA accessible name computation -- due 2013-01-28 -- OPEN
15:36:34 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1151
15:36:57 <mattking> RESOLUTION: postpone to aria 1.1.
15:37:05 <mattking> action-1218?
15:37:05 <trackbot> action-1218 -- James Craig to Add informative note to ARIA 1.0 that authors should not rely on rowgroup mappings on all platforms and therefore should not use additional attributes on an element with role rowgroup. -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
15:37:05 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1218
15:37:39 <mattking> JC: postpone to aria 1.1.
15:37:57 <Zakim> -James_Craig
15:38:06 <mattking> Janina: we will be doing a comprehensive 1.1 review and shorten that list later.
15:38:15 <MichaelC> close action-1138
15:38:15 <trackbot> Closed action-1138.
15:38:57 <clown> issue-522?
15:38:57 <trackbot> issue-522 -- Name Computation 2A - bullet 3 confusion -- open
15:38:57 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/522
15:39:57 <mattking> TOPIC: Calendaring expectations for next few months
15:40:24 <mattking> Janina: Janina and Michael will be out on 11th
15:40:42 <lisa_seeman> zakim, unmute me
15:40:42 <Zakim> Lisa_Seeman? was not muted, lisa_seeman
15:40:47 <mattking> Michael out on the 18th.
15:40:58 <mattking> following week is Thanks Giving in US
15:41:53 <mattking> CR interview with director right after last call expires on December 9th.
15:43:00 <Zakim> +James_Craig
15:43:07 <mattking> Around Jan 8, we will move aria 1.0 spec and uaig from CR to proposed recommendation.
15:49:16 <mattking> Janina: proposing a f2f on 1.1 list
15:49:48 <mattking> possibly in jan-march time frame. Eiterh in Toronto or at CSUN.
15:52:40 <mattking> Cancel meeting onNov 25.
15:58:02 <jcraig> q+
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16:02:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> a?
16:02:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:03:13 <clown> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality
16:03:23 <mattking> TOPIC: authoring practices status
16:03:29 <jcraig> Potentially need to request a new editor for authoring practicing guide. We need it to be rewritten by someone with experience developing modern JavaScript applications. Potentials: Todd Kloots (Twitter) or Scott Gonzalez (jQuery)
16:03:52 <mattking> Discussion of how APG can be updated in the time frame of proposed recommendation.
16:04:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: clown contact Scott Gonzalez about contributing to the authoring practices guide
16:04:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1292 - Contact scott gonzalez about contributing to the authoring practices guide [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-11-11].
16:04:34 <mattking> Joseph: described his experience at JQuery summet
16:04:54 <mattking> Discussed list of possible editors for APG.
16:05:26 <jcraig> ACTION-1292?
16:05:26 <trackbot> ACTION-1292 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Contact scott gonzalez about contributing to the authoring practices guide -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
16:05:26 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1292
16:06:25 <mattking> TOPIC: ARIA 1.1 issues and actions
16:06:35 <mattking> issue-398?
16:06:35 <trackbot> issue-398 -- Errata: aria-setsize and aria-posinset should apply to more than just listitem and option -- open
16:06:35 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398
16:06:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398
16:07:25 <mattking> RS: May be useful rows in grids
16:10:14 <mattking> JC: Referred to Dominic's comment regarding using colindex and rowindex instead on grids.
16:11:52 <clown> <span role="gridcell"  aria-colindex="5" aria-rowindex="3" …>
16:11:53 <clown> ?
16:12:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:14:19 <mattking> JC: purpose is to avoid overloading and possibly provide better mapping for table data providers
16:16:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: jcraig add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row
16:16:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1293 - Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row [on James Craig - due 2013-11-11].
16:16:08 <jcraig> ACTION-1293
16:16:08 <trackbot> ACTION-1293 -- James Craig to Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
16:16:08 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1293
16:18:43 <mattking> RS: do we need in menus? Do they get that large?
16:18:54 <mattking> JC: an example of large menu can be a color list.
16:20:11 <mattking> RS: we would also need action for UA to calculate values
16:20:31 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:20:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> ack jcraig
16:20:43 <jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to add aria-posinset and setsize to menuitem, etc.
16:20:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1294 - Add aria-posinset and setsize to menuitem, etc. [on James Craig - due 2013-11-11].
16:20:48 <jcraig> action-1294?
16:20:48 <trackbot> action-1294 -- James Craig to Add aria-posinset and setsize to menuitem, etc. -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
16:20:48 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1294
16:22:25 <mattking> Matt: do we need this on tab to support accordians that are large
16:24:01 <mattking> JC: Yes, tere are quite a few UIs where not all tabs are shown and there could be more than are displayed
16:24:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-setsize
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16:27:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/04-pf-minutes.html mattking
16:29:53 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
16:30:06 <mattking> zakim, bye
16:30:06 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, +1.541.678.aaaa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina, Michael_Cooper, Matt_King, Jon_Gunderson, Lisa_Seeman?, James_Craig
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16:30:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/04-pf-minutes.html mattking
16:35:54 <janina> http://www.w3.org/Guide/
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