IRC log of aapi on 2013-10-29

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RRSAgent, make logs member
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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM already started
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 29 October 2013
19:01:23 [janina]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 2274 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
19:01:25 [davidb]
Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
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2274#
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+??P6
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+Bryan_Garaventa
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+??P8
19:02:35 [clown]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see [Mozilla], ??P6, Bryan_Garaventa, ??P8
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zakim, mute P8
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sorry, clown, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P8
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zakim, mute ??P8
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??P8 should now be muted
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19:03:09 [janina]
You can't hear me now!
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+??P9
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zakim, ??P8 is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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+Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
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zakim, unumte Joseph_Scheuhammer
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I don't understand 'unumte Joseph_Scheuhammer', clown
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zakim, unmute Joseph_Scheuhammer
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Joseph_Scheuhammer should no longer be muted
19:03:59 [MichaelC]
zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
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+David_Bolter; got it
19:04:06 [clown]
zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:04:06 [Zakim]
ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:06:47 [janina]
scribe: janina
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0010.html
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chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:11:11 [janina]
agenda+ ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for
19:11:24 [janina]
zakim, take up item 1
19:11:24 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for" taken up [from janina]
19:11:51 [clown]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0010.html
19:11:56 [janina]
zakim, clear agenda
19:11:56 [Zakim]
agenda cleared
19:12:50 [janina]
agenda+ ACTION-1263: (All) WebKit has replaced AXARIABusy with
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AXElementBusy; update UAIG? Tests would need same modifications.
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agenda+ ACTION-1285: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIA and UIA mapping of aria-posinset
19:12:50 [janina]
in AriaProperties, not LegacyIAccessible.Description. Or both?
19:12:52 [janina]
agenda+ ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for
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action-1263?
19:12:54 [trackbot]
action-1263 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to AXARIABusy is probably going to change to something less ARIA-specific, like AXBusy or AXElementBusy -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
19:12:54 [trackbot]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1263
19:12:55 [janina]
UAIG. Let's try to finish the test cases during the meeting.
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agenda+ Issues/Actions review/triage:
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[17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
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agenda+ Bugzilla review:
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[18]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=ARIA&component=Platform%20APIs&list_id=3116
19:13:06 [davidb]
cynthia's ETA is 5 mins from now
19:13:08 [janina]
zakim, take up item 1
19:13:08 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "ACTION-1263: (All) WebKit has replaced AXARIABusy with" taken up [from janina]
19:13:12 [clown]
action-1263?
19:13:13 [trackbot]
action-1263 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to AXARIABusy is probably going to change to something less ARIA-specific, like AXBusy or AXElementBusy -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1263
19:13:47 [janina]
clown: Ax ARIA-Busy is going to change, according to JC
19:14:48 [janina]
clown: JC OK whether we change this in 1.1 or 1.0
19:14:53 [janina]
clown: Prefer to do it now
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[agreement to do it in 1.1]
19:16:50 [davidb]
(+1 for living document!)
19:18:26 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "ACTION-1285: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIA and UIA mapping of aria-posinset" taken up [from janina]
19:18:39 [janina]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for [from janina]
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zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3. "ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for" taken up [from janina]
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#User_Agent_Implementation_Guide_Testable_Statements
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+[Microsoft]
19:20:46 [janina]
db: Haven't added any
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mc: Because there were no issues?
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mc: Q is whether our tests are comprehensive
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db: Think so
19:23:16 [MichaelC]
currently we have test cases 42, 43, 44, 103
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clown: Believe I did these this morning!
19:24:33 [clown]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=62
19:25:29 [davidb]
nice
19:26:28 [janina]
db: So, we only need to make sure this now maps to the guide
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clown: So believe bullet 7 no longer matters
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Zakim, Microsoft has me
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+cyns; got it
19:27:30 [janina]
mc: Q: Anything in this section not covered in those 4 test cases?
19:28:36 [davidb]
discussing guide 5.1.2 6 bullets:
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mc Believe, and should be verified, bullet 1 is test 103
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mc 2 is 42
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mc 3 is 43
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mc: 4 is 44
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clown: 6 is covered by 62-66
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js: leaves 5 what coveres 5
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db: Implicitly sprinkled throughout
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clown: Suppose we should have a test with "hidden=true"
19:31:45 [janina]
clown: Certainly have an entire section on globals
19:31:53 [Zakim]
-Joseph_Scheuhammer
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=1
19:33:15 [Zakim]
+[GVoice]
19:33:37 [clown]
zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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+Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:34:23 [janina]
clown: From 75-157 is a series of elements including global state & prop -- maybe not all, but lots
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clown: Oops 74-157
19:34:35 [Zakim]
+Cooper
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-Michael_Cooper
19:37:31 [janina]
db: Don't see anything that will cause UAIG edit
19:37:38 [davidb]
famous last words
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+Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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19:38:58 [janina]
db: Could do another test to be even more certain of the globals, zakim, close this item
19:39:01 [janina]
zakim, take up item 2
19:39:01 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "ACTION-1285: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIA and UIA mapping of aria-posinset" taken up [from janina]
19:39:07 [clown]
action-1285?
19:39:07 [trackbot]
action-1285 -- Shane McCarron to Review w3c html ruby markup extensions http://www.w3.org/tr/html-ruby-extensions/ -- due 2013-10-30 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1285
19:39:56 [clown]
action-1286?
19:39:56 [trackbot]
action-1286 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Change the msaa+uia and uia mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in ariaproperties. -- due 2013-11-04 -- OPEN
19:39:56 [trackbot]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1286
19:43:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=346
19:46:24 [janina]
zakim, mute michael
19:46:24 [Zakim]
sorry, janina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to michael
19:46:38 [clown]
zakim, who's here?
19:46:38 [Zakim]
On the phone I see David_Bolter, Janina_Sajka, Bryan_Garaventa, [Microsoft], Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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[Microsoft] has cyns
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On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, cyns, bgaraventa1979, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, MichaelC, clown, davidb, trackbot
19:46:42 [janina]
zakim, mute cooper
19:46:42 [Zakim]
Cooper should now be muted
19:46:52 [janina]
zakim, unmute cooper
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Cooper should no longer be muted
19:48:16 [janina]
cyns: can confirm not in the description any longer
19:48:38 [janina]
cyns: suggest taking legacy description stuff out
19:48:50 [janina]
cyns: just aria-properties
19:48:59 [janina]
cyns: descript to a "may"
19:51:19 [janina]
cyns: ditto for uia, but without the "may"
19:51:35 [davidb]
gotta run
19:51:37 [Zakim]
-David_Bolter
19:52:39 [janina]
clown: will get this done
19:53:04 [janina]
topic: test case 74
19:53:38 [janina]
rs: supposed to get remove followed by insert
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rs: we get several rounds of removal and insertion
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js: suggests this comes under "we don't care about sequencing"
19:55:41 [clown]
IAccessible2: IA2_EVENT_TEXT_REMOVE followed immediately by IA2_EVENT_TEXT_INSERTED
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Change to: IAccessible2: IA2_EVENT_TEXT_REMOVE and by IA2_EVENT_TEXT_INSERTED.
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Change to: IAccessible2: IA2_EVENT_TEXT_REMOVE and IA2_EVENT_TEXT_INSERTED.
19:58:37 [clown]
action: Joseph to change section 5.8.2, first table for "When text is changed" row: remove sequencing from MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI columns.
19:58:37 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1288 - Change section 5.8.2, first table for "when text is changed" row: remove sequencing from msaa+ia2 and atk/at-spi columns. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-11-05].
19:58:58 [richardschwerdtfeger]
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test74.html
20:03:30 [janina]
zakim, who's noisy?
20:03:41 [Zakim]
janina, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joseph_Scheuhammer (57%), [Microsoft] (56%)
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zakim, who's noisy?
20:04:01 [Zakim]
janina, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joseph_Scheuhammer (54%), [Microsoft] (69%)
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zakim, mute cyns
20:04:19 [Zakim]
sorry, janina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to cyns
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zakim, mute microsoft
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[Microsoft] should now be muted
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zakim, unmute microsoft
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[Microsoft] should no longer be muted
20:09:58 [janina]
topic: test 92
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clown: currently discussion in email
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rs: passes
20:11:36 [janina]
clown: we had emails on 90-92
20:17:41 [Zakim]
-[Microsoft]
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-Janina_Sajka
20:21:34 [janina]
Comcast just failed me!
20:22:19 [janina]
Still no sip connection ...
20:22:57 [janina]
Ah, can't get back in. "Conference is restricted at this time."
20:23:16 [janina]
rrsagent, make minutes
20:23:16 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-aapi-minutes.html janina
20:23:36 [janina]
Joseph, should I post as is? Anything to add?
20:24:34 [janina]
OK!
20:28:04 [janina]
You're most welcome. Minutes posted.
20:28:24 [janina]
And, I'm serious about chocolate. Have you tasted Michael's?
20:28:32 [janina]
It's yum
20:28:58 [bgaraventa1979]
got to head out, have a great day guys :)
20:29:05 [clown]
thanks bgaraventa1979
20:29:21 [Zakim]
-Joseph_Scheuhammer
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-Bryan_Garaventa
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bye all...
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-Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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-Cooper
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WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Bryan_Garaventa, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Janina_Sajka, David_Bolter, cyns, Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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