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19:01:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs member
19:01:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
19:01:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM already started
19:01:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:01:15 <trackbot> Date: 29 October 2013
19:01:23 <janina> zakim, code?
19:01:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 2274 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
19:01:25 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
19:01:53 <janina> 2274#
19:02:05 <Zakim> +??P6
19:02:10 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa
19:02:13 <Zakim> +??P8
19:02:35 <clown> zakim, who is on the phone?
19:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Mozilla], ??P6, Bryan_Garaventa, ??P8
19:02:52 <clown> zakim, mute P8
19:02:52 <Zakim> sorry, clown, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P8
19:02:59 <clown> zakim, mute ??P8
19:02:59 <Zakim> ??P8 should now be muted
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19:03:09 <janina> You can't hear me now!
19:03:17 <Zakim> +??P9
19:03:36 <clown> zakim, ??P8 is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:03:36 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:03:47 <clown> zakim, unumte Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:03:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unumte Joseph_Scheuhammer', clown
19:03:55 <clown> zakim, unmute Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:03:55 <Zakim> Joseph_Scheuhammer should no longer be muted
19:03:59 <MichaelC> zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
19:03:59 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
19:04:06 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:04:06 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:06:47 <janina> scribe: janina
19:08:39 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0010.html
19:08:48 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:09:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:11:11 <janina> agenda+ ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for
19:11:24 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
19:11:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for" taken up [from janina]
19:11:51 <clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0010.html
19:11:56 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
19:11:56 <Zakim> agenda cleared
19:12:50 <janina> agenda+ ACTION-1263: (All) WebKit has replaced AXARIABusy with
19:12:50 <janina> AXElementBusy; update UAIG?  Tests would need same modifications.
19:12:50 <janina> agenda+ ACTION-1285: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIA and UIA mapping of aria-posinset
19:12:50 <janina> in AriaProperties, not LegacyIAccessible.Description. Or both?
19:12:52 <janina> agenda+ ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for
19:12:54 <clown> action-1263?
19:12:54 <trackbot> action-1263 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to AXARIABusy is probably going to change to something less ARIA-specific, like AXBusy or AXElementBusy -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
19:12:54 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1263
19:12:55 <janina> UAIG.  Let's try to finish the test cases during the meeting.
19:12:57 <janina> agenda+ Issues/Actions review/triage:
19:13:00 <janina> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
19:13:02 <janina> agenda+ Bugzilla review:
19:13:05 <janina> [18]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=ARIA&component=Platform%20APIs&list_id=3116
19:13:06 <davidb> cynthia's ETA is 5 mins from now
19:13:08 <janina>  zakim, take up item 1
19:13:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ACTION-1263: (All) WebKit has replaced AXARIABusy with" taken up [from janina]
19:13:12 <clown> action-1263?
19:13:13 <trackbot> action-1263 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to AXARIABusy is probably going to change to something less ARIA-specific, like AXBusy or AXElementBusy -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
19:13:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1263
19:13:47 <janina> clown: Ax ARIA-Busy is going to change, according to JC
19:14:48 <janina> clown: JC OK whether we change this in 1.1 or 1.0
19:14:53 <janina> clown: Prefer to do it now
19:15:44 <janina> [agreement to do it in 1.1]
19:16:50 <davidb> (+1 for living document!)
19:18:26 <janina> zakim, next item
19:18:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-1285: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIA and UIA mapping of aria-posinset" taken up [from janina]
19:18:39 <janina> zakim, close this item
19:18:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
19:18:40 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:18:40 <Zakim> 3. ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for [from janina]
19:18:43 <janina> zakim, take up item 3
19:18:43 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for" taken up [from janina]
19:19:40 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#User_Agent_Implementation_Guide_Testable_Statements
19:20:04 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:20:46 <janina> db: Haven't added any
19:20:53 <janina> mc: Because there were no issues?
19:21:19 <janina> mc: Q is whether our tests are comprehensive
19:21:32 <janina> db: Think so
19:23:16 <MichaelC> currently we have test cases 42, 43, 44, 103
19:24:16 <janina> clown: Believe I did these this morning!
19:24:33 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=62
19:25:29 <davidb> nice
19:26:28 <janina> db: So, we only need to make sure this now maps to the guide
19:26:40 <janina> clown: So believe bullet 7 no longer matters
19:26:50 <cyns> cyns has joined #aapi
19:26:58 <cyns> Zakim, Microsoft has me
19:26:58 <Zakim> +cyns; got it
19:27:30 <janina> mc: Q: Anything in this section not covered in those 4 test cases?
19:28:36 <davidb> discussing guide 5.1.2 6 bullets:
19:29:17 <janina> mc Believe, and should be verified, bullet 1 is test 103
19:29:21 <janina> mc 2 is 42
19:29:25 <janina> mc 3 is 43
19:29:30 <janina> mc: 4 is 44
19:30:01 <janina> clown: 6 is covered by 62-66
19:30:20 <janina> js: leaves 5 what coveres 5
19:30:39 <janina> db: Implicitly sprinkled throughout
19:31:16 <janina> clown: Suppose we should have a test with "hidden=true"
19:31:45 <janina> clown: Certainly have an entire section on globals
19:31:53 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:31:54 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=1
19:33:15 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
19:33:37 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:33:37 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:34:23 <janina> clown: From 75-157 is a series of elements including global state & prop -- maybe not all, but lots
19:34:35 <janina> clown: Oops 74-157
19:34:35 <Zakim> +Cooper
19:34:41 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
19:37:31 <janina> db: Don't see anything that will cause UAIG edit
19:37:38 <davidb> famous last words
19:37:52 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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19:38:58 <janina> db: Could do another test to be even more certain of the globals, zakim, close this item
19:39:01 <janina> zakim, take up item 2
19:39:01 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-1285: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIA and UIA mapping of aria-posinset" taken up [from janina]
19:39:07 <clown> action-1285?
19:39:07 <trackbot> action-1285 -- Shane McCarron to Review w3c html ruby markup extensions http://www.w3.org/tr/html-ruby-extensions/ -- due 2013-10-30 -- OPEN
19:39:07 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1285
19:39:56 <clown> action-1286?
19:39:56 <trackbot> action-1286 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Change the msaa+uia and uia mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in ariaproperties. -- due 2013-11-04 -- OPEN
19:39:56 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1286
19:43:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=346
19:46:24 <janina> zakim, mute michael
19:46:24 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to michael
19:46:38 <clown> zakim, who's here?
19:46:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_Bolter, Janina_Sajka, Bryan_Garaventa, [Microsoft], Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:46:40 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has cyns
19:46:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, cyns, bgaraventa1979, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, MichaelC, clown, davidb, trackbot
19:46:42 <janina> zakim, mute cooper
19:46:42 <Zakim> Cooper should now be muted
19:46:52 <janina> zakim, unmute cooper
19:46:53 <Zakim> Cooper should no longer be muted
19:48:16 <janina> cyns: can confirm not in the description any longer
19:48:38 <janina> cyns: suggest taking legacy description stuff out
19:48:50 <janina> cyns: just aria-properties
19:48:59 <janina> cyns: descript to a "may"
19:51:19 <janina> cyns: ditto for uia, but without the "may"
19:51:35 <davidb> gotta run
19:51:37 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
19:52:39 <janina> clown: will get this done
19:53:04 <janina> topic: test case 74
19:53:38 <janina> rs: supposed to get remove followed by insert
19:54:41 <janina> rs: we get several rounds of removal and insertion
19:55:41 <janina> js: suggests this comes under "we don't care about sequencing"
19:55:41 <clown> IAccessible2: IA2_EVENT_TEXT_REMOVE followed immediately by IA2_EVENT_TEXT_INSERTED
19:55:52 <clown> Change to:  IAccessible2: IA2_EVENT_TEXT_REMOVE and by IA2_EVENT_TEXT_INSERTED.
19:56:16 <clown> Change to:  IAccessible2: IA2_EVENT_TEXT_REMOVE and IA2_EVENT_TEXT_INSERTED.
19:58:37 <clown> action:  Joseph to change section 5.8.2, first table for "When text is changed" row:  remove sequencing from MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI columns.
19:58:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1288 - Change section 5.8.2, first table for "when text is changed" row:  remove sequencing from msaa+ia2 and atk/at-spi columns. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-11-05].
19:58:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test74.html
20:03:30 <janina> zakim, who's noisy?
20:03:41 <Zakim> janina, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joseph_Scheuhammer (57%), [Microsoft] (56%)
20:03:50 <janina> zakim, who's noisy?
20:04:01 <Zakim> janina, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joseph_Scheuhammer (54%), [Microsoft] (69%)
20:04:19 <janina> zakim, mute cyns
20:04:19 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to cyns
20:04:28 <janina> zakim, mute microsoft
20:04:28 <Zakim> [Microsoft] should now be muted
20:04:34 <janina> zakim, unmute microsoft
20:04:34 <Zakim> [Microsoft] should no longer be muted
20:09:58 <janina> topic: test 92
20:10:08 <janina> clown: currently discussion in email
20:11:23 <janina> rs: passes
20:11:36 <janina> clown: we had emails on 90-92
20:17:41 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:21:05 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
20:21:34 <janina> Comcast just failed me!
20:22:19 <janina> Still no sip connection ...
20:22:57 <janina> Ah, can't get back in. "Conference is restricted at this time."
20:23:16 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
20:23:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-aapi-minutes.html janina
20:23:36 <janina> Joseph, should I post as is? Anything to add?
20:24:34 <janina> OK!
20:28:04 <janina> You're most welcome. Minutes posted.
20:28:24 <janina> And, I'm serious about chocolate. Have you tasted Michael's?
20:28:32 <janina> It's yum
20:28:58 <bgaraventa1979> got to head out, have a great day guys :)
20:29:05 <clown> thanks bgaraventa1979
20:29:21 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:29:25 <Zakim> -Bryan_Garaventa
20:29:27 <clown> bye all...
20:30:57 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
20:31:01 <Zakim> -Cooper
20:31:02 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has ended
20:31:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Bryan_Garaventa, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Janina_Sajka, David_Bolter, cyns, Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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