IRC log of aapi on 2013-10-29
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-aapi-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs member
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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- ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM already started
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- Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 29 October 2013
- 19:01:23 [janina]
- zakim, code?
- 19:01:23 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 2274 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
- 19:01:25 [davidb]
- Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
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- 2274#
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- +??P6
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- +Bryan_Garaventa
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- +??P8
- 19:02:35 [clown]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 19:02:35 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Mozilla], ??P6, Bryan_Garaventa, ??P8
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- zakim, mute P8
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- sorry, clown, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P8
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- zakim, mute ??P8
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- ??P8 should now be muted
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- 19:03:09 [janina]
- You can't hear me now!
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- +??P9
- 19:03:36 [clown]
- zakim, ??P8 is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
- 19:03:47 [clown]
- zakim, unumte Joseph_Scheuhammer
- 19:03:47 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'unumte Joseph_Scheuhammer', clown
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- zakim, unmute Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- Joseph_Scheuhammer should no longer be muted
- 19:03:59 [MichaelC]
- zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
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- +David_Bolter; got it
- 19:04:06 [clown]
- zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
- 19:04:06 [Zakim]
- ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
- 19:06:47 [janina]
- scribe: janina
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0010.html
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- chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
- 19:09:02 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-aapi-minutes.html clown
- 19:11:11 [janina]
- agenda+ ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for
- 19:11:24 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 19:11:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for" taken up [from janina]
- 19:11:51 [clown]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0010.html
- 19:11:56 [janina]
- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
- 19:12:50 [janina]
- agenda+ ACTION-1263: (All) WebKit has replaced AXARIABusy with
- 19:12:50 [janina]
- AXElementBusy; update UAIG? Tests would need same modifications.
- 19:12:50 [janina]
- agenda+ ACTION-1285: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIA and UIA mapping of aria-posinset
- 19:12:50 [janina]
- in AriaProperties, not LegacyIAccessible.Description. Or both?
- 19:12:52 [janina]
- agenda+ ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for
- 19:12:54 [clown]
- action-1263?
- 19:12:54 [trackbot]
- action-1263 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to AXARIABusy is probably going to change to something less ARIA-specific, like AXBusy or AXElementBusy -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
- 19:12:54 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1263
- 19:12:55 [janina]
- UAIG. Let's try to finish the test cases during the meeting.
- 19:12:57 [janina]
- agenda+ Issues/Actions review/triage:
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- [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
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- agenda+ Bugzilla review:
- 19:13:05 [janina]
- [18]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=ARIA&component=Platform%20APIs&list_id=3116
- 19:13:06 [davidb]
- cynthia's ETA is 5 mins from now
- 19:13:08 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 19:13:08 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "ACTION-1263: (All) WebKit has replaced AXARIABusy with" taken up [from janina]
- 19:13:12 [clown]
- action-1263?
- 19:13:13 [trackbot]
- action-1263 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to AXARIABusy is probably going to change to something less ARIA-specific, like AXBusy or AXElementBusy -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
- 19:13:13 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1263
- 19:13:47 [janina]
- clown: Ax ARIA-Busy is going to change, according to JC
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- clown: JC OK whether we change this in 1.1 or 1.0
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- clown: Prefer to do it now
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- [agreement to do it in 1.1]
- 19:16:50 [davidb]
- (+1 for living document!)
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "ACTION-1285: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIA and UIA mapping of aria-posinset" taken up [from janina]
- 19:18:39 [janina]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
- 19:18:40 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 19:18:40 [Zakim]
- 3. ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for [from janina]
- 19:18:43 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 3
- 19:18:43 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "ACTION-1275, ACTION-1276, ACTION-1277 (All) Test cases for" taken up [from janina]
- 19:19:40 [clown]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#User_Agent_Implementation_Guide_Testable_Statements
- 19:20:04 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 19:20:46 [janina]
- db: Haven't added any
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- mc: Because there were no issues?
- 19:21:19 [janina]
- mc: Q is whether our tests are comprehensive
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- db: Think so
- 19:23:16 [MichaelC]
- currently we have test cases 42, 43, 44, 103
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- clown: Believe I did these this morning!
- 19:24:33 [clown]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=62
- 19:25:29 [davidb]
- nice
- 19:26:28 [janina]
- db: So, we only need to make sure this now maps to the guide
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- clown: So believe bullet 7 no longer matters
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- Zakim, Microsoft has me
- 19:26:58 [Zakim]
- +cyns; got it
- 19:27:30 [janina]
- mc: Q: Anything in this section not covered in those 4 test cases?
- 19:28:36 [davidb]
- discussing guide 5.1.2 6 bullets:
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- mc Believe, and should be verified, bullet 1 is test 103
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- mc 2 is 42
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- mc 3 is 43
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- mc: 4 is 44
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- clown: 6 is covered by 62-66
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- js: leaves 5 what coveres 5
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- db: Implicitly sprinkled throughout
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- clown: Suppose we should have a test with "hidden=true"
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- clown: Certainly have an entire section on globals
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- -Joseph_Scheuhammer
- 19:31:54 [clown]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=1
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- +[GVoice]
- 19:33:37 [clown]
- zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
- 19:34:23 [janina]
- clown: From 75-157 is a series of elements including global state & prop -- maybe not all, but lots
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- clown: Oops 74-157
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- +Cooper
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- -Michael_Cooper
- 19:37:31 [janina]
- db: Don't see anything that will cause UAIG edit
- 19:37:38 [davidb]
- famous last words
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- +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- 19:38:58 [janina]
- db: Could do another test to be even more certain of the globals, zakim, close this item
- 19:39:01 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 19:39:01 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "ACTION-1285: (Cynthia) MSAA+UIA and UIA mapping of aria-posinset" taken up [from janina]
- 19:39:07 [clown]
- action-1285?
- 19:39:07 [trackbot]
- action-1285 -- Shane McCarron to Review w3c html ruby markup extensions http://www.w3.org/tr/html-ruby-extensions/ -- due 2013-10-30 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1285
- 19:39:56 [clown]
- action-1286?
- 19:39:56 [trackbot]
- action-1286 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Change the msaa+uia and uia mappings of aria-posinset to (word smith): expose in ariaproperties. -- due 2013-11-04 -- OPEN
- 19:39:56 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1286
- 19:43:40 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=346
- 19:46:24 [janina]
- zakim, mute michael
- 19:46:24 [Zakim]
- sorry, janina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to michael
- 19:46:38 [clown]
- zakim, who's here?
- 19:46:38 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David_Bolter, Janina_Sajka, Bryan_Garaventa, [Microsoft], Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
- 19:46:40 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] has cyns
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- On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, cyns, bgaraventa1979, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, MichaelC, clown, davidb, trackbot
- 19:46:42 [janina]
- zakim, mute cooper
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- Cooper should now be muted
- 19:46:52 [janina]
- zakim, unmute cooper
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- Cooper should no longer be muted
- 19:48:16 [janina]
- cyns: can confirm not in the description any longer
- 19:48:38 [janina]
- cyns: suggest taking legacy description stuff out
- 19:48:50 [janina]
- cyns: just aria-properties
- 19:48:59 [janina]
- cyns: descript to a "may"
- 19:51:19 [janina]
- cyns: ditto for uia, but without the "may"
- 19:51:35 [davidb]
- gotta run
- 19:51:37 [Zakim]
- -David_Bolter
- 19:52:39 [janina]
- clown: will get this done
- 19:53:04 [janina]
- topic: test case 74
- 19:53:38 [janina]
- rs: supposed to get remove followed by insert
- 19:54:41 [janina]
- rs: we get several rounds of removal and insertion
- 19:55:41 [janina]
- js: suggests this comes under "we don't care about sequencing"
- 19:55:41 [clown]
- IAccessible2: IA2_EVENT_TEXT_REMOVE followed immediately by IA2_EVENT_TEXT_INSERTED
- 19:55:52 [clown]
- Change to: IAccessible2: IA2_EVENT_TEXT_REMOVE and by IA2_EVENT_TEXT_INSERTED.
- 19:56:16 [clown]
- Change to: IAccessible2: IA2_EVENT_TEXT_REMOVE and IA2_EVENT_TEXT_INSERTED.
- 19:58:37 [clown]
- action: Joseph to change section 5.8.2, first table for "When text is changed" row: remove sequencing from MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI columns.
- 19:58:37 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1288 - Change section 5.8.2, first table for "when text is changed" row: remove sequencing from msaa+ia2 and atk/at-spi columns. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-11-05].
- 19:58:58 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test74.html
- 20:03:30 [janina]
- zakim, who's noisy?
- 20:03:41 [Zakim]
- janina, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joseph_Scheuhammer (57%), [Microsoft] (56%)
- 20:03:50 [janina]
- zakim, who's noisy?
- 20:04:01 [Zakim]
- janina, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Joseph_Scheuhammer (54%), [Microsoft] (69%)
- 20:04:19 [janina]
- zakim, mute cyns
- 20:04:19 [Zakim]
- sorry, janina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to cyns
- 20:04:28 [janina]
- zakim, mute microsoft
- 20:04:28 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] should now be muted
- 20:04:34 [janina]
- zakim, unmute microsoft
- 20:04:34 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] should no longer be muted
- 20:09:58 [janina]
- topic: test 92
- 20:10:08 [janina]
- clown: currently discussion in email
- 20:11:23 [janina]
- rs: passes
- 20:11:36 [janina]
- clown: we had emails on 90-92
- 20:17:41 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 20:21:05 [Zakim]
- -Janina_Sajka
- 20:21:34 [janina]
- Comcast just failed me!
- 20:22:19 [janina]
- Still no sip connection ...
- 20:22:57 [janina]
- Ah, can't get back in. "Conference is restricted at this time."
- 20:23:16 [janina]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 20:23:16 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-aapi-minutes.html janina
- 20:23:36 [janina]
- Joseph, should I post as is? Anything to add?
- 20:24:34 [janina]
- OK!
- 20:28:04 [janina]
- You're most welcome. Minutes posted.
- 20:28:24 [janina]
- And, I'm serious about chocolate. Have you tasted Michael's?
- 20:28:32 [janina]
- It's yum
- 20:28:58 [bgaraventa1979]
- got to head out, have a great day guys :)
- 20:29:05 [clown]
- thanks bgaraventa1979
- 20:29:21 [Zakim]
- -Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- -Bryan_Garaventa
- 20:29:27 [clown]
- bye all...
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- -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- -Cooper
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- WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Bryan_Garaventa, Michael_Cooper, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Janina_Sajka, David_Bolter, cyns, Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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