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19:00:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
19:00:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM already started
19:00:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:00:23 <trackbot> Date: 22 October 2013
19:00:34 <janina> janina has joined #aapi
19:00:46 <janina> zakim, code?
19:00:46 <Zakim> the conference code is 2274 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
19:00:52 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
19:01:01 <clown> zakim GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:01:06 <Zakim> +??P7
19:01:07 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:01:07 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:01:16 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:01:16 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:01:29 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
19:01:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P5, Joseph_Scheuhammer, ??P7
19:01:32 <clown> rrsagent, make log public
19:01:40 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:01:56 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
19:02:24 <clown> zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
19:02:24 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
19:02:39 <clown> davidb, I can hear you.
19:03:09 <janina> zakim, ??P7 is me
19:03:09 <Zakim> +janina; got it
19:03:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/22-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:03:32 <Zakim> +??P9
19:03:44 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
19:03:44 <Zakim> sorry, davidb, I do not recognize a party named 'Mozilla'
19:04:38 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P5 Bryan_Garaventa
19:04:38 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P5 Bryan_Garaventa', MichaelC
19:04:45 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P5 is Bryan_Garaventa
19:04:45 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa; got it
19:05:23 <janina> scribe: janina
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19:06:39 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:06:49 <cyns> Zakim, Microsoft has me
19:06:49 <Zakim> +cyns; got it
19:07:51 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0006.html
19:08:59 <janina> topic: Issue-612
19:09:00 <clown> issue-612?
19:09:00 <trackbot> issue-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position. should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain. see uaig: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position and test case 69: https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes -- open
19:09:01 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
19:10:00 <MichaelC> zakim, mute david
19:10:00 <Zakim> David_Bolter should now be muted
19:10:03 <janina> zakim, mute ??P5
19:10:03 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P5
19:10:10 <MichaelC> zakim, mute bryan
19:10:10 <Zakim> Bryan_Garaventa should now be muted
19:10:14 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute david
19:10:14 <Zakim> David_Bolter should no longer be muted
19:10:33 <clown> "If aria-level is not provided or inherited for an element of role treeitem, user agents implementing IAccessible2 or ATK/AT-SPI MUST compute it by following the explicit or computed RELATION_NODE_CHILD_OF relations."
19:10:52 <janina> db: Suggests we remove, or remove the 'must'
19:11:22 <davidb> +1 to remove
19:11:38 <janina> clown: Any objections?
19:11:46 <janina> clown: to removal?
19:11:50 <janina> [crickets]
19:12:46 <janina> RESOLUTION: Remove this sentence beginning: "If ARIA-Level is not provided ..."
19:13:03 <janina> topic: Issue-616
19:13:11 <clown> issue-616?
19:13:11 <trackbot> issue-616 -- ISSUE: Review potentially at-risk statement "When the user triggers an element with a defined activation behavior in a manner other than clicking it, such as by pressing Enter, simulate a click on the element." -- open
19:13:11 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/616
19:13:38 <janina> clown: Monday ARIA discussion suggested removing this from UAIG
19:14:06 <clown> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#interactive-content
19:14:06 <janina> clown: HTML 5 has the same requirement, except that H is specific to elements
19:14:46 <janina> clown: We tested an onclick on a div; this doesn't work but an anchor does
19:16:05 <clown> <div role="link" onclick="…">Hi there</div>
19:16:39 <janina> ack brian
19:16:45 <janina> ack bryan
19:16:57 <davidb> i don't recall a 'click in progress' flag
19:19:54 <janina> [we're unclear how interoperable this is yet, though we agree we want it everywhere]
19:22:54 <janina> cyns: Leary of removing this because it seems we'd be losing ground on this discussion
19:23:20 <janina> mc: We already have it in tracker, and not having two implementations holds us back from finishing 1.0
19:23:39 <janina> cyns: Mark at risk?
19:23:42 <janina> mc: OK by me
19:24:44 <janina> cyns: I'd prefer
19:25:13 <janina> mc: Concerned not all of us are OK
19:27:19 <janina> db: Tend to agree with James to remove
19:27:40 <clown> zakim, mute bryan
19:27:40 <Zakim> Bryan_Garaventa should now be muted
19:28:16 <davidb> note what I care about is that we simple agree to implement what is needed - less concerned about what spec and version
19:29:03 <janina> js: Suggest week's discussion on list, pro and con keeping this, possibly as at risk
19:29:44 <janina> cyns: Will start that at your request
19:33:55 <janina> action: Cyns to start the conversation re keeping Issue-616 feature in the spec on list, realizing it may go LC at risk. We need to determine what to do by next Tuesday.
19:33:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1284 - Start the conversation re keeping issue-616 feature in the spec on list, realizing it may go lc at risk. we need to determine what to do by next tuesday. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-10-29].
19:34:29 <janina> topIssue-564
19:34:43 <clown> issue-564?
19:34:43 <trackbot> issue-564 -- ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT is not used role="heading" -- open
19:34:43 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/564
19:35:34 <janina> clown: suggested removal
19:35:40 <janina> cyns: Doesn't ff have a bug on this?
19:35:42 <janina> db: yes
19:35:59 <janina> db: Do believe we were going to remove, however
19:36:27 <janina> clown: Which would change expected result to "examine IA2 role"
19:36:44 <janina> db: Confirmed with several AT, but not all, that OK to remove
19:36:54 <janina> db: Shouldn't break anything
19:37:30 <janina> [general agreement to remove]
19:38:30 <janina> topic: test cases
19:38:52 <janina> clown: have to written, run, and any changes needed in uaig completed to keep LC on track
19:39:03 <janina> js: Else we slip a calendar quarter
19:39:17 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#include_elements
19:39:23 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#include_elements
19:39:57 <janina> mc: Bullet 2 seems covered
19:40:03 <janina> mc: ditto 3
19:40:10 <janina> mc: 4 has test cases already
19:40:36 <janina> mc: so now we have 3 to go, but only in the spec ... !!
19:40:56 <janina> s/only in/only 2 in/
19:41:05 <clown> "Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another element via a WAI-ARIA relation"
19:43:04 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#include_elements
19:45:03 <janina> js: Pointing out this isn't holding up LC. We're confident this is OK
19:45:18 <clown> "Elements that have a global WAI-ARIA attribute but do not have aria-hidden="true".
19:45:27 <janina> db: Also a slam dunk
19:45:40 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
19:46:19 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#mapping_additional_position
19:51:11 <janina> [discussing tests 69 and 71, relevant?]
19:51:35 <janina> [discussion to remove owns]
19:52:06 <clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499917
19:52:53 <janina> [agreement to remove]
19:54:54 <janina> [agreement to add Issue-612 to ARIA-1.1]
19:56:44 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
19:58:10 <clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17716
20:00:17 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
20:00:29 <Zakim> -Bryan_Garaventa
20:01:01 <janina> zakim, bye
20:01:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, janina, Michael_Cooper, Bryan_Garaventa, cyns
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20:01:07 <janina> zakim, make minutes
20:01:16 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
20:01:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/22-aapi-minutes.html janina
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