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19:00:58 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
19:00:58 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start now
19:00:59 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:00:59 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2013
19:01:11 <clown> rrsagent, make log public
19:01:15 <janina> Argh, Zakim saying 2274# not valid
19:01:54 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
19:01:55 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
19:02:06 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
19:02:07 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:02:07 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:02:07 <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
19:02:08 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
19:02:16 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:02:16 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:02:23 <Zakim> +??P2
19:02:24 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
19:02:25 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
19:02:37 <Zakim> +??P3
19:02:43 <clown> zakim, ??P2 is Janina_Sajka
19:02:43 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
19:03:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> richardschwerdtfeger has joined #aapi
19:04:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
19:04:11 <MichaelC> zakim, Ipcaller is Rich_Schwerdtfeger
19:04:11 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger; got it
19:04:26 <janina> scribe: janina
19:05:18 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Oct/0004.html
19:06:41 <MichaelC> agenda+ Issues/Actions:
19:06:41 <MichaelC> agenda+ ACTION-1255 (Cynthia) Look into toggle patterns and how that
19:06:41 <MichaelC> needs to be modified in the UAIG.
19:06:41 <MichaelC> agenda+ ISSUE-612 (David) Review ia2/atk rule in group position. Should
19:06:41 <MichaelC> this really determine level based on aria-owns chain?
19:06:42 <MichaelC> agenda+ ACTION-1262 (All)  Review edits.
19:06:43 <Zakim> + +1.415.624.aaaa
19:06:44 <MichaelC> agenda+ ACTION-1269 (All)  Review edits.
19:06:46 <MichaelC> agenda+ UAIG testable statements (All):
19:06:48 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#User_Agent_Implementation_Guide_Testable_Statements
19:06:51 <MichaelC> agenda+ ACTION-1175/ISSUE-564 (David) Status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in
19:06:53 <MichaelC> MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading. Any change to UAIG?
19:06:55 <MichaelC> agenda+ Issues/Actions review/triage:
19:06:57 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
19:07:01 <MichaelC> agenda+ Bugzilla review:
19:07:03 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=ARIA&component=Platform%20APIs&list_id=3116
19:07:03 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
19:07:03 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Issues/Actions:" taken up [from MichaelC]
19:07:05 <MichaelC> agenda+ ISSUE-486 (All) Differences in accessible name computation
19:07:07 <MichaelC> between spec and uaig.
19:07:09 <MichaelC> agenda+ ISSUE-616:  (All) Simulated click event triggered by keyevent.
19:07:11 <MichaelC> agenda+ ACTION-1175 (David) we are in a holding pattern on this.
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19:07:45 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Bryan_Garaventa
19:07:45 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa; got it
19:08:09 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
19:08:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
19:08:10 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:08:10 <Zakim> 2. ACTION-1255 (Cynthia) Look into toggle patterns and how that [from MichaelC]
19:08:12 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:08:12 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-1255 (Cynthia) Look into toggle patterns and how that" taken up [from MichaelC]
19:08:19 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:08:29 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
19:08:29 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
19:08:32 <clown> action-1255?
19:08:32 <trackbot> action-1255 -- Cynthia Shelly to Look into toggle patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. -- due 2013-10-15 -- OPEN
19:08:32 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
19:09:40 <janina> cyns: No progress yet
19:10:43 <janina> cyns: Will do by Friday
19:10:58 <janina> cyns: Requires a bit of research, will take it up now ...
19:11:32 <janina> zakim, next item
19:11:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ISSUE-612 (David) Review ia2/atk rule in group position. Should" taken up [from MichaelC]
19:11:36 <clown> issue-612?
19:11:36 <trackbot> issue-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position. should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain. see uaig: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position and test case 69: https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes -- open
19:11:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
19:12:12 <janina> db: Still waiting on feedback from Alex, expected in the office Wednesday
19:12:17 <janina> db: Will finish by Friday
19:12:27 <janina> clown: Relates to several current problem test cases
19:13:01 <janina> db: Definitely an edge case ...
19:14:00 <janina> zakim, next item
19:14:00 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ACTION-1262 (All)  Review edits." taken up [from MichaelC]
19:14:03 <clown> action-1261?
19:14:03 <trackbot> action-1261 -- Janina Sajka to Review atag last call number four -- due 2013-09-18 -- CLOSED
19:14:03 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1261
19:14:21 <clown> acton-1262
19:14:27 <clown> action-1262?
19:14:27 <trackbot> action-1262 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update 4.1. focus states and events table to clarify differences between platforms and dom/desktop/at focus. http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table -- due 2013-09-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
19:14:28 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1262
19:14:48 <clown> http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
19:16:17 <janina> clown: Annotated this. Hopefully, a bit clearer
19:17:21 <janina> clown: Any objections?
19:18:28 <janina> db: OK
19:18:41 <janina> s/OK/+1/
19:19:09 <janina> cyns: Can live with
19:19:18 <janina> [no objections]
19:19:32 <janina> cyns: We need to work on getting ARIA 2.0 outside the browser ...
19:20:05 <janina> zakim, next item
19:20:05 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ACTION-1269 (All)  Review edits." taken up [from MichaelC]
19:20:17 <clown> action-1269?
19:20:17 <trackbot> action-1269 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Prefix bullet 2 of #keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant with "for platforms that expose an accessibility focus separately from the keyboard focus," -- due 2013-10-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
19:20:17 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1269
19:21:03 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant
19:22:22 <janina> clown: James asked to add the scoping clause
19:22:53 <janina> rich: What does that do to the user on the Mac?
19:23:00 <janina> clown: Know on Win and Lin ...
19:23:40 <janina> db: Believe Mac moving dom focus somehow
19:23:48 <janina> db: +1
19:24:31 <janina> cyns: +1
19:24:52 <janina> [no objections]
19:25:08 <janina> zakim, next item
19:25:08 <Zakim> agendum 6. "UAIG testable statements (All):" taken up [from MichaelC]
19:25:27 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#User_Agent_Implementation_Guide_Testable_Statements
19:26:43 <janina> mc: Colon separates statement from expected results ...
19:27:07 <janina> mc: @@ means we didn't know what to do when we created this over a year ago ...
19:28:56 <janina> mc: Need DB's help to get this done
19:29:02 <janina> db: Need Joseph's help
19:29:15 <janina> mc: Some may require platform specific expertise
19:29:32 <janina> db: We need to fill all these?
19:29:53 <janina> mc: Yes, if normative statement. If determined statement not normative, or changed then not.
19:30:33 <janina> mc: Not all need testable statements, perhaps half need, but some of those may need more than one testable statement
19:30:41 <janina> mc: Estimating 20 more
19:32:26 <janina> db: Believe I can at least provide meta answer of which I can help with by next meeting
19:33:24 <janina> mc: Probably only 1 or 2 specific to MSAA platforms
19:33:30 <janina> cyns: Can squeeze that in
19:35:22 <janina> clown: Doesn't seem any one person can figure which belong to which platform ... So need individuals to look for their own
19:35:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> dr. smith: Oh the pain, the pain
19:44:19 <janina> [negotiation on who can do what by when mindful of the looming publication deadline]
19:46:15 <janina> rich: How do we know which ones need work?
19:46:21 <janina> mc: @@ need statement
19:46:25 <janina> mc: ## are for me
19:46:46 <janina> rich: There are some blank @@
19:47:00 <janina> mc: Coresponds to a bullet, we did not note what might be needed
19:47:59 <janina> mc: It may be that some of these @@'s are already covered, or OBE
19:49:32 <clown> I count 10 @@s
19:51:49 <clown> action:  Cynthia to go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result.  Making a test file where missing would help.
19:51:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1275 - Go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result.  making a test file where missing would help. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-10-22].
19:51:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> AXTable
19:51:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> <nil>
19:51:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> 'table'
19:52:07 <clown> action:  David to go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result.  Making a test file where missing would help.
19:52:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1276 - Go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result.  making a test file where missing would help. [on David Bolter - due 2013-10-22].
19:52:24 <davidb> (i won't have time to make test files)
19:52:33 <clown> action:  James Craig to go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result.  Making a test file where missing would help.
19:52:33 <trackbot> 'James' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., jcraig, jhawkins2, jnurthen).
19:52:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> ROLE_SYSTEM_TABLE
19:52:44 <clown> action:  jcraig to go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result.  Making a test file where missing would help.
19:52:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1277 - Go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result.  making a test file where missing would help. [on James Craig - due 2013-10-22].
19:56:59 <janina> zakim, next topic
19:57:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next topic', janina
19:57:07 <janina> zakim, next topic
19:57:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next topic', janina
19:57:13 <janina> zakim, next item
19:57:13 <Zakim> agendum 7. "ACTION-1175/ISSUE-564 (David) Status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in" taken up [from MichaelC]
19:57:15 <clown> ACTION-1175?
19:57:15 <trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to Status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due 2013-03-18 -- OPEN
19:57:15 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
19:57:28 <clown> issue-564?
19:57:28 <trackbot> issue-564 -- ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT is not used role="heading" -- open
19:57:28 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/564
19:59:12 <janina> clown: Do we have a test case for this issue?
20:04:42 <janina> [discussion on various ways that heading levels are (and are not) handled]
20:05:14 <davidb> it is past the hour
20:06:39 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
20:07:51 <janina> zakim, bye
20:07:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.415.624.aaaa, Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly
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20:07:55 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
20:07:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/15-aapi-minutes.html janina
20:08:42 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
20:09:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/15-aapi-minutes.html clown
20:14:55 <clown> https://www.flyporter.com/Flight/Tickets?culture=en-CA
20:21:30 <clown> richardschwerdtfeger:  what time is the a11y implementation guide coordination meeting now?
20:21:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> let me check with tamii
20:21:53 <clown> it keeps changing.
20:22:34 <richardschwerdtfeger> yeah, well this last time was because I forgot to tell my admin that I had to pick up someone at the airport. … my fault
20:22:34 <janina> Rich, there are other implications, i.e. Jason Kiss would be 7AM, and unsure of Shane's availability\
20:22:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> Friday 1pm central time
20:22:53 <janina> Rich, Also we were supposed to make this a public PF invite to stay clean on W3C process
20:23:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> yanina just set up a PF call for that time on Friday and we will use the PF irc channel, etc.
20:23:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> let tammi know the call-in and IRC logistics for the call.
20:24:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> can we just use the PF channel?
20:24:35 <janina> Yeah, we can do anything like that, but we're just wobbly on date and time. You just wrote Friday. Did you mean that?
20:24:39 <clown> Friday now?  Let me check my calendar...
20:24:57 <janina> Friday == Saturday in New Zealand
20:26:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> I am not sure how we can pull another rabbit out of the hat
20:27:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> I will be out all next week
20:29:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> you want to push it until the week I get back?
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