IRC log of pf on 2013-10-14
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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- "WAI_PF" matches WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM, and WAI_PFWG(HTML A11Y)9:00AM, trackbot
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- Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 14 October 2013
- 13:58:08 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- meeting: make log public
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- RRSAgent: make log public
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- chair: Rich
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- meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
- 13:59:59 [MichaelC]
- zakim, this is aria
- 13:59:59 [Zakim]
- ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM
- 14:01:01 [Zakim]
- +??P24
- 14:01:43 [janina]
- zakim, ??P24 is me
- 14:01:43 [Zakim]
- +janina; got it
- 14:02:03 [MichaelC]
- Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
- 14:02:18 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 14:02:50 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ipcaller is Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- +Rich_Schwerdtfeger; got it
- 14:04:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Oct/0015.html
- 14:04:12 [MichaelC]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Oct/0015.html
- 14:04:40 [MichaelC]
- regrets: Jon_Gunderson
- 14:07:18 [janina]
- scribe: janina
- 14:07:34 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 14:07:34 [Zakim]
- I see nothing on the agenda
- 14:07:46 [janina]
- topic: UAIG
- 14:08:34 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=2
- 14:09:03 [janina]
- rich: Saw event sequencing problems with tests 85, 86 & 87
- 14:09:19 [janina]
- rich: Suggest we move these to "should"
- 14:09:42 [janina]
- michael: Were these tests where James wanted Safari excluded?
- 14:10:01 [janina]
- rich: State changes follows selection change on these
- 14:10:14 [janina]
- s/changes/change/
- 14:11:42 [janina]
- rich: And on 69 we have owns of an owns, etc
- 14:11:50 [janina]
- rich: Not real world
- 14:12:41 [janina]
- rich: 69 & 71
- 14:12:56 [janina]
- rich: 70 passes
- 14:15:36 [janina]
- michael: 71 seems contrived; 69 is similar conceptual to another
- 14:18:03 [janina]
- michael: Does seem to reflect how we expected ARIA-Owns to work
- 14:19:12 [janina]
- michael: A strange abstraction ...
- 14:19:51 [janina]
- michael: So, we're testing pos and set ...
- 14:20:27 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not necessary to set this attribute, as the user agent can automatically calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given moment, this property is needed to provide an explicit indication of an element's position.
- 14:20:42 [MichaelC]
- s/pos and set/posinset/
- 14:22:39 [janina]
- michael: So, if in doc only via ARIA-Owns, its not part of the structure?
- 14:22:41 [janina]
- rich: yes
- 14:27:10 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
- 14:27:50 [MichaelC]
- http://www.w3.org/2013/10/08-aapi-minutes#item01
- 14:30:24 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- EVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item, but arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcements
- 14:30:44 [janina]
- rich: Instead, say:
- 14:30:58 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- EVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item. User agents SHOULD arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcements
- 14:31:44 [janina]
- rich: Above msaa, here's at-spi
- 14:31:51 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- ATK/ATSPI currently:
- 14:31:53 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- object::selection_changed but arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcement
- 14:32:06 [janina]
- rich: could be
- 14:32:20 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- object::selection_changed. User agents SHOULD arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcement
- 14:33:06 [janina]
- michael: I'm OK
- 14:34:00 [MichaelC]
- action: clown to Add RFC2119 SHOULD statements to UAIG #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement
- 14:34:00 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1273 - Add rfc2119 should statements to uaig #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-10-21].
- 14:34:31 [MichaelC]
- action-1273: For example, ¨EVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item, but arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcements¨ becomes ¨EVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item. User agents SHOULD arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcements¨
- 14:34:31 [trackbot]
- Notes added to action-1273 Add rfc2119 should statements to uaig #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement.
- 14:35:11 [MichaelC]
- action-1273: For example, ¨object::selection_changed but arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcement¨ becomes ¨object::selection_changed. User agents SHOULD arrange events so state change does not occur on focused item, to avoid extra selection change announcement¨
- 14:35:11 [trackbot]
- Notes added to action-1273 Add rfc2119 should statements to uaig #mapping_events_selection regard event arrangement.
- 14:35:41 [MichaelC]
- action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before
- 14:35:41 [trackbot]
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- 14:35:57 [MichaelC]
- action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before
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- 14:36:00 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- EVENT_OBJECT_SELECTION then EVENT_OBJECT_STATECHANGE on newly focused item.
- 14:36:11 [MichaelC]
- action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before
- 14:36:11 [trackbot]
- Error adding a comment to: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
- 14:36:56 [MichaelC]
- action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before
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- 14:38:00 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- object::selection_changed then object:state-changed
- 14:39:37 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Accessibility/AT-APIs/AT-SPI/Events
- 14:39:56 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- object:selection-changed
- 14:40:21 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- object:selection-changed then object:state-changed
- 14:40:53 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/atspi/adoc/atspi-events.html
- 14:41:53 [MichaelC]
- action-1273: note that the wording is confusing because conditions against the action are explained after the action rather than before
- 14:41:53 [trackbot]
- Error adding a comment to: could not connect to Tracker. Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
- 14:45:31 [janina]
- topic: incomplete test cases
- 14:45:31 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=2
- 14:47:07 [janina]
- michael: still 19 cases without test files
- 14:47:28 [janina]
- michael: jg was to fill in additional testable statements
- 14:47:41 [janina]
- michael: jg's unable to do soon, i looked at these friday
- 14:47:48 [janina]
- michael: see fewer gaps than i thought
- 14:48:23 [janina]
- michael Suggest we walk this through UAIG call Tuesday
- 14:49:58 [janina]
- michael: 40 & 41 are ones I didn't know what to do re test files
- 14:50:50 [janina]
- rich: just to tab-index = 0, -1, etc
- 14:55:12 [janina]
- michael: test case creation we should move to uaig call group ...
- 14:55:20 [janina]
- michael: starting email to clown
- 15:02:12 [MichaelC]
- Testable statements still needed for UAIG: look for @@ in http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#User_Agent_Implementation_Guide_Testable_Statements
- 15:03:54 [MichaelC]
- some of the @@ are information we need to fill in based on work done in UAIG since these were written
- 15:04:23 [MichaelC]
- some are cross references to existing tests that just need to be linked
- 15:05:05 [MichaelC]
- MC to change those to ## so they´re not confused with the ones that need to be examined
- 15:14:39 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/14-pf-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were janina, Michael_Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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